Trade ideas with tanking teams to get better this year and long term.

[nickagneta]

Get DeJounte Murray. It is OK to overpay. We should move on from the triumvirate of Smart, Schroder and Richardson. They are all admirable players, but they don't quite get us there in terms of creating the right offensive flow and they aren't plus shooters either. Murray is better than any of them.

He doesn't bring better shooting, but he doesn't make it worse. What it does give you is even better defense, plus a big boost in transition pace and passing, which we desperately need. He can score well enough to be a quality 3rd option. He's used to coaching discipline. He's probably capable of getting a little better too. Hopefully we get the same sort of effect Chicago got with Lonzo Ball.

Any assets left can focus on getting a power forward or another passer or shooter. Maybe get a pick in the next draft. Any young guys still here can play.

I love the idea of getting Murray, but I think Pops loves the kid and sees him as a long term future part. Not sure he would be available.

[Who]

I meant more: I don't see Grant or Pascal as a compelling fit on this team. We have long wings with iso tendencies and iffy shooting.

I'd rather not acquire another 'star' who fits that bill.

Agreed. We need shooting, ball-handling and playmaking. These guys do not provide enough of those needed skills.

[gouki88]

I'm all for any move that gets us JV. Have been calling for him to be traded for for years!

[GreenlyGreeny]

Love the idea of trading for JV, who’s still only 29. Wish there was a way we could land him and a pass-first PG. If the Pels would take Schröder, Horford and picks for JV, it’s a no-brainer. Then focus this off-season on somehow adding a pass-first PG. Perhaps we get lucky and Murray demands a trade, and we can get him for Smart, Timelord and picks. This could be a championship team with the another veteran (TPE) PG and another veteran 4/5 (TPE or MLE):

Murray
Brown/Richardson
Tatum/Nesmith
G. Williams
Valančiūnas

[nickagneta]

Love the idea of trading for JV, who’s still only 29. Wish there was a way we could land him and a pass-first PG. If the Pels would take Schröder, Horford and picks for JV, it’s a no-brainer. Then focus this off-season on somehow adding a pass-first PG. Perhaps we get lucky and Murray demands a trade, and we can get him for Smart, Timelord and picks. This could be a championship team with the another veteran (TPE) PG and another veteran 4/5 (TPE or MLE):

Murray
Brown/Richardson
Tatum/Nesmith
G. Williams
Valančiūnas

If you read the thread, you would see that because Val signed an extension, he can't be traded until October 22 of 2022.

[todd_days_41]

I have to go back to a Houston trade idea I had. Houston should be tanking. They have a few older guys that don't make sense being on that roster.

Wall, Gordon, Theis and to a lesser degree Wood aren't on the Houston timeline. For a tanking team, their payroll is kinda high.

So does this make sense:

The large TPE and a 2nd rounder

For

Wood

while simultaneously trading

Horford, Richardson and Hernangomez plus cash

For

Wall

I know, I know Wall's contract is awful and it puts the team in a rough place financially and he might be another "looking for his points" type guy, but he would be by far the best PG on this team and a real third scoring threat. Trading for Wall and relieving the Rox of that contract also means you don't have to add 1st round picks to get Wood. It also makes Schröder more easy to move on from because you know we can't re-sign him for next year and kinda have to move him. But now you have a good replacement for him.

Or should Brad be looking to get Gordon and/or Theis and/Wood rather than Wall.

Why not drop Wall and find a trade that still fits?

BOS trades: Smart, Schroder
BOS receives: Wood, Looney (or Knox)

HOU trades: Wood
HOU receives: Moody, Looney (or Knox), 2022 1st from GSW, 2023 1st from NYK

GSW trades: Moody, Looney, 2022 1st
GSW receives: Smart

NYK trades: Knox, 2023 1st (likely from Dallas, tho they have a few options)
NYK receives: Schroder

Cs cash out on DS, and finally move Smart to a team that's had interest in him before (and a good one at that... always good reputationally with other players). They give up no picks.

Knicks should have the money to sign Schroder in the offseason. Thibs impatiently trades for a good guard now only giving up a guy stuck to his bench and one of his many 1sts, which he has no patience to wait for anyway.

GSW goes all in this year. HOU gets a good prospect, a decent young player (in either Knox or Looney), and two first round picks for Wood.

Well, first off, I was trying to keep things simple. 3 and 4 team trades are much easier to pull off in the off-season than they are in season. Second, I wanted to keep Smart and have Wall be a PG that Smart can play alongside of and make up for his less than great defensive capabilities. Third, I was trying to keep a point guard on this team. Whether you realized it or not, your trade proposal leaves this team with Pritchard as it's only PG. I think that's a very bad idea for that reason.

Gotcha.

And I realize it, and I’m ok with it for half a season. Id rather have Wood than Smart, Schroeder, or both.

And besides — your boy JB is a PG now!

By the way, I remain supportive of your Wall / Wood idea. I wonder whether that package is enough to swing it though. Depends on how cheap HOU’s ownership is.

And by the way, Richardson cant be traded for quite some time, I believe.

[nickagneta]

I have to go back to a Houston trade idea I had. Houston should be tanking. They have a few older guys that don't make sense being on that roster.

Wall, Gordon, Theis and to a lesser degree Wood aren't on the Houston timeline. For a tanking team, their payroll is kinda high.

