Should the NBA Track/Credit Hockey Assists?

[GreenlyGreeny]

In an effort to provide an incentive for increased team play, should the NBA officially track hockey assists and credit them as “secondary assists” (so we could talk of 1A and 2A, assists and secondary assists respectively)? Additional thoughts?

[Roy H.]

They track them on NBA.com, I think?

I don’t think it’s necessary beyond that.

[GreenlyGreeny]

They track them on NBA.com, I think?

I don’t think it’s necessary beyond that.

Have never seen that here: https://www.nba.com/stats/

So where? Personally think more credit should be given for the pass before the pass that led to a basket. Curry would clearly be the league leader, I suspect…

[Roy H.]

They track them on NBA.com, I think?

I don’t think it’s necessary beyond that.

Have never seen that here: https://www.nba.com/stats/

So where? Personally think more credit should be given for the pass before the pass that led to a basket. Curry would clearly be the league leader, I suspect…

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing/?sort=SECONDARY_AST&dir=1

[Kiorrik]

• Hockey assists
• Screens set (on ball/off ball)
• Drives
• Touches
• Passes
• Cuts without the ball

I'm sure teams keep track of these right?

They'd be so good to see for each player. You could make pass% with that, and a couple other cool advanced stats.

[indeedproceed]

• Hockey assists
• Screens set (on ball/off ball)
• Drives
• Touches
• Passes
• Cuts without the ball

I'm sure teams keep track of these right?

They'd be so good to see for each player. You could make pass% with that, and a couple other cool advanced stats.

I know for the fact that the Mavericks used to track this and I'm sure still do. Like all of those.

[nickagneta]

Funny to see that for all the crap the Jays get for not passing, that both are in the top 50 for secondary assists per game.

[ozgod]

In an effort to provide an incentive for increased team play, should the NBA officially track hockey assists and credit them as “secondary assists” (so we could talk of 1A and 2A, assists and secondary assists respectively)? Additional thoughts?

I'm sure Second Spectrum tracks much more stats than what we fans have access to, to provide data to all the quant nerds in front offices these days...their packages are too expensive for the average fan though, and may not even be available.

https://www.secondspectrum.com/index.html

[Kiorrik]

• Hockey assists
• Screens set (on ball/off ball)
• Drives
• Touches
• Passes
• Cuts without the ball

I'm sure teams keep track of these right?

They'd be so good to see for each player. You could make pass% with that, and a couple other cool advanced stats.

I know for the fact that the Mavericks used to track this and I'm sure still do. Like all of those.

Yeah, there must be more too. My brain's failing to conjure more than those at the moment, but I know there's more.

[Roy H.]

• Hockey assists
• Screens set (on ball/off ball)
• Drives
• Touches
• Passes
• Cuts without the ball

I'm sure teams keep track of these right?

They'd be so good to see for each player. You could make pass% with that, and a couple other cool advanced stats.

Some of these are available to the public via NBA.com tracking data.  Secondary assists, passes, touches, time of possession, etc.

For instance, touches:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?sort=TOUCHES&dir=1

There, we learn that Tatum ranks 40th in the NBA in time of possession.  That suggests he’s certainly not a ball hog, particularly for a #1 option.  He’s got the ball for a total of 4.5 minutes per game.

There’s a lot of cool stuff.  It also includes some really interesting defensive data.  It’s not as inclusive as the Synergy stuff we used to have access to, but it is still quite informative.

[Birdman]

No

[Kiorrik]

No

ok

[Kiorrik]

• Hockey assists
• Screens set (on ball/off ball)
• Drives
• Touches
• Passes
• Cuts without the ball

I'm sure teams keep track of these right?

They'd be so good to see for each player. You could make pass% with that, and a couple other cool advanced stats.

Some of these are available to the public via NBA.com tracking data.  Secondary assists, passes, touches, time of possession, etc.

For instance, touches:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?sort=TOUCHES&dir=1

There, we learn that Tatum ranks 40th in the NBA in time of possession.  That suggests he’s certainly not a ball hog, particularly for a #1 option.  He’s got the ball for a total of 4.5 minutes per game.

There’s a lot of cool stuff.  It also includes some really interesting defensive data.  It’s not as inclusive as the Synergy stuff we used to have access to, but it is still quite informative.

TP ma dude. That's awesome. Didn't know of this at all. Defs gonna check this more often now. This can debunk a lot of narratives.

[Roy H.]

• Hockey assists
• Screens set (on ball/off ball)
• Drives
• Touches
• Passes
• Cuts without the ball

I'm sure teams keep track of these right?

They'd be so good to see for each player. You could make pass% with that, and a couple other cool advanced stats.

Some of these are available to the public via NBA.com tracking data.  Secondary assists, passes, touches, time of possession, etc.

For instance, touches:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?sort=TOUCHES&dir=1

There, we learn that Tatum ranks 40th in the NBA in time of possession.  That suggests he’s certainly not a ball hog, particularly for a #1 option.  He’s got the ball for a total of 4.5 minutes per game.

There’s a lot of cool stuff.  It also includes some really interesting defensive data.  It’s not as inclusive as the Synergy stuff we used to have access to, but it is still quite informative.

TP ma dude. That's awesome. Didn't know of this at all. Defs gonna check this more often now. This can debunk a lot of narratives.

It's amazing.  You can did into this stuff for days.

If Brad is reading, he should feel free to provide CelticsStrong with a Synergy subscription.  We don't want anything proprietary, just the basic stuff.  That's a rabbit hole that is very, very fun to go down.

[Kiorrik]

• Hockey assists
• Screens set (on ball/off ball)
• Drives
• Touches
• Passes
• Cuts without the ball

I'm sure teams keep track of these right?

They'd be so good to see for each player. You could make pass% with that, and a couple other cool advanced stats.

Some of these are available to the public via NBA.com tracking data.  Secondary assists, passes, touches, time of possession, etc.

For instance, touches:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches/?sort=TOUCHES&dir=1

There, we learn that Tatum ranks 40th in the NBA in time of possession.  That suggests he’s certainly not a ball hog, particularly for a #1 option.  He’s got the ball for a total of 4.5 minutes per game.

There’s a lot of cool stuff.  It also includes some really interesting defensive data.  It’s not as inclusive as the Synergy stuff we used to have access to, but it is still quite informative.

TP ma dude. That's awesome. Didn't know of this at all. Defs gonna check this more often now. This can debunk a lot of narratives.

It's amazing.  You can did into this stuff for days.

If Brad is reading, he should feel free to provide CelticsStrong with a Synergy subscription.  We don't want anything proprietary, just the basic stuff.  That's a rabbit hole that is very, very fun to go down.

I work as a UX researcher/consultant and data (qualitative & quantitative) just gets me off :')

It's so much fun to hold all these values and look at them through different perspectives.

Also, our goal is normally to prove our assumptions wrong. That's our outset. Not to prove ourselves right.

So much fun.