Who doesn’t make the roster?

[nickagneta]

Dunn gets traded in as salary dumped with a 2nd and cash to help stay out of the luxury tax

[trickybilly]

Dunn gets traded in as salary dumped with a 2nd and cash to help stay out of the luxury tax

We'll still need to find another ~2 mill or so to dump to stay out of the tax once Jabari's contract guarantees on the first day of the season right? (Assuming he stays of course).

Dunn+Carsen gets it done, but that leaves us a little light at the guard position:

Smart
PP
Schroeder
JR

Actually, maybe that's fine.

[Jvalin]

Dunn gets traded in as salary dumped with a 2nd and cash to help stay out of the luxury tax

If we are underachieving at the deadline, I could see us packaging Dunn with Romeo in order to avoid the tax. Let's say we get a second rounder out of it (plus cap relief). Don't expect us to underachieve, but you never really know what to expect with a rookie head coach.

As things stand right now we're $6,608,558 over the tax line. Dunn's salary is $5,005,350.

[Roy H.]

Dunn gets traded in as salary dumped with a 2nd and cash to help stay out of the luxury tax

If we are underachieving at the deadline, I could see us packaging Dunn with Romeo in order to avoid the tax. Let's say we get a second rounder out of it (plus cap relief). Don't expect us to underachieve, but you never know what to expect with a rookie head coach.

As things stand right now we're $6,608,558 over the tax line. Dunn's salary is $5,005,350.

If we're underachieving, the easiest way to get under the tax might be to send Schroder to a contender for the stretch run.  We should hopefully be able to get a couple of seconds out of it.

[Jvalin]

Dunn gets traded in as salary dumped with a 2nd and cash to help stay out of the luxury tax

If we are underachieving at the deadline, I could see us packaging Dunn with Romeo in order to avoid the tax. Let's say we get a second rounder out of it (plus cap relief). Don't expect us to underachieve, but you never know what to expect with a rookie head coach.

As things stand right now we're $6,608,558 over the tax line. Dunn's salary is $5,005,350.

If we're underachieving, the easiest way to get under the tax might be to send Schroder to a contender for the stretch run.  We should hopefully be able to get a couple of seconds out of it.

It wouldn't get us under the tax though. Schroder's salary is $5,890,000. As things stand right now, we're $6,608,558 over the tax line.

[Roy H.]

Dunn gets traded in as salary dumped with a 2nd and cash to help stay out of the luxury tax

If we are underachieving at the deadline, I could see us packaging Dunn with Romeo in order to avoid the tax. Let's say we get a second rounder out of it (plus cap relief). Don't expect us to underachieve, but you never know what to expect with a rookie head coach.

As things stand right now we're $6,608,558 over the tax line. Dunn's salary is $5,005,350.

If we're underachieving, the easiest way to get under the tax might be to send Schroder to a contender for the stretch run.  We should hopefully be able to get a couple of seconds out of it.

It wouldn't get us under the tax though. Schroder's salary is $5,890,000. As things stand right now, we're $6,608,558 over the tax line.

One thing to note is that that figure is based upon Spotrac's numbers.  They have a higher cap figure for the Celtics than other sites, based primarily upon a discrepancy about Jaylen Brown's salary:

Spotrac:  $24,830,357 + $1,928,571 likely bonuses = $26,758,928 (with another $964,286 in unlikely bonuses)
Hoopshype:  $25,633,928

That's a fairly significant difference.  I think that Spotrac is probably generally more reliable, but all of the other numbers are the same, so I wonder why the discrepancy. 

EDIT:  It looks like there's a likely bonus of around $1.4 million if Jaylen is named an all-star.  That could come into play this year regarding how much tax room we have.

[Celtics2021]

Dunn gets traded in as salary dumped with a 2nd and cash to help stay out of the luxury tax

If we are underachieving at the deadline, I could see us packaging Dunn with Romeo in order to avoid the tax. Let's say we get a second rounder out of it (plus cap relief). Don't expect us to underachieve, but you never know what to expect with a rookie head coach.

