Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)

[GreenlyGreeny]

If the KD price is too high and we’re confident that adding Brogdon will secure JB for us long-term ( 🤞 ), I’d go all-in with one final move:

BOS In: Markkanen
CLE In: BOS TPE, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 ORL 2nd, 2023 HOU/DAL/MIA 2nd, 2025 BOS 1st (try for the swap instead)

Cleveland has a glut of bigs in Allen, Mobley, Love and Markkanen, so we’re helping them get salary cap relief and some great picks. In turn, we’ve got a guy who can backup Horford/Timelord and eventually replace Horford in the starting lineup (or at least compete with Grant for that role). And he’s only 25 on a cost-controlled contract for three years.

Smart/Brogdon
JB/D-White
JT/Batman
Horford/Gallinari
Timelord/Markannen

Ten-deep with a ring-chasing 3 added for depth. Rest of the bench consists of Pritchard, Hauser, Kornet, and Davison. When healthy, this team can beat anybody.

#Banner18-LFG

[gouki88]

I doubt Boston wants to add a bench piece who cannot defend for that cost.

[GreenlyGreeny]

I doubt Boston wants to add a bench piece who cannot defend for that cost.

Maybe with the right coaching he can become serviceable on defense. We need one more big for that TPE, and hopefully someone who can eventually replace Horford as our starting 4. Who would you recommend?

[GreenlyGreeny]

How about Jaden McDaniels, Darius Bazley, or Marvin Bagley III?

[gouki88]

I doubt Boston wants to add a bench piece who cannot defend for that cost.

Maybe with the right coaching he can become serviceable on defense. We need one more big for that TPE, and hopefully someone who can eventually replace Horford as our starting 4. Who would you recommend?

Wendell Carter Jr. is my ideal target. But I'm not sure the ownership wants to spend all that money.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Another Saturday, another all-in dream if Kawhi is willing to make the same commitment KG made in 2007:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: KD, Kyrie
BKN In: JB, PG-13, Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser, BOS 2024 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st swap, 2027 BOS 1st, (3) 2023 BOS 2nds

* Swaps are top 5 protected and do not convey if we get a top 5 pick.

And as part of the deal this happens right beforehand:

BOS In: Whichever Clipper under $17M who is friends (or closest) with Kawhi (or who Kawhi would want us to bring over)
LAC In: BOS TPE, 2029 BOS 2nd

[slamtheking]

Another Saturday, another all-in dream if Kawhi is willing to make the same commitment KG made in 2007:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: KD
BKN In: JB, Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser, BOS 2024 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st swap, 2027 BOS 1st, 2029 BOS 1st swap, (3) 2023 BOS 2nds

* 2024/2026 swaps top 1 protected; 2029 swap top 3 protected.

And as part of the deal this happens right beforehand:

BOS In: Whichever Clipper under $17M who is friends with Kawhi
LAC In: BOS TPE, 2029 BOS 2nd

just no.  this thread just won't die.

no trade for Kawhi should be considered until seeing him hit the court after all that time off.  I have little doubt he's not going to prove he's worth half of what you're trying to give away to get him.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Another Saturday, another all-in dream if Kawhi is willing to make the same commitment KG made in 2007:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: KD
BKN In: JB, Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser, BOS 2024 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st swap, 2027 BOS 1st, 2029 BOS 1st swap, (3) 2023 BOS 2nds

* 2024/2026 swaps top 1 protected; 2029 swap top 3 protected.

And as part of the deal this happens right beforehand:

BOS In: Whichever Clipper under $17M who is friends with Kawhi
LAC In: BOS TPE, 2029 BOS 2nd

just no.  this thread just won't die.

no trade for Kawhi should be considered until seeing him hit the court after all that time off.

No risk, no reward. There’s a much bigger risk JB walks and we have to deal him as an expiring or lose him for nothing than there is a risk of Kawhi, an NBA 75 team player who’s barely 30, not coming back as good as ever considering his game relies on BBIQ, strength and shooting. Pair him with Udoka, who was with him at the start of his career and mentored him into two-time DPOY? Mind blown.

