Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)

[gouki88]

While we are clearly title contenders now and into the future, if Brown is unwilling to sign an extension this off-season I would prefer to see us deal him now rather than later, officially telling everyone this is Tatum’s team. I’m particularly intrigued by the fact the Spurs may be in a similar situation with Murray this off-season, who may pull a Kawhi and say he wants to go to a big market title contender. If that opportunity arises, this would be a truly masterful series of moves in a 3-team agreement that makes each team better considering the situation with JB/Murray:

TOR In: Brown, Prichard, Richardson, 2024 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st (SAS agree to remove the swap, we send it unprotected)

SAS In: Van Fleet, Nesmith, 2027 BOS 1st swap (unprotected)

BOS In: Murray, Barnes, Birch

The deal obviously needs to come with Murray agreeing to a max contract, and it probably would require a wink and nod that we’ll subsequently use our TPE and 2022 second round pick to take on McDermott from SAS.

Extend Grant Williams, bring back Horford, sign a ring-chasing vet at the MLE, bring in Begarin, and we are set for a dynasty-run where Tatum is top banana and would never walk from all the winning/potential to be the highest paid player in the NBA in his 30s by sticking with Boston:

Murray/White
Smart/White
Barnes/G. Williams
Tatum/Horford
Timelord/Theis

Bench: McDermott, Ring-chasing MLE 1/2, Birch, Stauskas (or ring-chasing vet at the minimum), Begarin

Absolutely no reason for any team involved to do this. None whatsoever. Both Brown and Murray are contracted through to 2024. Not a concern.

If Brown signals he’s not interested in re-signing and being second fiddle to Tatum, but is willing to sign a big contract to be the man in Canada…and Murray signals he’s not interested in re-signing with San Antonio and wants to be with Ime in Boston, competing for a title…and Van Fleet wants to return stateside and is willing to be the guy in San Antonio….that’s called three very big reasons for all three teams to engage, particularly if we’re willing to take on Birch’s and McDermott’s dollars, which we are uniquely positioned to do. All the draft picks are to secure Barnes, a Scottie who could truly become the Scottie Pippen to Tatum’s Jordan…

San Antonio would be absolutely insane to trade Murray for Van Vleet and a first. Toronto aren't giving up on Barnes. Boston aren't giving up even MORE first round picks.

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Do you think Toronto would take JB for Barnes, Van Fleet and us agreeing to next take Birch with a TPE? I’d go for that. My preference is now for JB to re-sign, but I’m terrified of him leaving us for LA or Miami, and we get nothing.

Siakam would be moved well before Barnes. Barnes is too good - he is still only 20, provides 15/8/3, and plays really solid versatile defence. He is also cost-controlled for a long time.

[nickagneta]

#JKJB

One would think that with the unbelievable chemistry this team has forged, the historically great defense that has developed and the incredible dominance it has shown, along with both Brown and Tatum playing off each other and creating very well for others that this "Jaylen Brown must be traded because of(insert completely incredulous, made up, fairy tale reason here)__________" nonsense would have ended, but apparently I have to point to this again.

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[GreenlyGreeny]

You’re looking at fan number one of JKJB*

* - If he is willing to-resign this off-season. If he’s not, we gotta move fast to not get burned.

[GreenlyGreeny]

While we are clearly title contenders now and into the future, if Brown is unwilling to sign an extension this off-season I would prefer to see us deal him now rather than later, officially telling everyone this is Tatum’s team. I’m particularly intrigued by the fact the Spurs may be in a similar situation with Murray this off-season, who may pull a Kawhi and say he wants to go to a big market title contender. If that opportunity arises, this would be a truly masterful series of moves in a 3-team agreement that makes each team better considering the situation with JB/Murray:

TOR In: Brown, Prichard, Richardson, 2024 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st (SAS agree to remove the swap, we send it unprotected)

SAS In: Van Fleet, Nesmith, 2027 BOS 1st swap (unprotected)

BOS In: Murray, Barnes, Birch

The deal obviously needs to come with Murray agreeing to a max contract, and it probably would require a wink and nod that we’ll subsequently use our TPE and 2022 second round pick to take on McDermott from SAS.