As things stand right now we're $6,608,558 over the tax line. Dunn's salary is $5,005,350.

If we're underachieving, the easiest way to get under the tax might be to send Schroder to a contender for the stretch run.  We should hopefully be able to get a couple of seconds out of it.

It wouldn't get us under the tax though. Schroder's salary is $5,890,000. As things stand right now, we're $6,608,558 over the tax line.

One thing to note is that that figure is based upon Spotrac's numbers.  They have a higher cap figure for the Celtics than other sites, based primarily upon a discrepancy about Jaylen Brown's salary:

Spotrac:  $24,830,357 + $1,928,571 likely bonuses = $26,758,928 (with another $964,286 in unlikely bonuses)
Hoopshype:  $25,633,928

That's a fairly significant difference.  I think that Spotrac is probably generally more reliable, but all of the other numbers are the same, so I wonder why the discrepancy. 

EDIT:  It looks like there's a likely bonus of around $1.4 million if Jaylen is named an all-star.  That could come into play this year regarding how much tax room we have.

All this leads back to why I think Jabari is the most likely cut.  Letting him go brings the C’s to only ~$4.5 million over the tax.  That creates a lot more options to get under the tax at the deadline if needed.  If Jaylen makes the All-Star team, they can still get under just by moving Dunn, and even have room for a buyout free agent.  Jabari will have to earn a spot in the rotation out of camp to make the roster — they’re not keeping him if he’s simply better than Edwards or Fernando.

[Vermont Green]

It is the incentives that create some difference.  The Spotrac numbers include what has been deemed as Likely Incentives but excludes Unlikely ones (not sure how this determination is made but I think it is something official and would be important for teams that are hard capped).  Right now, our projected cap per Spotrac includes the following incentives (deemed Likely):

Brown:
   $482,143 (65 games played)
$1,446,428 (All-Star)
(Brown also has a $964,286 unlikely incentive listed by Spotrac, MVP, DPOY, All NBA, I believe but the details of this are not clear).

Smart:
   $500,000 (Body Fat Percentages)

With the likely incentives included, I have us at $143,214,558 or $6,614,558 over the tax threshold.   I don't think it is worth dumping Parker now so that we can have a little bit easier time getting under the tax later.  If he shows up healthy, in shape, ready to play, he will be useful and he should make the team.  He will be well worth the contract.  If not healthy, in shape, or otherwise just not ready, he should be cut but for those reasons.

Dunn and Edwards are the most expendable.  Dunn is likely more useful than Edwards but also costs almost 3X as much.  Dunn is probably shipped out at some point (if they decide to get under the tax) but that may be hard before the start of the season so Edwards likely is the one to be cut which would be too bad.

[JBcat]

Dunn gets traded in as salary dumped with a 2nd and cash to help stay out of the luxury tax

If we are underachieving at the deadline, I could see us packaging Dunn with Romeo in order to avoid the tax. Let's say we get a second rounder out of it (plus cap relief). Don't expect us to underachieve, but you never know what to expect with a rookie head coach.

As things stand right now we're $6,608,558 over the tax line. Dunn's salary is $5,005,350.

If we're underachieving, the easiest way to get under the tax might be to send Schroder to a contender for the stretch run.  We should hopefully be able to get a couple of seconds out of it.

It wouldn't get us under the tax though. Schroder's salary is $5,890,000. As things stand right now, we're $6,608,558 over the tax line.

If we trade Edwards along with a 2nd before the start of the season for example, then if we are underachieving come trade deadline then trade Schroder for a couple 2nds that should do the trick in sneaking under the tax.

[Jvalin]

Dunn gets traded in as salary dumped with a 2nd and cash to help stay out of the luxury tax

If we are underachieving at the deadline, I could see us packaging Dunn with Romeo in order to avoid the tax. Let's say we get a second rounder out of it (plus cap relief). Don't expect us to underachieve, but you never know what to expect with a rookie head coach.

As things stand right now we're $6,608,558 over the tax line. Dunn's salary is $5,005,350.

If we're underachieving, the easiest way to get under the tax might be to send Schroder to a contender for the stretch run.  We should hopefully be able to get a couple of seconds out of it.

