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Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2021, 09:52:29 PM »

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Coaching: B (Need to see how Udoka does in NBA level as a head coach, but glad a coaching change finally.)

Draft: D (poor selections but what can we do)

Free agency: C (wished we could have signed a lot of veteran role players to make some noise this year, wish we didn't have to offer the extension for Smart etc)

Future: D (I don't see any banners coming any time soon, and we're wasting the J's times here with annual losing. GM Brad Stevens is nothing to wow about. Owner Wyc is cheap.)
We made one selection, and it was a mid-2nd rounder. How was that poor?
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Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2021, 09:56:59 PM »

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My grades, with explanations later:

Coaching:  A-. 

The Draft:  Incomplete / D

Trades And Free Agency:  B

Overall:  2022 Season And Beyond:  B

1.  Coaching Search

I'm quite happy with Udoka.  I would have preferred to keep Brad as a coach and hire a new President.  Since that wasn't going to happen, I think hiring a former player with a hard-nosed, defense-oriented approach was a good idea.  The assistants that were brought in are largely well-respected, as well.

If there's any criticism at all, I would have liked the team bring in an assistant with head-coaching experience.  Hopefully this is mitigated a bit by Brad's presence in the organization.

2.  The Draft

Meh.  It's probably not fair to grade the draft independently, but bringing in young, cheap talent is the lifeblood of a lot of franchises.  We'll be looking back at some point and wondering what would have happened if we'd made the pick instead of trading it.

Available options:  #16 -- Alperen Sengun, Jalen Jackson, Usman Garuba

Available options:  #45 -- Sharife Cooper, BJ Boston

Available trade:  #16 for two protected #1s

My guess is that we won't lament the trade in the future, but history tells us that there will be useful players that we missed out on. 

Free Agency And Trades

Out:  Kemba Walker, Evan Fournier, Tristan Thompson, Semi Ojeleye, Luke Kornet, Tremont Waters, Tacko Fall

In:  Al Horford, Josh Richardson, Dennis Schroeder, Kris Dunn, Bruno Fernando, Enes Kanter, Sam Hauser

In Then Out:  Moses Brown

Extended:  Marcus Smart

Is this the best possible off-season for Brad?  No, I don't think it was.  I think we'd be a better team if we'd signed Fournier; losing him for a trade exception makes us worse in the short-term.  I know that there's significant debate about this, but I think that Fournier's 3 year, $54 million contract (plus a team option) was good value for him. 

If there has been a narrative to this off-season, it's been maintaining flexibility.  The Horford trade saved us $10 million this season, and potentially much more next off-season.  The Richardson trade was about replacing Fournier without having to take on two additional years of salary.    We included Moses Brown in that deal to yet again save money (Dallas wanted to do the deal without him).  Trading Tristan Thompson saved guaranteed salary this year, as well. 

Up until a few days ago, the money saving endgame was clear:  preserve the possibility of creating max cap space.  That doesn't necessarily mean we were going to sign a max free agent, but the possibility was there.  That possibility alone could have been used to leverage a team (Wizards) to agree to a sign-and-trade with us, or risk losing its player for nothing.

And then, the Marcus Smart extension happened.  Value wise, it doesn't seem like bad value, assuming that the lack of focus that Marcus showed last year was just a momentary regression.  However, it took away the possibility of max space, and thus any leverage we may have had over a team.  Now, a threat by Beal or another free agent will ring hollow when it comes to Boston; we are in no better position to force a sign-and-trade than just about any other franchise.

So, I'm not thrilled that we let an asset (Fournier) walk away for nothing but a trade exception, while still not being in a position to add the so-called "third star" that many of us covet.  However, on paper the team is still in good shape.  Horford, Richardson and Schroeder are all good NBA players.  They're all recent starters on playoff teams.  It's quite possible that Brad did the best he could with the budget he's operating under.

