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Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2021, 10:22:55 PM »

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Will jump in here to agree with the other few posters who enjoyed Rachel. Thought she was the best woman in basketball TV, at least of those who had a main role in the show and analysis.

That said, I also think Mike Breen is one of the better national tv play by play guys, which isn’t a popular opinion on here either 😬
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Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2021, 10:48:59 PM »

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Made 2 bullet point lists of everything said in this topic so far.

1 list of all the reasons Rachel should stay.

1 list of all the reasons she should go.


STAY:
 - she's a woman in sports journalism whose career began in the 90s (tenure?)
 - She was a true trail-blazer (same as above)

GO:
 - Never particularly liked her as a journalist
 - she was willing to throw them (ESPN) under the bus
 - She always seemed to be more of a shill for whichever star players were willing to give her access than she was a reporter of any kind.

I'm not listing the skin colour ones because those are rubbish, right? Or DO we care about skin colour? In that case, does the colour of Rachel's skin put her in column A or B?

So, tenure is why she should stay?

So far, it's not looking rosey.

Again, my point remains the same; if you want to argue someone got hired because of the colour of their skin, at least bring points to the table that argue for/against that. Don't just bring more of the same rhetoric but from the other perspective.

Do you think it’s a coincidence that Nichols was replaced by a young, inexperienced black host during the height of BLM, when ESPN was openly catering its coverage toward racial justice?  Despite Nichols being contractually promised hosting duties?

This was all about skin color.  Hiring / firing / promoting / demoting based upon race should be unconstitutional, and hopefully the current Supreme Court will overturn prior racist precedent.

ESPN is a private company and can put people on the air however they want.  If ESPN feels like having a lack of representation is hurting their brand, then they have every right to address that.  Rachel Nichols then attacked ESPN and ESPN responded in the way they felt appropriate.  ESPN has a horrible record promoting black employees.  She could have moved past this but she kept attacking ESPN in private.

So, if ESPN thinks they're losing their white audience and decides to fire black employees and promote white broadcasters, that's legal?

Of course it is.

You might want to research that one. 


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Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2021, 11:22:50 PM »

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Will jump in here to agree with the other few posters who enjoyed Rachel. Thought she was the best woman in basketball TV, at least of those who had a main role in the show and analysis.

That said, I also think Mike Breen is one of the better national tv play by play guys, which isn’t a popular opinion on here either 😬


 Best woman in basketball.  Cough. Cough, that's Doris Burke.

Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2021, 11:28:13 PM »

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Made 2 bullet point lists of everything said in this topic so far.

1 list of all the reasons Rachel should stay.

1 list of all the reasons she should go.


STAY:
 - she's a woman in sports journalism whose career began in the 90s (tenure?)
 - She was a true trail-blazer (same as above)

GO:
 - Never particularly liked her as a journalist
 - she was willing to throw them (ESPN) under the bus
 - She always seemed to be more of a shill for whichever star players were willing to give her access than she was a reporter of any kind.

I'm not listing the skin colour ones because those are rubbish, right? Or DO we care about skin colour? In that case, does the colour of Rachel's skin put her in column A or B?

So, tenure is why she should stay?

So far, it's not looking rosey.

Again, my point remains the same; if you want to argue someone got hired because of the colour of their skin, at least bring points to the table that argue for/against that. Don't just bring more of the same rhetoric but from the other perspective.

Do you think it’s a coincidence that Nichols was replaced by a young, inexperienced black host during the height of BLM, when ESPN was openly catering its coverage toward racial justice?  Despite Nichols being contractually promised hosting duties?

This was all about skin color.  Hiring / firing / promoting / demoting based upon race should be unconstitutional, and hopefully the current Supreme Court will overturn prior racist precedent.

ESPN is a private company and can put people on the air however they want.  If ESPN feels like having a lack of representation is hurting their brand, then they have every right to address that.  Rachel Nichols then attacked ESPN and ESPN responded in the way they felt appropriate.  ESPN has a horrible record promoting black employees.  She could have moved past this but she kept attacking ESPN in private.

So, if ESPN thinks they're losing their white audience and decides to fire black employees and promote white broadcasters, that's legal?

Of course it is.

You might want to research that one.

well the analysis is more complex than the above exchange. I know one thing the law does not require ESPN to go bankrupt just to keep black employees.

Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2021, 11:38:07 PM »

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Will jump in here to agree with the other few posters who enjoyed Rachel. Thought she was the best woman in basketball TV, at least of those who had a main role in the show and analysis.