The rumor is he may be malingering because he’s PO’d at the Clippers medical staff for not being forthright about risks, etc., spending his own money to make sure he’s getting the best medical advice and care possible. As we all know, Boston has the best hospital and some of the best doctors in the world.
 

I have little doubt he's not going to prove he's worth half of what you're trying to give away to get him.

I have little doubt he’s spent millions of his own to get himself back into 2019 shape. He’s just quiet and I suspect he’s quietly trying to find how he can load up the rings. If he is, he knows teaming up with JT would be a dream. Unlike KD, Kawhi is still the same age KG was when we brought him in, but Kawhi’s game relies on BBIQ/shooting just like TB12’s game relies on football IQ and passing accuracy. Mark my words: Kawhi will still be an elite NBA talent at age 39-40, possibly beyond.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Let’s say Kawhi is pals with Marcus Morris, and we pull off that all-in deal for Kawhi and TPE for Morris. Look at the rotations available and imagine the defensive intensity with improved shooting via Brogdon and Kawhi:

Brogdon/D-White/Smart
Smart/D-White/JT
Kawhi/G. Williams/Morris
JT/Morris/Gallinari
Timelord/Horford/Gallinari

Bench: Ring-chasing vet PG, ring-chasing 2/3, ring-chasing 5, Davison and/or Begarin

Meanwhile, the Clippers get to out-compete the Lakers with the KD/Kyrie show. The Nets get two really good all-stars in JB and PG-13, some rotation pieces and a variety of picks.

This is win-win-win and finally settles the KD/Kyrie drama and our concerns about JB walking in two years.

[gouki88]

Another Saturday, another all-in dream if Kawhi is willing to make the same commitment KG made in 2007:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: KD, Kyrie
BKN In: JB, PG-13, Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser, BOS 2024 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st swap, 2027 BOS 1st, (3) 2023 BOS 2nds

* Swaps are top 5 protected and do not convey if we get a top 5 pick.

And as part of the deal this happens right beforehand:

BOS In: Whichever Clipper under $17M who is friends with Kawhi
LAC In: BOS TPE, 2029 BOS 2nd

Awful

[GreenlyGreeny]

Another Saturday, another all-in dream if Kawhi is willing to make the same commitment KG made in 2007:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: KD, Kyrie
BKN In: JB, PG-13, Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser, BOS 2024 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st swap, 2027 BOS 1st, (3) 2023 BOS 2nds

* Swaps are top 5 protected and do not convey if we get a top 5 pick.

And as part of the deal this happens right beforehand:

BOS In: Whichever Clipper under $17M who is friends with Kawhi
LAC In: BOS TPE, 2029 BOS 2nd

Awful

We would basically have taken our off-season to turn Pritchard/Theis into Brogdon/Morris/Gallinari, and resolve the JB conundrum by getting the real Kawhi, not the wannabe Kawhi that is JB. Yeah, it costs some draft capital, but who cares? Who cares about picks/swaps when we’re THE dynasty of the 2020s because of this last big play for a top five player who’s barely 30, Udoka’s boy and a 2-time DPOY being paired with the reigning DPOY. That’s a former DPOY guard and former DPOY wing and a future DPOY center all on the same team 🤩 and they’re paired with the elite shooting of JT/Brogdon, not to mention Kawhi is an elite shooter in his own right. This is literally the perfect play if it’s available. We even keep Grant because Kawhi’s just a tiny bit cheaper than KD, whom we cannot get without giving up JB and Grant (and KD’s got 3-4 years on Kawhi, so I still prefer Kawhi over KD). Udoka’s even the guy who made Kawhi into what he quickly became. Udoka and Kawhi are literally reuniting.

Kawhi is the guy to pair with JT. Kawhi/JT/Timelord/Smart/Brogdon = Dynasty.

[nickagneta]

Another Saturday, another all-in dream if Kawhi is willing to make the same commitment KG made in 2007:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: KD, Kyrie
BKN In: JB, PG-13, Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser, BOS 2024 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st swap, 2027 BOS 1st, (3) 2023 BOS 2nds

* Swaps are top 5 protected and do not convey if we get a top 5 pick.

