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Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #840 on: September 10, 2021, 07:35:37 PM »

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With the 6th pick in Round 13, the San Antonio Spurs select:



Jeff Green

Still hate him.
Quite unforgivable for what he did while in Cleveland
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #841 on: September 10, 2021, 07:47:50 PM »

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With the 6th pick in Round 13, the San Antonio Spurs select:



Jeff Green

Still hate him.
Quite unforgivable for what he did while in Cleveland
Still remember the buzzer beater against the Heat! We also got a lotto pick for him. Not bad. 8)

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #842 on: September 10, 2021, 07:49:08 PM »

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BKN selects the next great shooter. Aaron Nesmith

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #843 on: September 10, 2021, 07:50:03 PM »

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The Milwaukee Bucks select De'Anthony Melton.

One of the best on-ball defenders in the NBA. He has also developed a 3pt shot. Averaged 41.2% from 3 last season on 4.1 attempts per game.

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #844 on: September 10, 2021, 08:20:14 PM »

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Looks like everyone's time has run out. 

The Memphis Grizzlies select Blake Griffin.

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #845 on: September 10, 2021, 08:53:49 PM »

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Pistons select Dennis Schroeder
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PG: Chauncey Billups/ Baron Davis
SG: Michael Redd/ Dan Majerle/ Allan Houston
SF: Peja Stojakovic/ Gerald Wallace/ Toni Kukoc
PF: Shawn Kemp/ Antonio McDyess
C: Dwight Howard/ Tyson Chandler

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« Reply #846 on: September 10, 2021, 09:48:48 PM »

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The Pacers select Steven Adams

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #847 on: September 10, 2021, 10:52:00 PM »

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The Pacers select Steven Adams
I am shocked Adams lasted all the way. I had him as an above average backup center in this 12 team league. I was struggling between Adams and Mitchell Robinson for my pick in the 9th round.

I feel like folks got too down on Adams this season because he was put in a badly constructed team. He is still a good player. I liked his passing, smarts and physical over M.Robinson. I went with Robinson because of his shot-blocking (more similar to Gobert's rim presence) and lob threat (passing option for Luka).

Steal to get Steven Adams so late on.


Pistons select Dennis Schroeder
Schroeder was a cool get too.

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #848 on: September 11, 2021, 10:33:50 AM »

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The Thunder select Cameron Johnson.
Jaylen Brown for All-NBA

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #849 on: September 11, 2021, 10:36:48 AM »

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With the 3rd pick of the 12th round, the OKC Thunder select...



Marc Gasol!
A guy that is going home to Spain and won't be in the NBA next season?
Don't shoot the messenger :P
Lol ... was just asking. Maybe someone missed the recent news.
I imagine, because it makes it quite hard to justify. Maybe he cuts him after the draft for an undrafted free agent ;D
Oh boy I didn't follow the news. Any credit to him as a ~5 MPG third string centre if he balls out in Europe :laugh:
Jaylen Brown for All-NBA

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #850 on: September 11, 2021, 02:56:32 PM »

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Is there going to be a vote for best team or just "everyone wins"(which I am very good with)?

Are rosters closed or can trades still happen?

If anyone wants to talk trade, PM me! Who knows if we close any deals but discussing things may be fun!

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« Reply #851 on: September 11, 2021, 03:25:15 PM »

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Oh man, yesterday was so busy at work that I completely forgot about the draft! With the 4th pick of the 12th round, the Toronto Raptors select...



Victor Oladipo!!!
2023 No Top 75 Fantasy Draft Los Angeles Clippers
PG: Dennis Johnson / Jo Jo White / Stephon Marbury
SG: Sidney Moncrief / World B. Free
SF: Chris Mullin / Ron Artest
PF: Detlef Schrempf / Tom Chambers / Buck Williams
C: Ben Wallace / Andrew Bynum

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #852 on: September 11, 2021, 03:29:00 PM »

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With the 9th pick of the last round, the Toronto Raptors select...