That said, I also think Mike Breen is one of the better national tv play by play guys, which isn’t a popular opinion on here either 😬

 Best woman in basketball.  Cough. Cough, that's Doris Burke.

Followed by Abby!

Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2021, 12:11:04 AM »

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Will jump in here to agree with the other few posters who enjoyed Rachel. Thought she was the best woman in basketball TV, at least of those who had a main role in the show and analysis.

That said, I also think Mike Breen is one of the better national tv play by play guys, which isn’t a popular opinion on here either 😬

 Best woman in basketball.  Cough. Cough, that's Doris Burke.

Followed by Abby!

Abby>Doris

Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2021, 12:11:50 AM »

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Will jump in here to agree with the other few posters who enjoyed Rachel. Thought she was the best woman in basketball TV, at least of those who had a main role in the show and analysis.

That said, I also think Mike Breen is one of the better national tv play by play guys, which isn’t a popular opinion on here either 😬

 Best woman in basketball.  Cough. Cough, that's Doris Burke.

Followed by Abby!

I respectfully disagree, IMO it’s Jackie MacMullan.

Now that Jackie’s retired from her journalism duties, I would love her to finish her career on commentary.
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Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2021, 03:11:34 AM »

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Will jump in here to agree with the other few posters who enjoyed Rachel. Thought she was the best woman in basketball TV, at least of those who had a main role in the show and analysis.

That said, I also think Mike Breen is one of the better national tv play by play guys, which isn’t a popular opinion on here either 😬


 Best woman in basketball.  Cough. Cough, that's Doris Burke.
It most certainly is not Doris Burke.
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Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2021, 03:48:35 AM »

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You can never be woke enough.  The lesson:  stay silent and move aside while less qualified people take your job, or it may be the last time you work in the industry.  Value is judged by your race and/or the concentration of melanin in your skin.
Pretty much.

Can’t wait for Nichols to basically unload more dirt on ESPN. Should be fun.

Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2021, 05:47:36 AM »

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it also sucks for the CHA announcer whose Nuggets tweet autocorrected to the n-word, and he got fired. People need to be super-careful about what they put out there (or might get out there).

Sidebar but worth pointing out: most autocorrect software currently in use incorporates learning behaviour, and has for the last decade or so.

Open up whatever texting software you use on your phone (or Twitter) and type Niggets (we can assume this is the misspelling that lead to the 'error'). On my devices, it autocorrects to Nuggets. Which makes sense, because the other word is not a word that I use.

Unless there's some special version of racist autocorrect that's being tested in the South (which, hey, anything is possible), the "oh no my autocorrect just happened to make this egregious mistake, I certainly don't use that word" excuse doesn't hold water.
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Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2021, 05:55:01 AM »

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it also sucks for the CHA announcer whose Nuggets tweet autocorrected to the n-word, and he got fired. People need to be super-careful about what they put out there (or might get out there).

Sidebar but worth pointing out: most autocorrect software currently in use incorporates learning behaviour, and has for the last decade or so.

Open up whatever texting software you use on your phone (or Twitter) and type Niggets (we can assume this is the misspelling that lead to the 'error'). On my devices, it autocorrects to Nuggets. Which makes sense, because the other word is not a word that I use.

Unless there's some special version of racist autocorrect that's being tested in the South (which, hey, anything is possible), the "oh no my autocorrect just happened to make this egregious mistake, I certainly don't use that word" excuse doesn't hold water.

Yeah - kinda funny that Google/Apple kinda know who's racist.

Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2021, 07:13:24 AM »

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Best woman in basketball.  Cough. Cough, that's Doris Burke.

She talks too much.   She knows the game but listening her doing the games is not a good experience.

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    ESPN is a private company and can put people on the air however they want.  If ESPN feels like having a lack of representation is hurting their brand, then they have every right to address that.  Rachel Nichols then attacked ESPN and ESPN responded in the way they felt appropriate.  ESPN has a horrible record promoting black employees.  She could have moved past this but she kept attacking ESPN in private.

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“I just want them to go somewhere else — it’s in my contract, by the way; this job is in my contract in writing,” Nichols told Mendelsohn, referring to hosting coverage during the N.B.A. finals a few minutes after saying ESPN was “feeling pressure” about racial diversity.

“We, of course, are not going to comment on the specifics of any commentator contract,” said Josh Krulewitz, an ESPN spokesman. Krulewitz declined to make Pitaro available for an interview.

