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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1905 on: February 23, 2022, 10:08:03 PM »

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Kemba shut down for the rest of the season.

I'm glad we parted ways with Kemba and his albatross contract.

But what a bummer, hope he rediscovers his ways again. He looks like he's heading to another IT4 path.


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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1906 on: February 23, 2022, 10:12:48 PM »

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Lebron isn't leaving, it means Pelinka is gone and frankly, he should be.  He did a terrible job with the roster, though it seems a lot of that is ownership getting cheap.  I mean there is no reason they couldn't have re-signed Caruso, Drummond, and Schroder (even after acquiring Westbrook) or done a better job in trying to keep Gasol from retiring.  There is no reason they had to sign guys like Jordan to roster spots.  Even if Lebron pushed them towards Westbrook, the rest of the roster is a mess that was entirely avoidable.  And if the reports are true that they could have traded Westbrook, THT, and the 27 1st for Wall and Wood, but didn't do the trade to save money, that is just crazy town.  Wood would be fantastic for them and Wall can't be a worse fit than Westbrook is.  And Lebron obviously wanted them to do something like that and they ignored him then to save money.  That doesn't even account for them not including THT in the Lowry trade last year.  How much different does last post season go if they had Lowry on their team (who would almost certainly still be there).  When you hire an agent to run your team, you get this (the Knicks are a mess also - coincidence, I think not).  Pelinka is gone not Lebron.  That seems pretty obvious.

Are we really just gonna pretend all the moves were not tied to Lebron? They let a lot of the guys you mentioned go because Lebron wanted Jordan, Anthony,  and Rondo. They are his buddies and he always has liked former stars. They recently shared a story of how in Lebron's year in Cleveland they had him sign off on all the trades at the deadline. Lebron then hit a game winner and IT went to high five him and Lebron turned his back on him because he knew IT had already basically been traded. This is Lebron's career, which has been great. And if you want to say the GM should be fired for giving into Lebron that is fine, but this has been the case his entire career for everyone outside Pat Riley (and some think that is part of the reason he left there).

Also the reports were that Pelinka wanted Derozen and/or hield instead of Westbrook and Lebron demanded westbrook. Can you imagine how good the Lakers would be with both those guys. Demar might make first team all NBA.
There is no question the Lakers went for Westbrook because Lebron liked him, but Lebron also liked Caruso who they just didn't want to pay.  They could have paid Schroder and Drummond as well and still had room for guys like Carmelo.  So Pelinka listened to Lebron only some of the time and the times he did were the worst times to do so.  They also didn't make a trade at the deadline despite Lebron wanting them to.  All great players have significant influence over the teams they are on (the Nets didn't acquire or trade Harden without Durant's blessing, the Bucks didn't acquire Holiday without Giannis signing off, the Mavs traded the Zinger because he didn't get along with Luka, etc.), it is the GM's responsibility to make the decisions and Pelinka has been awful at making decisions.  Now maybe he really is hamstrung financially, but if the Lakers won't pay some extra luxury tax to make their team better, then something really is wrong with basketball.
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1907 on: February 23, 2022, 10:20:11 PM »

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Kemba shut down for the rest of the season.

Just saw that. He’s cooked.

I don't think he's cooked, he's still shooting 37% from three. He's just not a guy you can run your offense through anymore. I believe he can still give you a scoring pop off the bench and a positive voice in the locker room. I could see him ending up with Lakers this offseason.

The Knicks are under .500 and they’d rather him sit out for the rest of the year. His slightly above averaging shooting from 3pt doesn’t make up for his inability to play defense. It’s just like IT, both can shoot the ball, but that’s not enough.

I consider it a little closer to the Al/OKC thing last season. The team's going nowhere, he's a vet who wants to compete, no need to risk an injury. His salary going into next season is $9.1m. I think a team who feels pressured to do something but doesn't have an overflow of disposable assets will take a chance on him. The Lakers fit the bill.

This is the second time the Knicks have benched Kemba tho.  He was out of the rotation for about a month until Covid and Derek Rose’s injury necessitated playing him again.  Now they’re done with Covid and Rose is returning to action this week, so Kemba is shut down again.  This doesn’t feel like asset preservation; this is the Knicks think Kemba isn’t good enough to help them win.

Which isn't surprising because Thibs is defense first coach. They signed him for the feel good "hometown kid returns" story but it was a rocky fit from the outset. Management went all in on an offensive backcourt that completely clashed with it's coach's philosophy.