So does this make sense:

The large TPE and a 2nd rounder

For

Wood

while simultaneously trading

Horford, Richardson and Hernangomez plus cash

For

Wall

I know, I know Wall's contract is awful and it puts the team in a rough place financially and he might be another "looking for his points" type guy, but he would be by far the best PG on this team and a real third scoring threat. Trading for Wall and relieving the Rox of that contract also means you don't have to add 1st round picks to get Wood. It also makes Schröder more easy to move on from because you know we can't re-sign him for next year and kinda have to move him. But now you have a good replacement for him.

Or should Brad be looking to get Gordon and/or Theis and/Wood rather than Wall.

Why not drop Wall and find a trade that still fits?

BOS trades: Smart, Schroder
BOS receives: Wood, Looney (or Knox)

HOU trades: Wood
HOU receives: Moody, Looney (or Knox), 2022 1st from GSW, 2023 1st from NYK

GSW trades: Moody, Looney, 2022 1st
GSW receives: Smart

NYK trades: Knox, 2023 1st (likely from Dallas, tho they have a few options)
NYK receives: Schroder

Cs cash out on DS, and finally move Smart to a team that's had interest in him before (and a good one at that... always good reputationally with other players). They give up no picks.

Knicks should have the money to sign Schroder in the offseason. Thibs impatiently trades for a good guard now only giving up a guy stuck to his bench and one of his many 1sts, which he has no patience to wait for anyway.

GSW goes all in this year. HOU gets a good prospect, a decent young player (in either Knox or Looney), and two first round picks for Wood.

Well, first off, I was trying to keep things simple. 3 and 4 team trades are much easier to pull off in the off-season than they are in season. Second, I wanted to keep Smart and have Wall be a PG that Smart can play alongside of and make up for his less than great defensive capabilities. Third, I was trying to keep a point guard on this team. Whether you realized it or not, your trade proposal leaves this team with Pritchard as it's only PG. I think that's a very bad idea for that reason.

Gotcha.

And I realize it, and I’m ok with it for half a season. Id rather have Wood than Smart, Schroeder, or both.

And besides — your boy JB is a PG now!

By the way, I remain supportive of your Wall / Wood idea. I wonder whether that package is enough to swing it though. Depends on how cheap HOU’s ownership is.

And by the way, Richardson cant be traded for quite some time, I believe.

January 7th he can be traded, per Spotrac. That's before the trade deadline, which is when I thought a trade like that could go down.

[todd_days_41]

I have to go back to a Houston trade idea I had. Houston should be tanking. They have a few older guys that don't make sense being on that roster.

Wall, Gordon, Theis and to a lesser degree Wood aren't on the Houston timeline. For a tanking team, their payroll is kinda high.

So does this make sense:

The large TPE and a 2nd rounder

For

Wood

while simultaneously trading

Horford, Richardson and Hernangomez plus cash

For

Wall

I know, I know Wall's contract is awful and it puts the team in a rough place financially and he might be another "looking for his points" type guy, but he would be by far the best PG on this team and a real third scoring threat. Trading for Wall and relieving the Rox of that contract also means you don't have to add 1st round picks to get Wood. It also makes Schröder more easy to move on from because you know we can't re-sign him for next year and kinda have to move him. But now you have a good replacement for him.

Or should Brad be looking to get Gordon and/or Theis and/Wood rather than Wall.

Why not drop Wall and find a trade that still fits?

BOS trades: Smart, Schroder
BOS receives: Wood, Looney (or Knox)

HOU trades: Wood
HOU receives: Moody, Looney (or Knox), 2022 1st from GSW, 2023 1st from NYK

GSW trades: Moody, Looney, 2022 1st
GSW receives: Smart

NYK trades: Knox, 2023 1st (likely from Dallas, tho they have a few options)
NYK receives: Schroder

Cs cash out on DS, and finally move Smart to a team that's had interest in him before (and a good one at that... always good reputationally with other players). They give up no picks.

Knicks should have the money to sign Schroder in the offseason. Thibs impatiently trades for a good guard now only giving up a guy stuck to his bench and one of his many 1sts, which he has no patience to wait for anyway.

GSW goes all in this year. HOU gets a good prospect, a decent young player (in either Knox or Looney), and two first round picks for Wood.

Well, first off, I was trying to keep things simple. 3 and 4 team trades are much easier to pull off in the off-season than they are in season. Second, I wanted to keep Smart and have Wall be a PG that Smart can play alongside of and make up for his less than great defensive capabilities. Third, I was trying to keep a point guard on this team. Whether you realized it or not, your trade proposal leaves this team with Pritchard as it's only PG. I think that's a very bad idea for that reason.

Gotcha.

And I realize it, and I’m ok with it for half a season. Id rather have Wood than Smart, Schroeder, or both.

And besides — your boy JB is a PG now!

By the way, I remain supportive of your Wall / Wood idea. I wonder whether that package is enough to swing it though. Depends on how cheap HOU’s ownership is.

And by the way, Richardson cant be traded for quite some time, I believe.

January 7th he can be traded, per Spotrac. That's before the trade deadline, which is when I thought a trade like that could go down.

FANSPO says Feb 19th. Wonder which is right?

I also wonder if Stevens would make such a bold move, particularly early in his tenure. Let's hope so -- I like that he actively shook up the roster over the summer when fresh to the job, but generally I view him as likely conservative by nature.