(As an aside:  We debated whether Brad made the Kemba trade at the right time.  I wonder:  if we'd made traded the #16 to Houston for two #1s, could we have packaged one of those first rounders to OKC for Horford on / after draft night?  I suspect that maybe we could have.)

Overall:

We should have a tough, competitive team next year.  It's got nice potential as a gritty, "dirt dog" type of team.  There should be a pretty clear hiearchy on the team:  everybody's role is to play to Tatum's and Brown's strengths.  The team isn't a top-tier contender, but has a chance at finishing top-three in the East, and should be competitive against any team in a playoff series.  We might not advance far, but I don't think we'll be embarassed.

Regarding the future, a lot depends upon what Wyc is willing to spend.  We're going to have the ability to greatly exceed the cap over the next season, meaning that in theory we can retain the core of this team while adding good players.  Looking ahead to the 2022 off-season, we will have Bird rights for Richardson, as well as the MLE, a $9.7 million trade exception, and a $17.1 million trade exception.  In theory, we can find a replacement for Schroeder (who will inevitably leave due to lack of options to pay him) while adding two more good rotation players.  That means that potentially we can build a very good surrounding cast around Tatum and Brown.

Now, again, that's all in theory.  It requires Wyc to spend in a way that a top-five franchise in both value and operating income (profit) should.  However, that's all Brad can do:  put the team in a position to succeed.  Outside of a few quibbles, I think he's done that.




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Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2021, 10:29:40 PM »

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Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2021, 11:09:13 PM »

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1. Coach selection and search...I loved the Udoka selection. He has had a lot of time in the Popovich system and also coached some of the biggest stars in the league. I think Brad did his due diligence and I think Brad picked a guy from a system that Stevens feels he can work with. Udoka carries the cache of being under Pop for years and being a former player. So that's a A-

2. The draft...well by the time the team got to the draft they only had the #45 pick and after seeing Begarin in SL, I am going with a B.

Now many will say the draft was a failure as they gave up pick #16 to dump Kemba and this was a great draft. But(big but), Kemba had to go and that was the price. Also(big also), this team didn't need another teenage project on the roster. Bowing out of this draft and using the roster spots on vets was the right move, hence my grade.

3. Trades and free agency...I thought Fournier should have been retained, the heck with Wyc's lack of love for paying the tax for the best team he can get. Kanter, Schroder, Richardson, Bruno, Horford could all still have happened. So could Smart's extension. And all these parts would make for great salary filler if a big name becomes available via trade.

I liked Kemba but it was time to move on. So good trade there. Liked the Richardson pick up. I'm not a huge fan of Schroder but he was dirt cheap so good move.

Taking everything into consideration... B-

4.Overall....I think Brad did well for a first time GM in his first two months. Stabilized the team. Got good new coaching leadership. Brought in some very good complimentary veteran pieces to put around the Jays. Udoka will at least not be forced to play the youth until they are ready to contribute in a positive manner. Moving forward, the team still has the Jays, hopefully a really good coach and some flexibility to rearrange the roster through a couple different avenues, so overall from me.....a solid B.

Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2021, 12:07:04 AM »

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2. The draft...well by the time the team got to the draft they only had the #45 pick and after seeing Begarin in SL, I am going with a B.

Now many will say the draft was a failure as they gave up pick #16 to dump Kemba and this was a great draft. But(big but), Kemba had to go and that was the price. Also(big also), this team didn't need another teenage project on the roster.  B.

Man, I just don't agree with this.  What if you traded the 16th pick that could have been the next Giannis?

Yeah, a middling, young, end of the bench guy?  Sure.  A guy who might be a potential MVP?

I just gotta disagree.  That was a poor move.  I like Roy's idea.

Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2021, 12:12:01 AM »

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Hiring Udoka: Incomplete

I'm not gonna act as if I have an informed opinion on Udoka as a coach. The guy has never been a head coach before. How on earth am I supposed to know whether he's good enough? I guess time will tell.