Again, I'm sure there will be at least one team that can talk themselves into "we don't need him for the regular season, only the playoffs. We can manage that" and chalking this up to Knicks doing Knicks things.

Knicks were reportedly shopping him hard and there wasn’t a team willing to add him for the playoffs.
At the deadline, he will be a name if bought out. I think the Knicks keep him into the off season.
Sometimes bad things happen to good people.

He’s not getting bought out.  The Knicks don’t want the dead money on the books next year and he isn’t giving up the $9 million owed that he has zero chance of earning in free agency next season.  That’s why it’s announced he gets to work out at home for the next few months.  If a buyout were an option, we wouldn’t hear this, since the buyout deadline is Monday.

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1908 on: February 23, 2022, 11:17:55 PM »

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Lebron isn't leaving, it means Pelinka is gone and frankly, he should be.  He did a terrible job with the roster, though it seems a lot of that is ownership getting cheap.  I mean there is no reason they couldn't have re-signed Caruso, Drummond, and Schroder (even after acquiring Westbrook) or done a better job in trying to keep Gasol from retiring.  There is no reason they had to sign guys like Jordan to roster spots.  Even if Lebron pushed them towards Westbrook, the rest of the roster is a mess that was entirely avoidable.  And if the reports are true that they could have traded Westbrook, THT, and the 27 1st for Wall and Wood, but didn't do the trade to save money, that is just crazy town.  Wood would be fantastic for them and Wall can't be a worse fit than Westbrook is.  And Lebron obviously wanted them to do something like that and they ignored him then to save money.  That doesn't even account for them not including THT in the Lowry trade last year.  How much different does last post season go if they had Lowry on their team (who would almost certainly still be there).  When you hire an agent to run your team, you get this (the Knicks are a mess also - coincidence, I think not).  Pelinka is gone not Lebron.  That seems pretty obvious.

Are we really just gonna pretend all the moves were not tied to Lebron? They let a lot of the guys you mentioned go because Lebron wanted Jordan, Anthony,  and Rondo. They are his buddies and he always has liked former stars. They recently shared a story of how in Lebron's year in Cleveland they had him sign off on all the trades at the deadline. Lebron then hit a game winner and IT went to high five him and Lebron turned his back on him because he knew IT had already basically been traded. This is Lebron's career, which has been great. And if you want to say the GM should be fired for giving into Lebron that is fine, but this has been the case his entire career for everyone outside Pat Riley (and some think that is part of the reason he left there).

Also the reports were that Pelinka wanted Derozen and/or hield instead of Westbrook and Lebron demanded westbrook. Can you imagine how good the Lakers would be with both those guys. Demar might make first team all NBA.
There is no question the Lakers went for Westbrook because Lebron liked him, but Lebron also liked Caruso who they just didn't want to pay.  They could have paid Schroder and Drummond as well and still had room for guys like Carmelo.  So Pelinka listened to Lebron only some of the time and the times he did were the worst times to do so.  They also didn't make a trade at the deadline despite Lebron wanting them to.  All great players have significant influence over the teams they are on (the Nets didn't acquire or trade Harden without Durant's blessing, the Bucks didn't acquire Holiday without Giannis signing off, the Mavs traded the Zinger because he didn't get along with Luka, etc.), it is the GM's responsibility to make the decisions and Pelinka has been awful at making decisions.  Now maybe he really is hamstrung financially, but if the Lakers won't pay some extra luxury tax to make their team better, then something really is wrong with basketball.

I think you are pretty probably correct that Lebron would have liked they kept Caruso. But the Drummond stuff and Schroeder stuff is pretty silly. Schroeder turned down an 84 million contract from Lakers (which would have been a really bad contract in retrospect). Drummond was not happy there and Lebron was happy to get Howard and Jordan back. They certainly brought in melo and rondo to appease Lebron. The one absolute disaster of a move was the Westbrook trade and Lebron pushed very hard for that by all accounts. As they just said on the NBA ringer show today Lebron with team moves is like a bad roofer that messes up the roof and then says “what are you gonna do to fix this roof, it’s all messed up.” Absolving Lebron from his role in this and ignoring the reality of what actually happened with Schroeder and Drummond is pretty classic Lebron fan stuff. It’s just a bit silly when all this stuff was so well documented.