It wouldn't get us under the tax though. Schroder's salary is $5,890,000. As things stand right now, we're $6,608,558 over the tax line.

If we trade Edwards along with a 2nd before the start of the season for example, then if we are underachieving come trade deadline then trade Schroder for a couple 2nds that should do the trick in sneaking under the tax.

If we dump both Schroder and Edwards without replacing one of them, we'll have 14 players under contract (plus the 2-way deals). Would you want us to finish the season with 14 players instead of 15 in order for Wyc to avoid the tax?

[Roy H.]

Dunn gets traded in as salary dumped with a 2nd and cash to help stay out of the luxury tax

If we are underachieving at the deadline, I could see us packaging Dunn with Romeo in order to avoid the tax. Let's say we get a second rounder out of it (plus cap relief). Don't expect us to underachieve, but you never know what to expect with a rookie head coach.

As things stand right now we're $6,608,558 over the tax line. Dunn's salary is $5,005,350.

If we're underachieving, the easiest way to get under the tax might be to send Schroder to a contender for the stretch run.  We should hopefully be able to get a couple of seconds out of it.

It wouldn't get us under the tax though. Schroder's salary is $5,890,000. As things stand right now, we're $6,608,558 over the tax line.

If we trade Edwards along with a 2nd before the start of the season for example, then if we are underachieving come trade deadline then trade Schroder for a couple 2nds that should do the trick in sneaking under the tax.

If we dump both Schroder and Edwards without replacing one of them, we'll have 14 players under contract. Would you want us to finish the season with 14 players instead of 15 in order for Wyc to avoid the tax?

Does it matter what we want?   

[Vermont Green]

The idea of just trading a player like Edwards to shed salary is not going to be all that easy.  Right now, there are 17 teams that have between 16 and 18 signed players.  I don't know the exact status of all these, teams may have non-guaranteed contracts like Parker, but that is probably 20 or so players that teams will be looking to unload that will be added to currently available FAs.

There are 6 teams with 14 signed players but many of these these are teams like the Lakers and PHI who are doing this on purpose so that they can pick up someone who is released and can be useful.  They are not going to take someone like Edwards.  Then there are two teams with 13 signed (POR and CHI) and one with only 11 signed (MIN).

I don't see that many places where we are going to be able to just send out Edwards or Dunn.  The few teams that are actually looking for a player will have plenty of options.  There are simply not enough chairs for everyone when the music stops.  Teams have no reason to trade for these players, even for second round picks or whatever.  There will be plenty of released players they can sign for min contracts.

[Celtics2021]

The idea of just trading a player like Edwards to shed salary is not going to be all that easy.  Right now, there are 17 teams that have between 16 and 18 signed players.  I don't know the exact status of all these, teams may have non-guaranteed contracts like Parker, but that is probably 20 or so players that teams will be looking to unload that will be added to currently available FAs.

There are 6 teams with 14 signed players but many of these these are teams like the Lakers and PHI who are doing this on purpose so that they can pick up someone who is released and can be useful.  They are not going to take someone like Edwards.  Then there are two teams with 13 signed (POR and CHI) and one with only 11 signed (MIN).

I don't see that many places where we are going to be able to just send out Edwards or Dunn.  The few teams that are actually looking for a player will have plenty of options.  There are simply not enough chairs for everyone when the music stops.  Teams have no reason to trade for these players, even for second round picks or whatever.  There will be plenty of released players they can sign for min contracts.

It wouldn’t be hard to trade Edwards if the Celtics want.  He’s owed ~$1.8 million.  If they send Edwards and a little bit more than he’s owed, say about $2.2 million, some team with a little cap space or a small exception might appreciate the profit even if they intend to cut Edwards immediately.

Of course, it’s cheaper still to just cut Parker, and it’s why he’s gone unless he wins a rotation spot (or a consolidating trade is made). Being the non-guaranteed 16th man with a roster of 15 guaranteed contracts requires you to be more than merely the 12th man out of 15.