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Dumping Kemba: D+

Basketball-wise, I like the trade. I think Horford is a starting-caliber Center despite his age. He's also a nice fit on our team.

From an asset management standpoint, I hate the trade.
- Horford is massively overpaid.
- Don't like the fact that Brad finalized the trade way ahead of draft night. Imo, it was a rookie mistake. It's possible we could have gotten better value on draft night.
- The rest of our moves suggest this is probably a bridge year. Not sure why we had to sacrifice a pick to dump Kemba. I mean, it's not like Horford will transform us into legit contenders. We might as well have kept Kemba with a view to trading him next offseason as an expiring.
- First round picks are valuable assets. We gave away a first for a meaningless salary dump. The only one that should be happy with this move is Wyc, cause he saved money.

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JRich trade: A

Love this trade. We added a starting-caliber player on a reasonable contract for basically nothing. I don't rate Moses Brown. Slow-footed behemoths w/o 3pt range aren't starting material in today's NBA. Best case scenario, he's a future backup Center. Worst case scenario, he won't even be in the league in a couple of years.

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Dumping Thompson: B

I'm glad we dumped Thompson. Was never a fan of his game. In a vacuum, I like the players we got. Dunn is possibly the best on-ball guard defender in the NBA (if healthy). Bruno is a decent prospect as a rim runner. Problem is, we don't have a need for them cause we are very deep at the PG and C positions.

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Adding Schroder: A-

Absolute bargain! Only reason I'm not giving this a straight A is cause I don't like the fit of Schroder next to the Jays.

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Drafting Begarin: C

Never heard of the guy prior to draft night. Chances are he's 2 years away from being 2 years away. That said, I like the high-risk, high-reward approach. If you wanna draft a legit talent at #45, you gotta go against the grain or/and draft a raw prospect.

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Letting Semi walk: F

Imo, Semi is a serviceable 3+D swing. I wanted us to re-sign him. No big deal of course. He's just a role player.

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Signing Kanter for the minimum: A

Elite third-string Center. Different type of player compared to our other Centers. He makes us a more versatile team.

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Trading Fournier for a TPE: D

I was OK with this prior to the Smart extension. I'm not anymore. Not sure what's the point in getting the TPE. If Wyc were willing to pay a hefty tax this season, we would have kept Fournier. I guess we're planning to use the TPE during the next offseason? If so, this proves we aren't interested in free agency. Signing a player via cap space would force us to denounce the TPE. Let's face it: Chances are we let Fournier walk cause Wyc wanted to save money. Btw, I'm not a fan of Fournier's game, but that's irrelevant. We lost a valuable asset for a questionable return.

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Smart's extension: C-

The value is OK, I guess. I just don't see the need to re-sign him now. Why not wait till the 2022 offseason? Completely agree with Roy: We could have used our cap space ''to leverage a team (Wizards) to agree to a sign-and-trade with us, or risk losing its player for nothing''.
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Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2021, 01:16:20 AM »

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Seeing a bunch of "incomplete" grades.

Obviously, with the benefit of hindsight, grades can change.

I think you can grade [in the now]. With what we currently know.

Incomplete is otherwise true for anything, ever. Since any trade/hire can end up being a piece that delivers us something bigger. Even by omission.

Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2021, 01:42:50 AM »

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1. Coaching search / hire: A-
I thought the process was sound throughout. Heavy priority on respected assistants with wide-ranging experiences, including experience as a player (which seemed like a must for this group). Brad didn’t rush the process, but he was also one of the first to hire meaning he got his pick of the litter. While all first time head coaches are a wait and see proposition, I have been mostly impressed with Udoka’s disposition and stated philosophies. I think he has a real chance to help bring some added toughness and grit to our personnel (which had not been Brad’s strength the last few years).