Funnily enough when a fan asked Drummond to resign for the minimum in LA he responded “you drunk.” From how own Instagram account.
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1909 on: February 23, 2022, 11:32:18 PM »

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For all the criticism on Pelinka for not making trades at the deadline, another point of view may be that Pelinka saw no way any trades, including trades of picks, were going to do anything to help this team become a contender this year.

Pelinka may think that the window has closed and it's time to move Westbrook, Davis and Lebron and start over and the best way to do that was moving them in the off-season. Pelinka might be getting a bunch of criticism thrown his way, but doing the unthinkable and blowing it all up might just be the right thing to do and if it is, doing nothing at the deadline was the right move, especially given the complete lack of salary on the books next year other than Westbrook, Lebron and Davis.

Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1910 on: February 23, 2022, 11:51:50 PM »

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For all the criticism on Pelinka for not making trades at the deadline, another point of view may be that Pelinka saw no way any trades, including trades of picks, were going to do anything to help this team become a contender this year.

Pelinka may think that the window has closed and it's time to move Westbrook, Davis and Lebron and start over and the best way to do that was moving them in the off-season. Pelinka might be getting a bunch of criticism thrown his way, but doing the unthinkable and blowing it all up might just be the right thing to do and if it is, doing nothing at the deadline was the right move, especially given the complete lack of salary on the books next year other than Westbrook, Lebron and Davis.

Yeah for all the recent pouting from Lebron, does anyone actually think getting John wall in, who hasn’t played nba basketball for a year, gets the lakers past suns, warriors, bucks, healthy nets, 76ers? Heck I’m not even sure they would beat a team like the jazz or nuggets in a playoff series, especially given the current status of Davis and the fact their geriatric roster will have to play two games just to make the normal playoffs.

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« Reply #1911 on: February 23, 2022, 11:55:48 PM »

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Lebron isn't leaving, it means Pelinka is gone and frankly, he should be.  He did a terrible job with the roster, though it seems a lot of that is ownership getting cheap.  I mean there is no reason they couldn't have re-signed Caruso, Drummond, and Schroder (even after acquiring Westbrook) or done a better job in trying to keep Gasol from retiring.  There is no reason they had to sign guys like Jordan to roster spots.  Even if Lebron pushed them towards Westbrook, the rest of the roster is a mess that was entirely avoidable.  And if the reports are true that they could have traded Westbrook, THT, and the 27 1st for Wall and Wood, but didn't do the trade to save money, that is just crazy town.  Wood would be fantastic for them and Wall can't be a worse fit than Westbrook is.  And Lebron obviously wanted them to do something like that and they ignored him then to save money.  That doesn't even account for them not including THT in the Lowry trade last year.  How much different does last post season go if they had Lowry on their team (who would almost certainly still be there).  When you hire an agent to run your team, you get this (the Knicks are a mess also - coincidence, I think not).  Pelinka is gone not Lebron.  That seems pretty obvious.

Are we really just gonna pretend all the moves were not tied to Lebron? They let a lot of the guys you mentioned go because Lebron wanted Jordan, Anthony,  and Rondo. They are his buddies and he always has liked former stars. They recently shared a story of how in Lebron's year in Cleveland they had him sign off on all the trades at the deadline. Lebron then hit a game winner and IT went to high five him and Lebron turned his back on him because he knew IT had already basically been traded. This is Lebron's career, which has been great. And if you want to say the GM should be fired for giving into Lebron that is fine, but this has been the case his entire career for everyone outside Pat Riley (and some think that is part of the reason he left there).

Also the reports were that Pelinka wanted Derozen and/or hield instead of Westbrook and Lebron demanded westbrook. Can you imagine how good the Lakers would be with both those guys. Demar might make first team all NBA.
There is no question the Lakers went for Westbrook because Lebron liked him, but Lebron also liked Caruso who they just didn't want to pay.  They could have paid Schroder and Drummond as well and still had room for guys like Carmelo.  So Pelinka listened to Lebron only some of the time and the times he did were the worst times to do so.  They also didn't make a trade at the deadline despite Lebron wanting them to.  All great players have significant influence over the teams they are on (the Nets didn't acquire or trade Harden without Durant's blessing, the Bucks didn't acquire Holiday without Giannis signing off, the Mavs traded the Zinger because he didn't get along with Luka, etc.), it is the GM's responsibility to make the decisions and Pelinka has been awful at making decisions.  Now maybe he really is hamstrung financially, but if the Lakers won't pay some extra luxury tax to make their team better, then something really is wrong with basketball.