Unbeknown to Nichols, her video camera was on, and the call was being recorded to a server at ESPN’s headquarters in Bristol, Conn.

It is not clear why her camera was on, but most people at ESPN believe that Nichols, using new technology during a pandemic, did not turn it off properly. It was effectively the remote pandemic version of a hot mic incident.

Dozens of ESPN employees have access to the company’s video servers as part of their normal work flow.

At least one of these people watched the video on the server, recorded it on a cellphone and shared it with others. Soon, more copies of the conversation were spreading around ESPN, and within hours it reached ESPN executives, in part because of some of the comments from Mendelsohn. He is a prominent political and communications strategist who has worked for the giant private equity firm TPG; was a communications director and deputy chief of staff for Arnold Schwarzenegger, then the governor of California; and is a co-founder of James’s voting rights group, More Than a Vote, which focused on encouraging access for Black voters during the 2020 election.

In a recording of the video obtained by The New York Times, Nichols and Mendelsohn paused for a moment during the conversation after Nichols said she planned to wait for ESPN’s next move. Mendelsohn, who is white, then said: “I don’t know. I’m exhausted. Between Me Too and Black Lives Matter, I got nothing left.” Nichols then laughed.

Mendelsohn, throughout the conversation, strategized with Nichols about how she should respond to ESPN. “Be careful because that place is a snake pit,” he said. They considered a move that Mendelsohn described as “baller” but “hard to pull off”: telling Pitaro and others that having two women competing over the same job was a sign of ESPN’s wider shortcomings with female employees.

Later, Nichols and Mendelsohn went on to discuss the culture at ESPN’s headquarters.

“Those same people — who are, like, generally white conservative male Trump voters — is part of the reason I’ve had a hard time at ESPN,” Nichols said during the conversation. “I basically finally just outworked everyone for so long that they had to recognize it. I don’t want to then be a victim of them trying to play catch-up for the same damage that affected me in the first place, you know what I mean. So I’m trying to just be nice.”

Multiple Black ESPN employees said they told one another after hearing the conversation that it confirmed their suspicions that outwardly supportive white people talk differently behind closed doors.

In a statement, Mendelsohn said: “I will share what I believed then and still believe to be true. Maria deserved and earned the position, and Rachel must respect it. Maria deserved it because of her work, and ESPN recognized that like many people and companies in America, they must intentionally change. Just because Maria got the job does not mean Rachel shouldn’t get paid what she deserves. Rachel and Maria should not be forced into a zero-sum game by ESPN, and Rachel needed to call them out.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/04/sports/basketball/espn-rachel-nichols-maria-taylor.html


Wow, several things of note

1)   White  Trump voters had a hand in this clearly JK,  She has far bigger problems if she thinks that is what led to her demise or stymied her career.
2)   She went full on woke, bowed the knee, complained, apologized and got cancelled it did not save her.

Your right she should have let it go, but someone recorded this call, you know these people will stop for nothing once their out for blood.   ESPN will pay out her contract.
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Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2021, 08:11:05 AM »

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When you build something on sand, you can't complain when it falls down.

We all obviously enjoy being fans and indulging in the hype, but we should also recognize that there really isn't much here. Sports reporting is a mechanism to pump up hype about sports and monetize the attention. That attention is a mile wide and an inch deep. It is a super flimsy way to earn a living.

So yes, something fairly minor can knock anyone off their spot.

Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2021, 09:29:34 AM »

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You can never be woke enough.  The lesson:  stay silent and move aside while less qualified people take your job, or it may be the last time you work in the industry.  Value is judged by your race and/or the concentration of melanin in your skin.
Pretty much.

Can’t wait for Nichols to basically unload more dirt on ESPN. Should be fun.
Except Taylor wasn't less qualified.  Younger with less experience, but not less qualified.  In fact, I think the better argument is that Taylor was actually more qualified than Nichols given Taylor actually played the sport at a high level (SEC), has called basketball games on television, and served as a basketball analyst on television, in addition to actually hosting a NBA show at ESPN.  She wasn't just a younger prettier version of Nichols (who happened to also be black), she was an actual athlete, something Nichols was not (Taylor was an even higher level volleyball player, making the All SEC all 4 years she played in addition to representing the US on some Junior National teams).  I just don't buy this notion that Nichols deserved that particular hosting gig more than Taylor.  Experience does not always equal better and I think that is the case here.
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Re: Rachel Nichols canceled
« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2021, 09:48:54 AM »

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