And as part of the deal this happens right beforehand:

BOS In: Whichever Clipper under $17M who is friends with Kawhi
LAC In: BOS TPE, 2029 BOS 2nd

Awful

We would basically have taken our off-season to turn Pritchard/Theis into Brogdon/Morris/Gallinari, and resolve the JB conundrum by getting the real Kawhi, not the wannabe Kawhi that is JB. Yeah, it costs some draft capital, but who cares? Who cares about picks/swaps when we’re THE dynasty of the 2020s because of this last big play for a top five player who’s barely 30, Udoka’s boy and a 2-time DPOY being paired with the reigning DPOY. That’s a former DPOY guard and former DPOY wing and a future DPOY center all on the same team 🤩 and they’re paired with the elite shooting of JT/Brogdon, not to mention Kawhi is an elite shooter in his own right. This is literally the perfect play if it’s available. We even keep Grant because Kawhi’s just a tiny bit cheaper than KD, whom we cannot get without giving up JB and Grant (and KD’s got 3-4 years on Kawhi, so I still prefer Kawhi over KD). Udoka’s even the guy who made Kawhi into what he quickly became. Udoka and Kawhi are literally reuniting.

Kawhi is the guy to pair with JT. Kawhi/JT/Timelord/Smart/Brogdon = Dynasty.

What JB conundrum? The only guy anywhere claiming a JB conundrum because JB's contract is running out after two more seasons is you and Jermaine Wiggins, who is a terrible source that isn't even plugged in to the NBA world because he is an ex-NFL player.

If Brown gives management a heads up he wants to be somewhere else or will be leaving after his contract, which he hasn't, you trade him at the deadline in 2024.

Your whole logic for these trades is Jaylen leaving in two years because he what....liked a tweet that Boston fans don't value him that much. Well, he is right. They don't. But management and the coaching staff love the guy and Jaylen hasn't shown any dissatisfaction with the team at all.

#JKJB

Please stop. Just keep Jaylen Brown.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Another Saturday, another all-in dream if Kawhi is willing to make the same commitment KG made in 2007:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: KD, Kyrie
BKN In: JB, PG-13, Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser, BOS 2024 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st swap, 2027 BOS 1st, (3) 2023 BOS 2nds

* Swaps are top 5 protected and do not convey if we get a top 5 pick.

And as part of the deal this happens right beforehand:

BOS In: Whichever Clipper under $17M who is friends with Kawhi
LAC In: BOS TPE, 2029 BOS 2nd

Awful

We would basically have taken our off-season to turn Pritchard/Theis into Brogdon/Morris/Gallinari, and resolve the JB conundrum by getting the real Kawhi, not the wannabe Kawhi that is JB. Yeah, it costs some draft capital, but who cares? Who cares about picks/swaps when we’re THE dynasty of the 2020s because of this last big play for a top five player who’s barely 30, Udoka’s boy and a 2-time DPOY being paired with the reigning DPOY. That’s a former DPOY guard and former DPOY wing and a future DPOY center all on the same team 🤩 and they’re paired with the elite shooting of JT/Brogdon, not to mention Kawhi is an elite shooter in his own right. This is literally the perfect play if it’s available. We even keep Grant because Kawhi’s just a tiny bit cheaper than KD, whom we cannot get without giving up JB and Grant (and KD’s got 3-4 years on Kawhi, so I still prefer Kawhi over KD). Udoka’s even the guy who made Kawhi into what he quickly became. Udoka and Kawhi are literally reuniting.

Kawhi is the guy to pair with JT. Kawhi/JT/Timelord/Smart/Brogdon = Dynasty.

What JB conundrum? The only guy anywhere claiming a JB conundrum because JB's contract is running out after two more seasons is you and Jermaine Wiggins, who is a terrible source that isn't even plugged in to the NBA world because he is an ex-NFL player.

If Brown gives management a heads up he wants to be somewhere else or will be leaving after his contract, which he hasn't, you trade him at the deadline in 2024.

Your whole logic for these trades is Jaylen leaving in two years because he what....liked a tweet that Boston fans don't value him that much. Well, he is right. They don't. But management and the coaching staff love the guy and Jaylen hasn't shown any dissatisfaction with the team at all.

#JKJB

Please stop. Just keep Jaylen Brown.