I think you are pretty probably correct that Lebron would have liked they kept Caruso. But the Drummond stuff and Schroeder stuff is pretty silly. Schroeder turned down an 84 million contract from Lakers (which would have been a really bad contract in retrospect). Drummond was not happy there and Lebron was happy to get Howard and Jordan back. They certainly brought in melo and rondo to appease Lebron. The one absolute disaster of a move was the Westbrook trade and Lebron pushed very hard for that by all accounts. As they just said on the NBA ringer show today Lebron with team moves is like a bad roofer that messes up the roof and then says “what are you gonna do to fix this roof, it’s all messed up.” Absolving Lebron from his role in this and ignoring the reality of what actually happened with Schroeder and Drummond is pretty classic Lebron fan stuff. It’s just a bit silly when all this stuff was so well documented.

Funnily enough when a fan asked Drummond to resign for the minimum in LA he responded “you drunk.” From how own Instagram account.
They didn't have to sign Drummond for the minimum though.  They easily could have brought him back with the Nunn contract (though for a year instead of 2).  As for Schroder, yeah he turned that big contract down, but they still could have brought him back on a 1 year contract for more money than the C's offered and again would have been a contract that would have given them trade fodder if nothing else.  And because he would have been re-signed he wouldn't have had the constraints this summer that he does with the C's tax payer MLE 1 year deal. 

Lebron pushed for Westbrook there is no question on that, but Pelinka could have said no, we are going to do Kuzma and Harrell for Hield and keep KCP.  Lebron was signed long term, he wasn't going anywhere.  And as we've seen, Pelinka has no problem telling Lebron no i.e. we aren't keeping Caruso, we aren't making any moves at the deadline, we aren't firing Vogel, etc.  The GM is the guy running the franchise, he has to be held accountable for the roster on the floor and the Lakers roster is terrible. 

How much different do the Lakers look, even with the Russ trade if they had Caruso, Schroder, Matthews (he could have been brought back in the 4 million range), and Drummond.  And they still could have signed Anthony and some of the other guys (they also could have kept Morris).  The Lakers have 3 max contracts, THT at around 10 million, Nunn (who hasn't played) at 5 million, and then a team full of minimum contracts.  They have limited draft picks to trade, they needed mid-tier salary to have flexibility and they just let all of the guys go that could have given them that mid-tier salary flexibility for absolutely no reason other than being cheap.  I mean it isn't like they just had to have all of these guys on the roster: Bazemore, Ellington, Johnson, Bradley, Ariza.  Obviously Monk and Anthony worked out well and Howard has been ok, but they already moved on from Rondo and Jordan is just terrible as well.  Swap some of those guys out for mid-tier contract AND better players and maybe the Lakers wouldn't have one of the worst rosters in the league outside of their top two guys who've barely played together.  And Pelinka is the guy that put that team together.  He absolutely should get fired for that disaster. 

Like here is a team they could have had to start the year even doing the Westbrook trade

Starters - Westbrook, Caruso, James, Davis, Drummond
Rotation - Schroder, Morris, THT, Anthony, Monk, Howard
Deep Bench - Rondo, Jordan, Matthews, Reaves

That 15 man team is way better than the crap they have and would have had a lot more salary flexibility for them to make moves at the deadline.  And that is with still doing the Westbrook trade.  Had they kept KCP and acquired Hield, they'd have been even better, and still would have had room for guys like Rondo and Jordan to help keep James happy. 
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1912 on: February 23, 2022, 11:56:31 PM »

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For all the criticism on Pelinka for not making trades at the deadline, another point of view may be that Pelinka saw no way any trades, including trades of picks, were going to do anything to help this team become a contender this year.

Pelinka may think that the window has closed and it's time to move Westbrook, Davis and Lebron and start over and the best way to do that was moving them in the off-season. Pelinka might be getting a bunch of criticism thrown his way, but doing the unthinkable and blowing it all up might just be the right thing to do and if it is, doing nothing at the deadline was the right move, especially given the complete lack of salary on the books next year other than Westbrook, Lebron and Davis.