[Vermont Green]

The idea of just trading a player like Edwards to shed salary is not going to be all that easy.  Right now, there are 17 teams that have between 16 and 18 signed players.  I don't know the exact status of all these, teams may have non-guaranteed contracts like Parker, but that is probably 20 or so players that teams will be looking to unload that will be added to currently available FAs.

There are 6 teams with 14 signed players but many of these these are teams like the Lakers and PHI who are doing this on purpose so that they can pick up someone who is released and can be useful.  They are not going to take someone like Edwards.  Then there are two teams with 13 signed (POR and CHI) and one with only 11 signed (MIN).

I don't see that many places where we are going to be able to just send out Edwards or Dunn.  The few teams that are actually looking for a player will have plenty of options.  There are simply not enough chairs for everyone when the music stops.  Teams have no reason to trade for these players, even for second round picks or whatever.  There will be plenty of released players they can sign for min contracts.

It wouldn’t be hard to trade Edwards if the Celtics want.  He’s owed ~$1.8 million.  If they send Edwards and a little bit more than he’s owed, say about $2.2 million, some team with a little cap space or a small exception might appreciate the profit even if they intend to cut Edwards immediately.

Of course, it’s cheaper still to just cut Parker, and it’s why he’s gone unless he wins a rotation spot (or a consolidating trade is made). Being the non-guaranteed 16th man with a roster of 15 guaranteed contracts requires you to be more than merely the 12th man out of 15.

To be clear, it still needs to be a team with a roster spot (which right now is only 9 teams) and with cap space or a TPE they want to waste.  I get that there is a mechanism for this, what you describe is accurate as far I know, but there are not that many teams in position to do it.   I don't see it happening.  Edwards would likely need to just be cut before the start of the season if they don't decide to give up on Parker (which is certainly a possibility).  My prediction/expectation is that Edwards end up getting waived, not claimed, and released, so we can start the season with 15.  Then something may be done with Schroder or Dunn during the season.

[Celtics2021]

The idea of just trading a player like Edwards to shed salary is not going to be all that easy.  Right now, there are 17 teams that have between 16 and 18 signed players.  I don't know the exact status of all these, teams may have non-guaranteed contracts like Parker, but that is probably 20 or so players that teams will be looking to unload that will be added to currently available FAs.

There are 6 teams with 14 signed players but many of these these are teams like the Lakers and PHI who are doing this on purpose so that they can pick up someone who is released and can be useful.  They are not going to take someone like Edwards.  Then there are two teams with 13 signed (POR and CHI) and one with only 11 signed (MIN).

I don't see that many places where we are going to be able to just send out Edwards or Dunn.  The few teams that are actually looking for a player will have plenty of options.  There are simply not enough chairs for everyone when the music stops.  Teams have no reason to trade for these players, even for second round picks or whatever.  There will be plenty of released players they can sign for min contracts.

It wouldn’t be hard to trade Edwards if the Celtics want.  He’s owed ~$1.8 million.  If they send Edwards and a little bit more than he’s owed, say about $2.2 million, some team with a little cap space or a small exception might appreciate the profit even if they intend to cut Edwards immediately.

Of course, it’s cheaper still to just cut Parker, and it’s why he’s gone unless he wins a rotation spot (or a consolidating trade is made). Being the non-guaranteed 16th man with a roster of 15 guaranteed contracts requires you to be more than merely the 12th man out of 15.

To be clear, it still needs to be a team with a roster spot (which right now is only 9 teams) and with cap space or a TPE they want to waste.  I get that there is a mechanism for this, what you describe is accurate as far I know, but there are not that many teams in position to do it.   I don't see it happening.  Edwards would likely need to just be cut before the start of the season if they don't decide to give up on Parker (which is certainly a possibility).  My prediction/expectation is that Edwards end up getting waived, not claimed, and released, so we can start the season with 15.  Then something may be done with Schroder or Dunn during the season.

Before opening day you can have I think 20 players under contract.  So a team with 19 could trade for Edwards and cash, as I described, cut him, and not have to do anything about their other roster spots.  That’s why it won’t be hard to move him if they choose to do so.