Extend Grant Williams, bring back Horford, sign a ring-chasing vet at the MLE, bring in Begarin, and we are set for a dynasty-run where Tatum is top banana and would never walk from all the winning/potential to be the highest paid player in the NBA in his 30s by sticking with Boston:

Murray/White
Smart/White
Barnes/G. Williams
Tatum/Horford
Timelord/Theis

Bench: McDermott, Ring-chasing MLE 1/2, Birch, Stauskas (or ring-chasing vet at the minimum), Begarin

Absolutely no reason for any team involved to do this. None whatsoever. Both Brown and Murray are contracted through to 2024. Not a concern.

If Brown signals he’s not interested in re-signing and being second fiddle to Tatum, but is willing to sign a big contract to be the man in Canada…and Murray signals he’s not interested in re-signing with San Antonio and wants to be with Ime in Boston, competing for a title…and Van Fleet wants to return stateside and is willing to be the guy in San Antonio….that’s called three very big reasons for all three teams to engage, particularly if we’re willing to take on Birch’s and McDermott’s dollars, which we are uniquely positioned to do. All the draft picks are to secure Barnes, a Scottie who could truly become the Scottie Pippen to Tatum’s Jordan…

San Antonio would be absolutely insane to trade Murray for Van Vleet and a first. Toronto aren't giving up on Barnes. Boston aren't giving up even MORE first round picks.

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Do you think Toronto would take JB for Barnes, Van Fleet and us agreeing to next take Birch with a TPE? I’d go for that. My preference is now for JB to re-sign, but I’m terrified of him leaving us for LA or Miami, and we get nothing.

Siakam would be moved well before Barnes. Barnes is too good - he is still only 20, provides 15/8/3, and plays really solid versatile defence. He is also cost-controlled for a long time.

How many picks do you think we’d need to add to secure Scottie?

[nickagneta]

You’re looking at fan number one of JKJB*

* - If he is willing to-resign this off-season. If he’s not, we gotta move fast to not get burned.

The person that derided JKJB. The person that asked somewhat condescending questions to the "JKJB crowd". The person that made endless trade Jaylen Brown threads to the point that he had to be given his own thread to keep them all in one thread so as not to take up the Latest Discussions" board with all his trade proposals.

That person is suddenly is saying he is JKJB just minutes after posting another trade Jaylen Brown idea?

I'm not buying that. Peddle that shhhhstuff elsewhere.

[GreenlyGreeny]

You’re looking at fan number one of JKJB*

* - If he is willing to-resign this off-season. If he’s not, we gotta move fast to not get burned.

The person that derided JKJB. The person that asked somewhat condescending questions to the "JKJB crowd". The person that made endless trade Jaylen Brown threads to the point that he had to be given his own thread to keep them all in one thread so as not to take up the Latest Discussions" board with all his trade proposals.

That person is suddenly is saying he is JKJB just minutes after posting another trade Jaylen Brown idea?

I'm not buying that. Peddle that shhhhstuff elsewhere.

Winning cures all. We are winning like champions because we’re finally playing the right way with epic defense, good facilitation/ball movement and hustling. I’m loving things now. I want to not change a thing, frankly, other than add pieces.

How about this deal: If JB signs an extension this off-season, I will never again post a JB trade idea? If JB re-signs, my trade ideas will re-focus on using the TPE and picks to add that last piece to push us forward.

[RJD1974]

You’re looking at fan number one of JKJB*

* - If he is willing to-resign this off-season. If he’s not, we gotta move fast to not get burned.

The person that derided JKJB. The person that asked somewhat condescending questions to the "JKJB crowd". The person that made endless trade Jaylen Brown threads to the point that he had to be given his own thread to keep them all in one thread so as not to take up the Latest Discussions" board with all his trade proposals.

That person is suddenly is saying he is JKJB just minutes after posting another trade Jaylen Brown idea?

I'm not buying that. Peddle that shhhhstuff elsewhere.

Winning cures all. We are winning like champions because we’re finally playing the right way with epic defense, good facilitation/ball movement and hustling. I’m loving things now. I want to not change a thing, frankly, other than add pieces.