Yeah for all the recent pouting from Lebron, does anyone actually think getting John wall in, who hasn’t played nba basketball for a year, gets the lakers past suns, warriors, bucks, healthy nets, 76ers? Heck I’m not even sure they would beat a team like the jazz or nuggets in a playoff series, especially given the current status of Davis and the fact their geriatric roster will have to play two games just to make the normal playoffs.
Wall, no, but Wood, maybe if James and Davis were actually healthy.  Wood is the perfect compliment to Davis and James. 
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Re: NBA Season 2021-22
« Reply #1913 on: February 24, 2022, 01:44:44 AM »

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Lebron isn't leaving, it means Pelinka is gone and frankly, he should be.  He did a terrible job with the roster, though it seems a lot of that is ownership getting cheap.  I mean there is no reason they couldn't have re-signed Caruso, Drummond, and Schroder (even after acquiring Westbrook) or done a better job in trying to keep Gasol from retiring.  There is no reason they had to sign guys like Jordan to roster spots.  Even if Lebron pushed them towards Westbrook, the rest of the roster is a mess that was entirely avoidable.  And if the reports are true that they could have traded Westbrook, THT, and the 27 1st for Wall and Wood, but didn't do the trade to save money, that is just crazy town.  Wood would be fantastic for them and Wall can't be a worse fit than Westbrook is.  And Lebron obviously wanted them to do something like that and they ignored him then to save money.  That doesn't even account for them not including THT in the Lowry trade last year.  How much different does last post season go if they had Lowry on their team (who would almost certainly still be there).  When you hire an agent to run your team, you get this (the Knicks are a mess also - coincidence, I think not).  Pelinka is gone not Lebron.  That seems pretty obvious.

Are we really just gonna pretend all the moves were not tied to Lebron? They let a lot of the guys you mentioned go because Lebron wanted Jordan, Anthony,  and Rondo. They are his buddies and he always has liked former stars. They recently shared a story of how in Lebron's year in Cleveland they had him sign off on all the trades at the deadline. Lebron then hit a game winner and IT went to high five him and Lebron turned his back on him because he knew IT had already basically been traded. This is Lebron's career, which has been great. And if you want to say the GM should be fired for giving into Lebron that is fine, but this has been the case his entire career for everyone outside Pat Riley (and some think that is part of the reason he left there).

Also the reports were that Pelinka wanted Derozen and/or hield instead of Westbrook and Lebron demanded westbrook. Can you imagine how good the Lakers would be with both those guys. Demar might make first team all NBA.
There is no question the Lakers went for Westbrook because Lebron liked him, but Lebron also liked Caruso who they just didn't want to pay.  They could have paid Schroder and Drummond as well and still had room for guys like Carmelo.  So Pelinka listened to Lebron only some of the time and the times he did were the worst times to do so.  They also didn't make a trade at the deadline despite Lebron wanting them to.  All great players have significant influence over the teams they are on (the Nets didn't acquire or trade Harden without Durant's blessing, the Bucks didn't acquire Holiday without Giannis signing off, the Mavs traded the Zinger because he didn't get along with Luka, etc.), it is the GM's responsibility to make the decisions and Pelinka has been awful at making decisions.  Now maybe he really is hamstrung financially, but if the Lakers won't pay some extra luxury tax to make their team better, then something really is wrong with basketball.

I think you are pretty probably correct that Lebron would have liked they kept Caruso. But the Drummond stuff and Schroeder stuff is pretty silly. Schroeder turned down an 84 million contract from Lakers (which would have been a really bad contract in retrospect). Drummond was not happy there and Lebron was happy to get Howard and Jordan back. They certainly brought in melo and rondo to appease Lebron. The one absolute disaster of a move was the Westbrook trade and Lebron pushed very hard for that by all accounts. As they just said on the NBA ringer show today Lebron with team moves is like a bad roofer that messes up the roof and then says “what are you gonna do to fix this roof, it’s all messed up.” Absolving Lebron from his role in this and ignoring the reality of what actually happened with Schroeder and Drummond is pretty classic Lebron fan stuff. It’s just a bit silly when all this stuff was so well documented.

Funnily enough when a fan asked Drummond to resign for the minimum in LA he responded “you drunk.” From how own Instagram account.
They didn't have to sign Drummond for the minimum though.  They easily could have brought him back with the Nunn contract (though for a year instead of 2).  As for Schroder, yeah he turned that big contract down, but they still could have brought him back on a 1 year contract for more money than the C's offered and again would have been a contract that would have given them trade fodder if nothing else.  And because he would have been re-signed he wouldn't have had the constraints this summer that he does with the C's tax payer MLE 1 year deal. 