2. Horford / Kemba trade: C+
The move makes logical sense, both financially and roster fit-wise. I am happy to have Al back on the team for both on and off court considerations even though he is obviously overpaid for his age/production. That being said, a stretch 5 that can pass/facilitate well and isn’t a sieve defensively is exactly what the Jays need. Going into the off-season, I assumed it would take a first to dump Kemba’s deal, but I hoped it wouldn’t (that we could find 2-3 role players that would help and match salaries and not have to give up a first). All together, I can’t give the move in isolation higher than a C even though I understand why it was done.

3. Trade for Richardson: A-
Good business. Richardson is a legit top 7 rotation player with some versatility, and he is still in his prime. He is solid as is with a bit of upside to maybe recover his Miami days when he played at a very high level. He also brings needed toughness and physicality to the roster. His contract could be ideal as part of a mid-season acquisition, or he is a potential long-term keeper via bird rights next year.

4. Moving on from Fournier / getting TPE: B for Brad / D for Wyc
The contract for Fournier was rich but not unreasonable in the market, especially with a year 4 team option. I was more comfortable with him at 16 or under AAV, but ultimately I would have taken advantage of the bird rights to sign him. He’s a good player. This was clearly a case of Wyc prioritizing savings over better talent as we could have everything else we did this offseason and have Fournier. Brad did well to get a TPE to add an Avenue to get talent in the future if Wyc ever decides to spend like a big boy.

5. Thompson trade: B-
Has to be in the B range since we shaved some $ without having to attach an asset (and actually gaining a 2nd). I don’t mind Dunn and Bruno, but I expect them both to be 3rd stringers if they do make the roster. My biggest issue with this trade is Delon Wright was involved, and we didn’t get him. Had we cut Atlanta out of this deal and traded TT straight up for Delon, that would have been an A move in my opinion.

6. Begarin with pick 45: B-
Again, makes sense. Super young athlete to stash in Europe while we have limited roster spots. If even one of Yam/Begarin turns into a rotation player down the line, that’s good business, and we don’t need more youth at the end of our bench.

7. Hauser on 2-way: A-
This is how you use a 2-way. Hauser has a real NBA skill (catch and shoot) along with solid size. Obviously there are athletic limitations, but he is a far more convincing lottery ticket to shoot for than Tremont or Tacko (who seemed more like novelty acts than legit prospects).

8. Schroder signing: A-
I am not a big Schroder fan, but value is value and one year at 5.9 is a great deal for a productive if flawed top 7 rotation guy.

9. Smart extension: B+
It would have been malpractice not to extend or trade Smart this offseason. I am glad they chose to extend him as I’m a big Smart believer who thinks he will reward them if they commit to handing him the keys to the point guard position (his true best position which should feature his best offensive skill - passing - and mitigate his worst - shooting - this year. To get an A on the extension Stevens would have had to get him at 4/68 or under or get a team option on the final year.

10. Kanter at the minimum: A-
Kanter has his warts, but he is very productive at what he does well. If he is used the way I envision (as a clear 3rd C that provides rest and injury relief for Horford and Timelord but otherwise pulls DNP-CDs or very minimal minutes when both are available), then that is a smart value signing.

Overall Grade: B+
I can’t give it an A. We’re not a top 6 contender in the league right now. We appear solidly in a second tier as a likely playoff team that is not yet considered a true contender. There were a few moves where we didn’t maximize assets or seemed more concerned with finances than talent. But overall, I think we have a better, deeper roster than last year. Furthermore, we have a chance to build a fairly elite defensive unit if Smart, Richardson, and Schroder can fulfill their potential at the point of attack. If we are a top 5 defense and Tatum/Brown take another step forward, we might really be on to something. I also think we have the assets and contracts to be a serious factor in a trade for a star at the deadline (and I always preferred being ready for a major trade than pursuing the fool’s gold of max cap space).

Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2021, 01:47:08 AM »

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Hiring Udoka: Incomplete

I'm not gonna act as if I have an informed opinion on Udoka as a coach. The guy has never been a head coach before. How on earth am I supposed to know whether he's good enough? I guess time will tell.