How about this deal: If JB signs an extension this off-season, I will never again post a JB trade idea? If JB re-signs, my trade ideas will re-focus on using the TPE and picks to add that last piece to push us forward.

Er, Jaylen's signed through 2024. As far as I know, he's not eligible to sign an extension until NEXT offseason. Someone can tell me if I'm wrong...

[GreenlyGreeny]

Let’s re-sign JB and add two more pieces to get us to a dynasty:

BOS In: McConnell (good defender/passer)
IND In: Nesmith, Pritchard, 2022 BOS 2nd

BOS In: Luguentz Dort (great defender, potential all-star)
OKC In: TPE, 2024 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 ORL 2nd

Leaves us with the following if we bring back Horford, which is a no-brainer given how all we do is win when Horford is on our team (2016-2019 and 2021-present)…way we’re going, we could win it all and Horford is guaranteed:

Smart/McConnell
Brown/White/Begarin
Tatum/Dort/MLE 3-4
Horford/G. William
Timelord/Theis

Talk about a killer team! Re-sign Dort, move Dort to start at the 2 and Brown at the 3, extend Grant, move Tatum back to the 4 in 2023, extend Horford with a hometown discount to finish his career off the bench, and we’re ready for a dynasty!

[nickagneta]

Let’s re-sign JB and add two more pieces to get us to a dynasty:

BOS In: McConnell (good defender/passer)
IND In: Nesmith, Pritchard, 2022 BOS 2nd

BOS In: Luguentz Dort (great defender, potential all-star)
OKC In: TPE, 2024 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 ORL 2nd

Leaves us with the following if we bring back Horford, which is a no-brainer given how all we do is win when Horford is on our team (2016-2019 and 2021-present)…way we’re going, we could win it all and Horford is guaranteed:

Smart/McConnell
Brown/White/Begarin
Tatum/Dort/MLE 3-4
Horford/G. William
Timelord/Theis

Talk about a killer team! Re-sign Dort, move Dort to start at the 2 and Brown at the 3, extend Grant, move Tatum back to the 4 in 2023, extend Horford with a hometown discount to finish his career off the bench, and we’re ready for a dynasty!

Boston could only extended Brown for 4 years past his current contract when there is only one year left on his current contract.

Hear's the thing though. Brown will be worth a max contract on his next deal and may lose money by extending because he is on a current bargain deal and we don't know how much a max contract will be worth and there is a limit to how much of a raise he can get if extended. To get him on that max deal Boston might have to let him play out of his current deal and sign him using Bird rights to that max contract.

Either way, Brown can not be extended this summer, I think. At least that's how I read what Larry Coon rights on the subject at cbafaq.com, section 58.

[Surferdad]

Let’s re-sign JB and add two more pieces to get us to a dynasty:

BOS In: McConnell (good defender/passer)
IND In: Nesmith, Pritchard, 2022 BOS 2nd

BOS In: Luguentz Dort (great defender, potential all-star)
OKC In: TPE, 2024 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 ORL 2nd

Leaves us with the following if we bring back Horford, which is a no-brainer given how all we do is win when Horford is on our team (2016-2019 and 2021-present)…way we’re going, we could win it all and Horford is guaranteed:

Smart/McConnell
Brown/White/Begarin
Tatum/Dort/MLE 3-4
Horford/G. William
Timelord/Theis

Talk about a killer team! Re-sign Dort, move Dort to start at the 2 and Brown at the 3, extend Grant, move Tatum back to the 4 in 2023, extend Horford with a hometown discount to finish his career off the bench, and we’re ready for a dynasty!

Dort is not even in your starting lineup, yet he's the key to a dynasty?

[Celtics2021]

Let’s re-sign JB and add two more pieces to get us to a dynasty:

BOS In: McConnell (good defender/passer)
IND In: Nesmith, Pritchard, 2022 BOS 2nd

BOS In: Luguentz Dort (great defender, potential all-star)
OKC In: TPE, 2024 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 ORL 2nd

Leaves us with the following if we bring back Horford, which is a no-brainer given how all we do is win when Horford is on our team (2016-2019 and 2021-present)…way we’re going, we could win it all and Horford is guaranteed:

Smart/McConnell
Brown/White/Begarin
Tatum/Dort/MLE 3-4
Horford/G. William
Timelord/Theis

Talk about a killer team! Re-sign Dort, move Dort to start at the 2 and Brown at the 3, extend Grant, move Tatum back to the 4 in 2023, extend Horford with a hometown discount to finish his career off the bench, and we’re ready for a dynasty!