Lebron pushed for Westbrook there is no question on that, but Pelinka could have said no, we are going to do Kuzma and Harrell for Hield and keep KCP.  Lebron was signed long term, he wasn't going anywhere.  And as we've seen, Pelinka has no problem telling Lebron no i.e. we aren't keeping Caruso, we aren't making any moves at the deadline, we aren't firing Vogel, etc.  The GM is the guy running the franchise, he has to be held accountable for the roster on the floor and the Lakers roster is terrible. 

How much different do the Lakers look, even with the Russ trade if they had Caruso, Schroder, Matthews (he could have been brought back in the 4 million range), and Drummond.  And they still could have signed Anthony and some of the other guys (they also could have kept Morris).  The Lakers have 3 max contracts, THT at around 10 million, Nunn (who hasn't played) at 5 million, and then a team full of minimum contracts.  They have limited draft picks to trade, they needed mid-tier salary to have flexibility and they just let all of the guys go that could have given them that mid-tier salary flexibility for absolutely no reason other than being cheap.  I mean it isn't like they just had to have all of these guys on the roster: Bazemore, Ellington, Johnson, Bradley, Ariza.  Obviously Monk and Anthony worked out well and Howard has been ok, but they already moved on from Rondo and Jordan is just terrible as well.  Swap some of those guys out for mid-tier contract AND better players and maybe the Lakers wouldn't have one of the worst rosters in the league outside of their top two guys who've barely played together.  And Pelinka is the guy that put that team together.  He absolutely should get fired for that disaster. 

Like here is a team they could have had to start the year even doing the Westbrook trade

Starters - Westbrook, Caruso, James, Davis, Drummond
Rotation - Schroder, Morris, THT, Anthony, Monk, Howard
Deep Bench - Rondo, Jordan, Matthews, Reaves

That 15 man team is way better than the crap they have and would have had a lot more salary flexibility for them to make moves at the deadline.  And that is with still doing the Westbrook trade.  Had they kept KCP and acquired Hield, they'd have been even better, and still would have had room for guys like Rondo and Jordan to help keep James happy.

Come on mo, this is getting a bit ridiculous. These are actual people. Neither Schroeder or Drummond were happy there. Drummond even called out Vogel in the season over his row in addition to his comments in the off-season. You also keep willfully ignoring the fact that Lebron wanted Howard and rondo back from the championship squad.  Why are you creating this fantasy land where none of this happened and Drummond and Schroeder aren’t human beings with emotions? I get you like Lebron but there is no need to become this absurd trying to defend his role in the lakers roster. It’s also not even like this is something new with Lebron. He has literally done this his entire career. He likes big name former stars and his buddies . It’s part of the package and something 15 years in that is ridiculous to argue otherwise.

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« Reply #1914 on: February 24, 2022, 08:26:14 AM »

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Schroder was linked to the Lakers as a buyout candidate had Houston bought him out.  That doesn't happen if he wasn't happy there.  It was the Lakers that didn't offer him a contract over the summer, not the other way around.  The Lakers absolutely could have brought him back on a 1 year contract in the 10-20 million range, but they got cheap.  Just as they did at the deadline in not acquiring Wood because they didn't want to pay more luxury tax.  Just as they did with DeRozan.  It was reported just a couple of days ago that the reason DeRozan isn't a Laker is that the Lakers wouldn't give him a 3rd year.  When DeRozan demanded a 3rd year, the Lakers moved on to the Westbrook vs. Hield debate.  The Lakers have quite simply become cheap even though they knew what acquiring James entailed.  You can't get cheap with him on the roster, he demands his teams to be constantly in win now mode with cost never being an impediment.  It is why he left Miami to go back to Cleveland.  It is why he kept signing the 1+1 deals in Cleveland.  The Lakers knew this though. 
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« Reply #1915 on: February 24, 2022, 12:01:50 PM »

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Schroder was linked to the Lakers as a buyout candidate had Houston bought him out.  That doesn't happen if he wasn't happy there.  It was the Lakers that didn't offer him a contract over the summer, not the other way around.  The Lakers absolutely could have brought him back on a 1 year contract in the 10-20 million range, but they got cheap.  Just as they did at the deadline in not acquiring Wood because they didn't want to pay more luxury tax.  Just as they did with DeRozan.  It was reported just a couple of days ago that the reason DeRozan isn't a Laker is that the Lakers wouldn't give him a 3rd year.  When DeRozan demanded a 3rd year, the Lakers moved on to the Westbrook vs. Hield debate.  The Lakers have quite simply become cheap even though they knew what acquiring James entailed.  You can't get cheap with him on the roster, he demands his teams to be constantly in win now mode with cost never being an impediment.  It is why he left Miami to go back to Cleveland.  It is why he kept signing the 1+1 deals in Cleveland.  The Lakers knew this though.