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Dumping Kemba: D+

Basketball-wise, I like the trade. I think Horford is a starting-caliber Center despite his age. He's also a nice fit on our team.

From an asset management standpoint, I hate the trade.
- Horford is massively overpaid.
- Don't like the fact that Brad finalized the trade way ahead of draft night. Imo, it was a rookie mistake. It's possible we could have gotten better value on draft night.
- The rest of our moves suggest this is probably a bridge year. Not sure why we had to sacrifice a pick to dump Kemba. I mean, it's not like Horford will transform us into legit contenders. We might as well have kept Kemba with a view to trading him next offseason as an expiring.
- First round picks are valuable assets. We gave away a first for a meaningless salary dump. The only one that should be happy with this move is Wyc, cause he saved money.

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JRich trade: A

Love this trade. We added a starting-caliber player on a reasonable contract for basically nothing. I don't rate Moses Brown. Slow-footed behemoths w/o 3pt range aren't starting material in today's NBA. Best case scenario, he's a future backup Center. Worst case scenario, he won't even be in the league in a couple of years.

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Dumping Thompson: B

I'm glad we dumped Thompson. Was never a fan of his game. In a vacuum, I like the players we got. Dunn is possibly the best on-ball guard defender in the NBA (if healthy). Bruno is a decent prospect as a rim runner. Problem is, we don't have a need for them cause we are very deep at the PG and C positions.

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Adding Schroder: A-

Absolute bargain! Only reason I'm not giving this a straight A is cause I don't like the fit of Schroder next to the Jays.

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Drafting Begarin: C

Never heard of the guy prior to draft night. Chances are he's 2 years away from being 2 years away. That said, I like the high-risk, high-reward approach. If you wanna draft a legit talent at #45, you gotta go against the grain or/and draft a raw prospect.

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Letting Semi walk: F

Imo, Semi is a serviceable 3+D swing. I wanted us to re-sign him. No big deal of course. He's just a role player.

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Trading Fournier for a TPE: D

I was OK with this prior to the Smart extension. I'm not anymore. Not sure what's the point in getting the TPE. If Wyc were willing to pay a hefty tax this season, we would have kept Fournier. I guess we're planning to use the TPE during the next offseason? If so, this proves are aren't interested in free agency. Signing a player via cap space would force us to denounce the TPE. Let's face it: We let Fournier walk cause Wyc wanted to save money. Btw, I'm not a fan of Fournier's game, but that's irrelevant. We lost a valuable asset for a questionable return.

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Smart's extension: C-

The value is OK, I guess. I just don't see the need to re-sign him now. Why not wait till the 2022 offseason? Completely agree with Roy: We could have used our cap space ''to leverage a team (Wizards) to agree to a sign-and-trade with us, or risk losing its player for nothing''.

Funny - I am nearly completely opposite! Kemba deal get a A -; J Rich C -; Schroeder A (we agree); Semi A; Trading Fournier A+; Trading Begarin (C we agree); Smart A+
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Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2021, 02:50:44 AM »

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1.  Coaching- C+

2.  The Draft- D

3.  Trades And Free Agency- D

4.  Overall:  2021 Season And Beyond- F
I find this funny. No reasoning, just panning.
Op only asked for grades. But if you want reasoning from me you can ask.

I’d like to hear it, not just from you but from everybody.  If nothing else, it gives us something to look back on in a year or two.
Not like people give me or anyone else any credit for stuff debated on when proven right about. Everyone always has an excuse of why they "could" have been right. But I'll give you reasoning.

1. Good hiring if you want a new face but the guy has no head coaching experience and is taking on a group of guys who have fallen apart multiple years. A guy with experience would have made more sense  IMO.