Boston could only extended Brown for 4 years past his current contract when there is only one year left on his current contract.

Hear's the thing though. Brown will be worth a max contract on his next deal and may lose money by extending because he is on a current bargain deal and we don't know how much a max contract will be worth and there is a limit to how much of a raise he can get if extended. To get him on that max deal Boston might have to let him play out of his current deal and sign him using Bird rights to that max contract.

Either way, Brown can not be extended this summer, I think. At least that's how I read what Larry Coon rights on the subject at cbafaq.com, section 58.

Brown can be extended this summer, but it wouldn’t take effect until after his current deal ended in two seasons, so it wouldn’t make too much sense for either party.  I believe it could only be for two additional years as well, but maybe it’s three.

However, in the summer of 2023 he could be given an extension that starts at $38.2 million in 2024, and could last four more years.  This would be very close to a max deal, depending how much the cap raises over the next few off-seasons.  It would likely be higher than the max salary he could get if he actually hit free agency in 2023, but less than what the projected max would be in 2024.  However, with max (8%) raises on top of that, the total 4-year extension could wind up being greater than what he’d get in free agency if he didn’t sign with the Celtics, as raises are capped at 5%.

In short, I don’t think the team would be concerned if he weren’t extended this summer, and I wouldn’t really expect more than informal conversations about a deal between them and Jaylen.  However, in 2023 he could be presented with an extension that is very close to a max offer.  If he turned that down, the Celtics might be more concerned about his long-term intentions.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Let’s re-sign JB and add two more pieces to get us to a dynasty:

BOS In: McConnell (good defender/passer)
IND In: Nesmith, Pritchard, 2022 BOS 2nd

BOS In: Luguentz Dort (great defender, potential all-star)
OKC In: TPE, 2024 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 ORL 2nd

Leaves us with the following if we bring back Horford, which is a no-brainer given how all we do is win when Horford is on our team (2016-2019 and 2021-present)…way we’re going, we could win it all and Horford is guaranteed:

Smart/McConnell
Brown/White/Begarin
Tatum/Dort/MLE 3-4
Horford/G. William
Timelord/Theis

Talk about a killer team! Re-sign Dort, move Dort to start at the 2 and Brown at the 3, extend Grant, move Tatum back to the 4 in 2023, extend Horford with a hometown discount to finish his career off the bench, and we’re ready for a dynasty!

Dort is not even in your starting lineup, yet he's the key to a dynasty?

He would be making $2 million on a bargain-bin contract next season at age 23. Of course we’d have to start Horford at nearly $30 million and selling jerseys/tickets, but I’d wanna see this lineup get the most minutes:

Smart
Dort
Brown
Tatum
Timelord

Come 2023, we’re hopefully looking at this with Begarin resembling a 2016-2017 Jaylen:

Smart/McConnell
Dort/White
Brown/Begarin/MLE 3-4
Tatum/G. Williams
Timelord/Horford/Theis

Bench: 2023 1st round pick, ring-chasing vet

[GreenlyGreeny]

Watching Jokic tonight and the fact Jokic has not signed an extension with Denver has me pondering whether he’s looking around and hoping to up his name by joining one of the premier clubs. If LeBron is the biggest player on the planet, and AD is the most popular big in the league, what’s the opposite of going to the Lakers? In addition, which city in America is closest to Jokic’s home country?

So if Jokic did force his way here like AD forced his way to LA (why not us?), this gets it done and probably makes us unstoppable barring injuries:

BOS In: Jokic
DEN In: JB, Nesmith, Stauskas, 2023 1st swap, 2024 1st, 2025 1st swap, 2026 1st

This is quite comparable to the haul New Orleans received from LA when dealing AD.