"Schröder’s one season in Los Angeles was a rollercoaster that saw him come into camp demanding to start, proudly turn down repeated extension offers from the front office publicly, nearly get traded at the deadline, end up in health and safety protocols multiple times while claiming to be unvaccinated, and throw LeBron James under the bus for not getting the shot in an interview with a German news outlet." - Silver Screen and Roll

They had a very weak rumor that the Lakers "may have some interest in Schroeder" if he was bought out and says nothing of Schroeders interest in them (it also makes very little sense for Schroeder to go to a team with two of the most ball dominant players in the league for 20 games that may not even make the real playoffs to try and raise his offers in free agency). As we saw with Dragic, Carter and Tristan Thompson there also is really nobody that knows where these buyout guys are signing. Anyway you try to spin it, there is a heck of a lot of evidence that both schroeder and the Lakers were not a good fit together and he wasn't super happy there. I understand why you are doing it, but you really are going to extreme mental gymnastics to come up with a way everything absolutely breaks right for the Lakers in the offseason (Despite Lebron wanting just about all these guys including the most disastrous of them all Westbrook).  and maybe they are a 6 seed instead of a 9 seed right now. This parallel universe also requires the miracle of Davis not getting injured repeatedly (like he has his whole career) and Lebron not breaking down (which has now happened 3 of the 4 last seasons). 

Also, if you don't want to take my word for Lebron being happy with all these moves, why don't you at least take his (though he has now deleted the Tweet).

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/08/lebron-james-deletes-tweet-reaction-lakers-old-roster-nba

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« Reply #1916 on: February 24, 2022, 01:17:14 PM »

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« Reply #1917 on: February 24, 2022, 01:43:43 PM »

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Anybody who quotes Nick Wright immediately loses credibility, sorry.  CelticsStrong rule.

Management did screw up, but that was with a giant assist from Lebron.  Why was he pushing for Westbrook?  Why not go all-in on DeRozan?  There may have been a world where, instead of Westbrook, the Lakers acquired both DeRozan and Hield while also keeping Schroeder, Caruso, Drummond, etc.  I haven't done the math, but the money isn't wildly different for Westbrook vs. DeRozan / Hield, particularly where it's likely DeRozan would have played for a slightly lower salary than in Chicago.






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Anybody who quotes Nick Wright immediately loses credibility, sorry.  CelticsStrong rule.

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« Reply #1919 on: February 24, 2022, 02:16:55 PM »

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Anybody who quotes Nick Wright immediately loses credibility, sorry.  CelticsStrong rule.

Management did screw up, but that was with a giant assist from Lebron.  Why was he pushing for Westbrook?  Why not go all-in on DeRozan?  There may have been a world where, instead of Westbrook, the Lakers acquired both DeRozan and Hield while also keeping Schroeder, Caruso, Drummond, etc.  I haven't done the math, but the money isn't wildly different for Westbrook vs. DeRozan / Hield, particularly where it's likely DeRozan would have played for a slightly lower salary than in Chicago.
They had to be below the apron to acquire DeRozan (since it was a sign and trade) so they wouldn't have been able to have him and Hield and almost certainly still would have lost Caruso, Shroder, etc. given the salary.

Lebron and DeRozan talked and were excited to play together, but DeRozan going to LA ended when the Lakers wouldn't give him a 3rd year.  They wanted basically a clean cap for the 23-24 season as they only have Davis and THT with a player option on the books.  The Lakers quite simply didn't want to commit any real money longer than Lebron's 2 years.  They got cheap and ended up with a disaster of a roster as a result, which they double down on at the deadline by not making moves that would have added money this year or long term.  Now maybe that is Jeanie Buss and not Pelinka driving that decisions, but it is clearly Lakers management.
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