2. The draft was ruined by the desire to dump Walker and the need to draft a stash guy. BS should have moved Edwards or GW and made use of his picks in a deep draft class. Giving up 16 this draft was like trading a 10th pick in most drafts.

3. Kemba deal was horrible. Thompson deal as well. You became a worse talented team and you lost all flexibility that the team supposedly wanted when they extended Smart. Schroder was nice but he is a MLE player that we got for the Tax MLE. Let's not over celebrate like we did when team got Teague

4. Team still has no clear direction. They look like they want vets and flexibility but then they won't move on from young guys who aren't improving. Then they also extend Smart losing flexibility. Are they in on this year or not? What's the point of having Richardson and Schroeder if they aren't in the long term plan? Shouldn't they develop the youth? What's the goals for the team, Tatum and Brown talked about a transition year and development and C's then add guys that hinder that, unless it's only about the Js development. If it is about the Js didn't Fournier fit better with the Js than Smart? Why let Fournier walk but extend Smart?

That's why it's an F. Too many things clash. When you want to play the middle you end up a 4-8 seed. You have either go for it or commit to developing guys another year and building resources.
I agree with plenty of your points. I kinda disagree with your assessment that we have no clear direction going forward. I mean, we are perfectly equipped to go after Beal/Siakam/Simmons at the trade deadline. This sounds like a clear direction in my book.
  • We got Horford's partially-guaranteed contract for next season.
  • We got expirings in JRich, Schroder and Dunn.
  • We got Smart under team control on a reasonable contract till 2026.
  • We got prospects in Timelord, Nesmith, Pritchard and Romeo.
  • We got all our future firsts intact.
  • We even got a massive TPE in case Wyc would be willing(?) to take back a bad contract as part of a bigger trade (for instance, Bertans from the Wizards). If this is true, then I'm totally fine with letting Fournier walk. We just can't possibly know right now. I'll believe it when I see it.

Horford + prospect(s) + picks for Beal/Siakam would be a valid trade, salary-wise.

Alternatively: Smart + Schroder + JRich + picks for Simmons
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Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2021, 04:52:26 AM »

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Hopefully we still have some minor tinkering to do, but how would you rate Brad so far?  Evaluate him in the following categories:


1.  Coaching Search (C)
We signed a guy who has zero head coaching experience, who I'm realy not that famillar either.  Hard for me to get overwhelmingly excited.  But on the plus side he is a former player which should earn SOME level of respect from the team, and he's a guy who made his career as a physical, hard-nosed defensive guy which I feel can only be a positive change compared with Brad Steven's Marshmallow-soft coaching style from the past few years. I give a middle of the road C until we get to see himin action.


2.  The Draft (D)
We did nothing pretty much.  First time in years that I didn't even watch the draft.  Had zero interest given the optoins the team had available. 


3.  Trades And Free Agency (C)
This was looking like it was going to be a solid D- at one point, but then Brad saved face by fluking the Schroeder deal and by signing Kanter for pretty much nothing.  I liked both those deals, so that pushed it to a B+.  Considering that he was reportedly trying to save cap space for a max free agent next year, these were good low cost moves.

Then I heard Brd re-signed Smart (an overglorified role player) for the very same money he let Fournier walk for, which absoltely unfuriated me since right now we need shooting/scoring far more then we need more defenders with broken jump shots...so that propelled him way down to a D+.

Then he got a bit more of my favour back by durner the Fournier scenario into a S&T and bringing back a solid little TPE for added future flexibility.  This brings his final score to a C.   


4.  Overall:  2021 Season And Beyond (C-)
I'm giving an overall C- because I think Brad could have done much worse, but also think he made a number of pretty questionable decisions...and if not for the Schroeder signing (which I really cant give him credit for since it was pretty much pure blind luck) it would have been a total disaster.

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Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2021, 04:55:58 AM »

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2. The draft...well by the time the team got to the draft they only had the #45 pick and after seeing Begarin in SL, I am going with a B.