Obviously we can presume Jokic signs a max extension after being traded here. We pickup Horford to go all-in on a title run (or Horford is guaranteed if we’re trying to defend our title). If Pritchard grows, we’ll be set for many years to come with this rotation:

1: Smart/Pritchard/Ring-chasing vet at minimum (Rondo? Rubio?)

2: White/Pritchard/Begarin

3: Tatum/GWill/MLE 3-2 (Ideas?)

4: Jokic/Theis/Ring-chasing vet either at the min. or via TPE (Jeff Green?)

5: Timelord/Horford/2022 2nd round pick

[Surferdad]

Watching Jokic tonight and the fact Jokic has not signed an extension with Denver has me pondering whether he’s looking around and hoping to up his name by joining one of the premier clubs. If LeBron is the biggest player on the planet, and AD is the most popular big in the league, what’s the opposite of going to the Lakers? In addition, which city in America is closest to Jokic’s home country?

So if Jokic did force his way here like AD forced his way to LA (why not us?), this gets it done and probably makes us unstoppable barring injuries:

BOS In: Jokic
DEN In: JB, Nesmith, Stauskas, 2023 1st swap, 2024 1st, 2025 1st swap, 2026 1st

This is quite comparable to the haul New Orleans received from LA when dealing AD.

Obviously we can presume Jokic signs a max extension after being traded here. We pickup Horford to go all-in on a title run (or Horford is guaranteed if we’re trying to defend our title). If Pritchard grows, we’ll be set for many years to come with this rotation:

1: Smart/Pritchard/Ring-chasing vet at minimum (Rondo? Rubio?)

2: White/Pritchard/Begarin

3: Tatum/GWill/MLE 3-2 (Ideas?)

4: Jokic/Theis/Ring-chasing vet either at the min. or via TPE (Jeff Green?)

5: Timelord/Horford/2022 2nd round pick

I'm actually not opposed to trading Brown if you get back a guy like Jokic.  However, I don't think Derrek White is a starting SG on a championship squad.  Need to do something more at that position.  just me...

[GreenlyGreeny]

My take on the Lakers (and it’s a good idea to keep an eye on our wounded enemy): They are stuck with Westbrick, probably the worst contract in the history of sports that is going to pay almost $50 million for a season, and LeBron is close to 40, so it may be time to rebuild by getting assets for AD while he still fetches assets, and sending LeBron back to Cleveland (especially if LeBron expresses a desire to surpass Kareem as a Cavalier). These might be the best moves available:

LAL In: Sexton, Love, 2022 Draft Day 1st, 2023 1st
CLE In: LeBron, Horton-Tucker

Sexton and two firsts allows both LeBron and LA to save face. Cleveland makes the under-the-table promise to do whatever it takes to draft Bronny. End of the line for LeBron.

Now who to move AD to…they want the best return possible, ideally with him being shipped to the East so he only has two opportunities per year to embarrass LA, so perhaps a deal with MJ gets it done. Perhaps something like this:

LAL In: Hayward, Richards (He’s Filler to Make the $’s work), 2022 Draft Day 1st, 2023 1st, 2025 1st, 2026 1st swap, 2027 1st
CHA In: AD

LAL helps Charlotte get Hayward off the books and make Charlotte legit contenders if AD stays healthy, so in return they get four first-rounders and a 2026 swap. Quite the haul. The bet is on AD’s health. There’s probably no other way for MJ to get that second superstar he needs to get to the next level…

Obviously these moves give LA a lot of picks, and once Westbrick and Love come off the books in a year, they can try to sign Jokic and then another max free agent after Hayward comes off the books in 2024. We all know they rebuild via free agency, so there you go…if not Jokic in 2023, perhaps Harden, Kyrie, or Beal. Surely Showtime will attract one of those bozos in Kyrie/Harden, or Beal. 2024 may end up being headlined by Kawhi, our very own JB, and/or Lillard. Say the Lakers got Jokic, JB (and/or Kawhi), all of those picks and either retained Sexton or turned him into assets. They could easily be in title contention by 2025…

Also think they’ll opt for a college coach to lead the rebuild. Probably throw a ton of money at Tony Bennett or someone like that.

Thoughts?