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Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2021, 11:55:38 AM »

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Our defense has looked good. When Udoka started scrapping the predictable switch-everything scheme, I thought our defense improved. There are still lineups that are bad but really, it’s sometimes because of personnel.

It’s the offense which has looked bad, or maybe predictable. We also don’t look good executing down the stretch of games either too, and this is probably the glaring difference vs the much more polished CBS.

Smart (for the most part) has also looked more reined in.
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Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2021, 01:13:32 PM »

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  Ime let smart get away with downing teammates publicly. I’m not sure Brad would even have let that go. Maybe he would. They both let Smart go to far .

Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2021, 01:14:58 PM »

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Our D does look better, true

Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2021, 02:25:22 PM »

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I think Ime is a better communicator, keeping it real, kind of guy than Brad. 

Brad may have been a better motivator, especially for reclamation projects.

Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2021, 03:33:12 PM »

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I think the use of the bench is an issue. The short rotation increases fatigue, injuries and is demonstrated in the fourth quarter and overtime production.

I think coaches should be working the bench now to gain confidence in the bench players and to get a better sense of who can produce and handle the pressure.

You shorten the rotation later in the season.
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Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2021, 04:30:40 PM »

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  Ime let smart get away with downing teammates publicly. I’m not sure Brad would even have let that go. Maybe he would. They both let Smart go to far .

lol Brad was no disciplinarian.

Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2021, 05:34:35 PM »

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Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2021, 01:07:42 AM »

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I think the use of the bench is an issue. The short rotation increases fatigue, injuries and is demonstrated in the fourth quarter and overtime production.

I think coaches should be working the bench now to gain confidence in the bench players and to get a better sense of who can produce and handle the pressure.

You shorten the rotation later in the season.

I think because he didn't go to the bench for so long they've lost all confidence and now that he's throwing them it they are disjointed and out of sync.
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Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2021, 01:22:02 AM »

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I think the use of the bench is an issue. The short rotation increases fatigue, injuries and is demonstrated in the fourth quarter and overtime production.

I think coaches should be working the bench now to gain confidence in the bench players and to get a better sense of who can produce and handle the pressure.

You shorten the rotation later in the season.

I think because he didn't go to the bench for so long they've lost all confidence and now that he's throwing them it they are disjointed and out of sync.

I'm fine with not playing the bench. The defense and effort has to be better, and prefer Udoka whipping the starters into shape and shaking off some of the bad habits from the previous season.

Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2021, 06:20:37 AM »

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On rotations I just wonder how much practice and film study effects things. We can all call for certain rotations but maybe these guys are just terrible in practice and aren't hitting shots so they get no game time. I feel BS may be effecting this as GM.

Then on handling the players, I feel it takes a few months to understand people so have to go in with kid gloves. I feel Ime is definitely going to be more aggressive with guys once he figures out how they respond. Give that time.

I'd really want change but it's going to take time. I kind of wish this was a development year and Tatum and Brown got 30 shots each. I want the opposite of what Smart wants. Let the Jays grow and throw in the kids more. Less involved mediocre vets. Trade those guys. Either be a lottery team or get one of the young celtics to blossom. You increase upside regardless. Would have been great without the extension to Josh and Smart.

Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2021, 06:51:07 AM »

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Agree ATOS are terrible.

I would also like to point out that it was Marcus Smart's call out that made us better defensively, not Ime.

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On rotations I just wonder how much practice and film study effects things. We can all call for certain rotations but maybe these guys are just terrible in practice and aren't hitting shots so they get no game time. I feel BS may be effecting this as GM.

Some of them are terrible in games, too.   We've missed on too many draft picks and that is on Ainge.    Some of these other teams have good depth and we don't

To be honest I am absolutely mystified why we extended some of the guys on the team.    Other teams cut their losses when a bench stinks.   If they do not show promise after three years they should be toast.  I know some of it cost control and the like, but we are seeing the fruits on their cost containment with a weak bench

Grant proved me wrong, and I still think he has his flaws, and big ones but he worked his tail off and made himself a better player.   But what is up with some of these other guys?
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Re: How is Udoka different from Stevens?
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2021, 08:28:04 AM »

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The biggest issue I have is that Udoka hasn't adjusted the offense enough at times to get Tatum some easy buckets early to get him going and help his confidence.   


With that said, if the Celtics players would just start hitting open 3 point shots at an average pace, this teams offense would be in a better place (average at best)