Now many will say the draft was a failure as they gave up pick #16 to dump Kemba and this was a great draft. But(big but), Kemba had to go and that was the price. Also(big also), this team didn't need another teenage project on the roster.  B.

Man, I just don't agree with this.  What if you traded the 16th pick that could have been the next Giannis?

Yeah, a middling, young, end of the bench guy?  Sure.  A guy who might be a potential MVP?

You're going to propose making decisions based on the possibility of a one in a million situation coming true? 

Ok maybe not one in a million, but how many times in the past 30 years has a player taken outside of the top 15 developed into a top 5 player?

Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2021, 05:13:55 AM »

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Coaching gets a D
Free Agency gets a D

Udoka has some Lloyd Pierce in him with his need to publicly challenge players. Doubt that ends well for Udoka either.

Adding players that can’t shoot from the perimeter is the opposite of where the league is going. Someone should tell Stevens this isn’t the 90’s where Pat Riley style defense makes you a contender.

This is a six or seven seed at best. Just a waste of a Jays season.

Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2021, 05:52:40 AM »

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Coaching: C.  Thought it was important to get a players coach and a coach of color to better jive with the players and to help sort of dispel the perception of Boston (whether fair or unfair). Udoka has said all the right things but his lack of experience worries me. Also, a lot of these Spurs disciples have sort of flamed out. Popovic coaching tree resembles the Belichick tree: lots of good coordinators but none have materialized into a good coach.

Draft: C. Basically made the pick in the 2nd round because they had to. Unlikely Begarin turns on to anything but don’t think they want anyone young projects on the roster so draft and stash made sense. Time will tell if Begarin can turn into a solid role player.

Free agency/Trades: C. I like Schroder. Think he is good insurance and fills a big need. Getting him at that price was a steal. Meh on Kanter but I can understand the need/fit/role and he was cheap. I was confused by their lack of involvement on Fournier as it seems to be a pure cost cutting/luxury tax move. At least they got a TPE for him so they can kick the van down the road. Richardson is also ok move for the rest of the TPE. If he remembers how to shoot he might be useful. Not a fan of the Smart extension mostly because I think Smart is incredibly overrated but the actual numbers aren’t a total catastrophe and I guess Smart could be traded in the future. Kemba move I liked because PBS didn’t diddle dally around and just got rid of him as his first move. Needed to be made.

Future: C. Biggest issue is lack of clear direction by management. They have limited time to convinces JB and JT to stay and ensure this is an actual contender situation. They have lost an incredible amount of high end talent the last few years that they have not really replaced. A lot is hinging on JB and JT and not sure they hve to right surrounding cast to make this team the championship contender we want them to be. They have some prospects and expiring deals but not sure what FA or disgruntled star they could target that really make sense.

Re: Grade Our Off-Season
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2021, 08:15:04 AM »

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Coaching:  B-  I have no idea what Ime is going to do.  I am not upset about any of the other coaches we didn't get.  You kind of have to grade this on a curve.  What was the highest possible score vs how did we do?

Draft:  B+  I like the looks of Juhann Begarin based on summer league.  And in terms of the 1st Round pick, we traded that for Moses Brown (which I was fine with) and then traded Brown for Richardson.  So we drafted Richardson.  I think that is pretty good.

Trades/Moves:  C+  I have already credited Richardson for the first round pick so that leaves as the key moves Kemba/Fournier/Thompson/Ojeleye/Kornet out, Horford/Schroder/Kanter/Dunn/Fernando in.  That is a lot of shuffling of deck chairs in my mind.  Mostly shorter contracts/less money but Smart extended.  And we got a TPE.  Overall, I give this above neutral due to the added flexibility we now have.  Fournier is the one likely productive asset lost but we "drafted" Richardson to fill that in.

Overall:  B-  We need a PF and didn't get one.  We didn't need a starting PG but got one on a really good deal.  I think we are a little better off overall due largely to flexibility.