John Wall!!!
2023 No Top 75 Fantasy Draft Los Angeles Clippers
PG: Dennis Johnson / Jo Jo White / Stephon Marbury
SG: Sidney Moncrief / World B. Free
SF: Chris Mullin / Ron Artest
PF: Detlef Schrempf / Tom Chambers / Buck Williams
C: Ben Wallace / Andrew Bynum

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #853 on: September 25, 2021, 02:27:52 PM »

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I thought it might be fun to look back at how our draft board compared to ESPN's top 100 NBARank. Obviously, fit isn't incorporated into the ESPN version, but in terms of raw talent how'd we do. The biggest takeaway is that this board really cares about fit and experience! Small, score-first, no-defense OR big, defense-first, no-shooting players were highly ranked by ESPN but didn't quite fit into our teams. On the other hand, we "reached" for glue guys who were perfect 5th-7th options on these teams but don't have high-end talent. I think in general that's validating so well done.

Biggest Reaches

This starts easy. ESPN did not give any love to the injured players -- Kawhi Leonard (and later Jamal Murray) did not get credit.

Players that were drafted in the top 100 but were not in the top 100 for ESPN:
  • RJ Barrett - Drafted 53rd in our draft. I was surprised to not see him in the ESPN version -- I thought he'd be an easy choice for getting better compared to some of the players included like Gallo.
  • Harrison Barnes - Drafted 56th in our draft. I guess glue guy veterans get overlooked in sexy top 100 projected rankings.
  • Evan Fournier - Drafted 70th in our draft. Again, surprising not to see him especially after a big contract. For all the debate around him here, wild to see such a productive player excluded from the top 100.

And then real reaches:

  • Other boring, consistent vets - Al Horford (61st), Kyle Anderson (74th), Brook Lopez (75th), PJ Washington (77th), Nicolas Batum (82nd), Jae Crowder (83rd), Danny Green (84th), Marcus Morris (91st). In our draft these were the 6th-7th rounds, where we were all looking for glue guys for our bench who can fit on any team. Apparently that's not valued by ESPN.
  • Jonas Valanciunas - Drafted 54th, ranked 94th. I thought he was drafted a bit high in ours but added to his team.
  • Gordon Hayward - Drafted 25th, ranked 58th. I thought 25 was way too high but 58th is crazy low to me.
  • Malcolm Brogdon, Dejounte Murray, and OG Anunoby - Grouping them together as high-end glue guys. OG drafted 49th, ESPN ranked 72nd. Murray drafted 62nd, ranked 83th. Brogdon drafted 46th, ranked 65th. Clearly ESPN doesn't know what it's doing! Brogdon should be top 20 :) Duncan Robinson might be in this list too at 64th v. 92nd.
  • High end reaches - Karl-Anthony Towns (13th v. 24th), Jaylen Brown (19th v. 27th), Zion Williamson (16th v. 23rd), Zach Lavine (21st v. 33rd), LaMelo Ball (33rd v. 47th), Kristaps Porzingis (37th v. 50th). For the most part up-and-coming players where these managers got excited about talent level but ESPN gave more benefit to some established veterans instead. Interesting that many of these players haven't "won" much yet.

Okay, let's stop beating ourselves up.