See all those rings in the signature below? You get those with Celtic Pride, not iso hero-ball nonsense. Kawhi has two rings with two separate teams where he was the top guy on both teams, which is a rarity in league history; especially for it to be done by dudes in their 20s. And he’s still barely 30.

We all saw what JB did in the Finals. We lost three in a row because we reverted back to that loser iso crap. And we all know who the ring-leader was of that. Right before game one and JB announces he’s partnering with Kanye on non basketball stuff? Fine, but why do that right before the Finals if all you’re focused on is winning rings?

This guy is not how we’re going to win rings and we are best off selling him high rather than low at the deadline in 2024. The KD/Kyrie circus has presented a unique and extremely rare opportunity to bring in a top five player just like we did in 2007. If we can turn JB, picks and bench players into Kawhi, we must do it. The reason is right in the signature below.

[nickagneta]

Another Saturday, another all-in dream if Kawhi is willing to make the same commitment KG made in 2007:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: KD, Kyrie
BKN In: JB, PG-13, Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser, BOS 2024 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st, 2026 BOS 1st swap, 2027 BOS 1st, (3) 2023 BOS 2nds

* Swaps are top 5 protected and do not convey if we get a top 5 pick.

And as part of the deal this happens right beforehand:

BOS In: Whichever Clipper under $17M who is friends with Kawhi
LAC In: BOS TPE, 2029 BOS 2nd

Awful

We would basically have taken our off-season to turn Pritchard/Theis into Brogdon/Morris/Gallinari, and resolve the JB conundrum by getting the real Kawhi, not the wannabe Kawhi that is JB. Yeah, it costs some draft capital, but who cares? Who cares about picks/swaps when we’re THE dynasty of the 2020s because of this last big play for a top five player who’s barely 30, Udoka’s boy and a 2-time DPOY being paired with the reigning DPOY. That’s a former DPOY guard and former DPOY wing and a future DPOY center all on the same team 🤩 and they’re paired with the elite shooting of JT/Brogdon, not to mention Kawhi is an elite shooter in his own right. This is literally the perfect play if it’s available. We even keep Grant because Kawhi’s just a tiny bit cheaper than KD, whom we cannot get without giving up JB and Grant (and KD’s got 3-4 years on Kawhi, so I still prefer Kawhi over KD). Udoka’s even the guy who made Kawhi into what he quickly became. Udoka and Kawhi are literally reuniting.

Kawhi is the guy to pair with JT. Kawhi/JT/Timelord/Smart/Brogdon = Dynasty.

What JB conundrum? The only guy anywhere claiming a JB conundrum because JB's contract is running out after two more seasons is you and Jermaine Wiggins, who is a terrible source that isn't even plugged in to the NBA world because he is an ex-NFL player.

If Brown gives management a heads up he wants to be somewhere else or will be leaving after his contract, which he hasn't, you trade him at the deadline in 2024.

Your whole logic for these trades is Jaylen leaving in two years because he what....liked a tweet that Boston fans don't value him that much. Well, he is right. They don't. But management and the coaching staff love the guy and Jaylen hasn't shown any dissatisfaction with the team at all.

#JKJB

Please stop. Just keep Jaylen Brown.

See all those rings in the signature below? You get those with Celtic Pride, not iso hero-ball nonsense. Kawhi has two rings with two separate teams where he was the top guy on both teams, which is a rarity in league history; especially for it to be done by dudes in their 20s. And he’s still barely 30.

We all saw what JB did in the Finals. We lost three in a row because we reverted back to that loser iso crap. And we all know who the ring-leader was of that. Right before game one and JB announces he’s partnering with Kanye on non basketball stuff? Fine, but why do that right before the Finals if all you’re focused on is winning rings?

This guy is not how we’re going to win rings and we are best off selling him high rather than low at the deadline in 2024. The KD/Kyrie circus has presented a unique and extremely rare opportunity to bring in a top five player just like we did in 2007. It we can turn JB, picks and bench players into Kawhi, we must do it. The reason is right in the signature below.

Brown was the team's best player in the Finals

[gouki88]

I wouldn't bother giving any more in-depth feedback to proposals such as those Nick.