Best Value

  • High volume scorers who are inefficient / hard team fits - D'Lo Russell (111th v. 63rd), Anthony Edwards (105th v. 52nd), Russell Westbrook (78th v. 29th), John Wall (undrafted v. 85th). Look at that love for Westbrook on ESPN! That's insane. Maybe in terms of raw talent, but interesting to see these players still ranked so high by ESPN with their star names versus how we thought about it with team construction.
  • Other score-first guards - Same theme but with a different level of brand name. Devonte Graham (132nd v. 86th), Darius Garland (126th v. 84th), Jordan Clarkson (128th v. 90th), Collin Sexton (92nd v. 59th), Kevin Huerter (127th v. 95th). Mostly undersized, score-first guards who can't defend. Hard team fits, but put up the numbers for ESPN.
  • Non-elite big men who can't shoot - Jusuf Nurkic (119th v. 74th), Aaron Gordon (104th v. 69th) -- not a big big man but same idea, Jarrett Allen (86th v. 61st). The opposite of the previous bullet with the same point -- again, harder fits so the talent level itself is likely above where they were drafted based on defense and interior scoring.
  • Good fits who were just good picks! - Miles Bridges (109th v. 87th) is an easy team fit who could have been drafted higher based on his potential and performance. Lauri Markannen (117th v. 82nd) and might be a tough fit but was great value. Myles Turner (66th v. 44th) might be overrated by ESPN but underrated by our drafting. Same with Jaren Jackson as a similar player (88th v. 71st). I'll give myself some credit for Andrew Wiggins (99th v. 71st) and Derrick Rose (118th v. 91st).
  • Young score-first talents - Brandon Ingram (43rd v. 26th), De'Aaron Fox (50th v. 34th), Trae Young (32nd v. 17th) all represent up and coming score-first players where the board is still skeptical.
  • Great high-end value - DeMar DeRozan (72nd v. 45th), Chris Paul (23rd v. 13th), Jrue Holiday (30th v. 22nd), Khris Middleton (26th v. 19th), Bradley Beal (17th v. 11th).

I hesitated to go with mapping to teams but I think everyone had some wins and some losses. In any case this was on my mind so wanted to lay it out for others :) Sorry if I missed anything in organizing the draft board.
2023 Historical Draft: Toronto Raptors

Point Guard: Anfernee Hardaway, Fat Lever, Terrell Brandon
Shooting Guard: Paul Westphal, Paul Pressey
Small Forward: Marques Johnson, Danny Granger
Power Forward: Jermaine O'Neal, Bobby Jones, Kiki Vandeweghe
Center: Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka

Re: Summer 2021 Fantasy Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #854 on: September 25, 2021, 02:37:52 PM »

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And then I'll give myself a personal report card:

  • Steph Curry - Drafted 3rd, ranked 5th. Maybe a reach, but hard to really argue with it in the top 5
  • Bam Adebayo - Drafted 22nd, ranked 21th. Right on.
  • Ben Simmons - Drafted 27th, ranked 28th. Take that, forums.
  • Malcolm Brogdon - Drafted 46th, ranked 65th. This was surprising to me, but I guess Brogdon's playing style isn't well-suited to rankings. High-end glue guy. I guess I might've reached.
  • Jerami Grant - Drafted 51st, ranked 53rd. About right
  • Evan Fournier - Drafted 70th, not ranked. The first of two surprising non-ranks for me. I thought this was about right for him.
  • Brook Lopez - Drafted 75th, not ranked. Another high-end glue guy who just won a championship that I was surprised wasn't in the 80-100 range.
  • Derrick White - Drafted 94th, not ranked. Hard to tell on value since it was only a top 100 list
  • Andrew Wiggins - Drafted 99th, ranked 77th. Saving some value on the back-end!
  • Derrick Rose - Drafted 118th, ranked 91st. Saving some value on the back-end!
  • Daniel Theis - Drafted 123rd, not ranked. Who knows.
  • Cam Payne - same thing.

Overall I had the impression that I had reached on Simmons but had made up for it with strong middle-to-end drafting. Looking at this list, I have to re-rate myself even lower because Simmons was a tough fit so his ranking is inflated and maybe the middle picks (Brogdon, Lopez, Fournier) weren't as strong as expected. I made up for it with Wiggins and Rose but maybe not enough.
2023 Historical Draft: Toronto Raptors

Point Guard: Anfernee Hardaway, Fat Lever, Terrell Brandon
Shooting Guard: Paul Westphal, Paul Pressey
Small Forward: Marques Johnson, Danny Granger
Power Forward: Jermaine O'Neal, Bobby Jones, Kiki Vandeweghe
Center: Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka