Celtics trade 2 second round picks in a S&T involving Evan Fournier to New York

[Jvalin]

2022 expirings that fit:

JaMichael Green
Nurcic
Covington
Bagley

JaMychal Green ain't an expiring. He signed a 2 year / $17,000,000 contract with the Nuggets.

My favorite targets on expiring deals would be Joe ingles and Kyle Anderson. Don't think any of them are available right now. I guess Anderson might become available at the deadline (?). Thad Young may be an intriguing option as well.

Not an expiring, but I'd love us to go after Christian Wood.

Pulled off HoopsHype, I missed that. Thanks.

Joe Ingles is not getting traded IMO. He is major piece of Jazz team.  And not the type of dude to demand a trade.

Yeah, I don't expect Ingles to become available either. That said, I reckon he'd be an amazing fit on the C's.

Not sure what's the point in talking about expiring contracts anymore. I mean, Smart signed an extension. We won't have max cap space next summer.

There are several ways to still create max cap space next summer

No, there are not. Even if we dump everybody else (which won't happen obviously), we still won't have enough cap space to sign Beal.

1. Tatum $30,351,780
2. Brown $26,669,643
3. Smart $17,207,142
4. rookie minimum $979,466
5. rookie minimum $979,466
6. rookie minimum $979,466
7. rookie minimum $979,466
8. rookie minimum $979,466
9. rookie minimum $979,466
10. rookie minimum $979,466
11. rookie minimum $979,466
12. rookie minimum $979,466

dead salary
Jackson $92,857

Total: $83,136,616

Cap Projection: $119,000,000

This means we'd have $35,863,384 in cap space. Beal's max will start at $41,650,000. Even in this extreme and totally unrealistic scenario, we'd still be $5,786,616 short of Beal's max.

If you include Pritchard, Nesmith and 2022 first, we won't even have enough cap space to go after max free agents with 0-6 years of experience. Their max starts at 25% of the cap, but most of them are restricted anyway.

Small thing, but you have too many minimum contracts.  We only have to have enough to get up to 12 roster spots.  If we include Pritchard, Nesmith, and a 1st in late 20s, and drop the corresponding minimums, we have room for a 25% max.  Probably not the direction we're going, but technically possible under your assumptions.

EDIT:  I think you edited your post while I was typing.  Or am I hallucinating?

Yeah, I realized it too and I edited the original post. You must have replied right after the edit.

You are right, of course. TP!

[pearljammer10]

2022 expirings that fit:

JaMichael Green
Nurcic
Covington
Bagley

JaMychal Green ain't an expiring. He signed a 2 year / $17,000,000 contract with the Nuggets.

My favorite targets on expiring deals would be Joe ingles and Kyle Anderson. Don't think any of them are available right now. I guess Anderson might become available at the deadline (?). Thad Young may be an intriguing option as well.

Not an expiring, but I'd love us to go after Christian Wood.

Pulled off HoopsHype, I missed that. Thanks.

Joe Ingles is not getting traded IMO. He is major piece of Jazz team.  And not the type of dude to demand a trade.

Yeah, I don't expect Ingles to become available either. That said, I reckon he'd be an amazing fit on the C's.

Not sure what's the point in talking about expiring contracts anymore. I mean, Smart signed an extension. We won't have max cap space next summer.

There are several ways to still create max cap space next summer

No, there are not. Even if we dump everybody else (which won't happen obviously), we still won't have enough cap space to sign Beal.

1. Tatum $30,351,780
2. Brown $26,669,643
3. Smart $17,207,142
4. rookie minimum $979,466
5. rookie minimum $979,466
6. rookie minimum $979,466
7. rookie minimum $979,466
8. rookie minimum $979,466
9. rookie minimum $979,466
10. rookie minimum $979,466
11. rookie minimum $979,466
12. rookie minimum $979,466

dead salary
Jackson $92,857

Total: $83,136,616

Cap Projection: $119,000,000

This means we'd have $35,863,384 in cap space. Beal's max will start at $41,650,000. Even in this extreme and totally unrealistic scenario, we'd still be $5,786,616 short of Beal's max.

If you include Pritchard and Nesmith and stretch Horford's non-guaranteed salary for next season, we won't even have enough cap space to go after max free agents with 0-6 years of experience. Their max starts at 25% of the cap, but max candidates are usually restricted FAs anyway.

Yeah the only way to get a max player is to trade for one. The Smart deal allows us to use Horford’s salary with a package of young guys and picks to try and go after someone who becomes available.

[Walker Wiggle]

I'm in the camp that believes this was done with next off season in mind. I see no indication that the front-office and ownership wants to pay the tax this season, preferring to "start the clock" on the repeater tax next season, assuming there's a contending-quality roster in place.

What's a realistic best-case scenario for next offseason? I'm thinking:
- trade Horford plus young players and/or picks for a max-level contract
- extend Smart (already done)
- use the various TPEs plus remaining picks to round out the roster with useful veterans

I suppose there's a possibility they see the opening THIS YEAR and go for it. That is, some superstar gets disgruntled and you're able to pull off the first point above (trade using Horford's contract), then you start hunting around for players to add with the TPEs in a bid to challenge for a title. Sounds unlikely? Keep in mind that at the start of last season, we were still thinking Giannis was going to flee Milwaukee, and had no idea Harden intended to muscle his way out of Houston. Things change fast.

[Jvalin]

2022 expirings that fit:

JaMichael Green
Nurcic
Covington
Bagley

JaMychal Green ain't an expiring. He signed a 2 year / $17,000,000 contract with the Nuggets.

My favorite targets on expiring deals would be Joe ingles and Kyle Anderson. Don't think any of them are available right now. I guess Anderson might become available at the deadline (?). Thad Young may be an intriguing option as well.

Not an expiring, but I'd love us to go after Christian Wood.

Pulled off HoopsHype, I missed that. Thanks.

Joe Ingles is not getting traded IMO. He is major piece of Jazz team.  And not the type of dude to demand a trade.

Yeah, I don't expect Ingles to become available either. That said, I reckon he'd be an amazing fit on the C's.

Not sure what's the point in talking about expiring contracts anymore. I mean, Smart signed an extension. We won't have max cap space next summer.

There are several ways to still create max cap space next summer

No, there are not. Even if we dump everybody else (which won't happen obviously), we still won't have enough cap space to sign Beal.

1. Tatum $30,351,780
2. Brown $26,669,643
3. Smart $17,207,142
4. rookie minimum $979,466
5. rookie minimum $979,466
6. rookie minimum $979,466
7. rookie minimum $979,466
8. rookie minimum $979,466
9. rookie minimum $979,466
10. rookie minimum $979,466
11. rookie minimum $979,466
12. rookie minimum $979,466

dead salary
Jackson $92,857

Total: $83,136,616

Cap Projection: $119,000,000

This means we'd have $35,863,384 in cap space. Beal's max will start at $41,650,000. Even in this extreme and totally unrealistic scenario, we'd still be $5,786,616 short of Beal's max.

If you include Pritchard and Nesmith and stretch Horford's non-guaranteed salary for next season, we won't even have enough cap space to go after max free agents with 0-6 years of experience. Their max starts at 25% of the cap, but max candidates are usually restricted FAs anyway.

Yeah the only way to get a max player is to trade for one. The Smart deal allows us to use Horford’s salary with a package of young guys and picks to try and go after someone who becomes available.

We could have done that before the Smart deal too.

Don't think the Smart deal changes all that much, expect from the fact that we won't have max cap space next summer. Plenty of posters didn't want us to go after a max free agent anyway, cause we'd have to gut our team in the process. Maybe it's better this way. Like you said, we can still go after a 3rd star via a trade. If anything, the Smart deal makes it a bit easier to go after Ben Simmons.  I mean, Philly would probably have zero interest in re-acquiring Horford. I assume they'd prefer to have Smart on a 5-year contract rather than on an expiring.

Smart* + Schroder + JRich + pick(s) for Simmons would be a valid trade, salary-wise.

That said, I fully realize Simmons is a polarizing player. Not sure whether Brad likes his game.

*I believe we can trade Smart at the deadline. Normally we'd have to wait 6 months till after he signed his extension, but I believe the rules have changed due to the shortened season.

[liam]

"The Knicks‘ have turned their free agent agreement with swingman Evan Fournier into a sign-and-trade deal with the Celtics, announcing today in a press release that they’ve officially acquired Fournier and two future second-round picks from Boston in exchange for cash. Fournier received a four-year deal that includes a fourth-year team option and can reportedly be worth up to $78MM.

Turning the transaction into a sign-and-trade will allow the Celtics to create a traded player exception worth Fournier’s first-year salary. That new trade exception will be worth $17.1MM, tweets Adam Himmelsbach of The Boston Globe."

Another TPE

[Celtics2021]

"The Knicks‘ have turned their free agent agreement with swingman Evan Fournier into a sign-and-trade deal with the Celtics, announcing today in a press release that they’ve officially acquired Fournier and two future second-round picks from Boston in exchange for cash. Fournier received a four-year deal that includes a fourth-year team option and can reportedly be worth up to $78MM.

Turning the transaction into a sign-and-trade will allow the Celtics to create a traded player exception worth Fournier’s first-year salary. That new trade exception will be worth $17.1MM, tweets Adam Himmelsbach of The Boston Globe."

Another TPE

Where have you been?  The thread on this is already 5 pages long!   

[BitterJim]

Looks like all we're giving up is a 2nd that'll be in the 50s. That's a good deal for the added flexibility (especially if we start the season well and want to add someone near the deadline)

[Tr1boy]

"The Knicks‘ have turned their free agent agreement with swingman Evan Fournier into a sign-and-trade deal with the Celtics, announcing today in a press release that they’ve officially acquired Fournier and two future second-round picks from Boston in exchange for cash. Fournier received a four-year deal that includes a fourth-year team option and can reportedly be worth up to $78MM.

Turning the transaction into a sign-and-trade will allow the Celtics to create a traded player exception worth Fournier’s first-year salary. That new trade exception will be worth $17.1MM, tweets Adam Himmelsbach of The Boston Globe."

Another TPE

Imo smells like TPE to absorb Bertans contract...to try to entice Wiz to trade Beal to Celts

[footey]

2022 expirings that fit:

JaMichael Green
Nurcic
Covington
Bagley

JaMychal Green ain't an expiring. He signed a 2 year / $17,000,000 contract with the Nuggets.

My favorite targets on expiring deals would be Joe ingles and Kyle Anderson. Don't think any of them are available right now. I guess Anderson might become available at the deadline (?). Thad Young may be an intriguing option as well.

Not an expiring, but I'd love us to go after Christian Wood.

Pulled off HoopsHype, I missed that. Thanks.

Joe Ingles is not getting traded IMO. He is major piece of Jazz team.  And not the type of dude to demand a trade.

Yeah, I don't expect Ingles to become available either. That said, I reckon he'd be an amazing fit on the C's.

Not sure what's the point in talking about expiring contracts anymore. I mean, Smart signed an extension. We won't have max cap space next summer.

WE just got a $17.1 M TPE exception.   That is why I was listing expiring contracts up to that amount.  That is how we got Fournier this season, using TPE.  Nothing to do with cap space.

[liam]

"The Knicks‘ have turned their free agent agreement with swingman Evan Fournier into a sign-and-trade deal with the Celtics, announcing today in a press release that they’ve officially acquired Fournier and two future second-round picks from Boston in exchange for cash. Fournier received a four-year deal that includes a fourth-year team option and can reportedly be worth up to $78MM.

Turning the transaction into a sign-and-trade will allow the Celtics to create a traded player exception worth Fournier’s first-year salary. That new trade exception will be worth $17.1MM, tweets Adam Himmelsbach of The Boston Globe."

Another TPE

Imo smells like TPE to absorb Bertans contract...to try to entice Wiz to trade Beal to Celts

Don't we already have Howitzer?

[Celtics2021]

2022 expirings that fit:

JaMichael Green
Nurcic
Covington
Bagley

JaMychal Green ain't an expiring. He signed a 2 year / $17,000,000 contract with the Nuggets.

My favorite targets on expiring deals would be Joe ingles and Kyle Anderson. Don't think any of them are available right now. I guess Anderson might become available at the deadline (?). Thad Young may be an intriguing option as well.

Not an expiring, but I'd love us to go after Christian Wood.

Pulled off HoopsHype, I missed that. Thanks.

Joe Ingles is not getting traded IMO. He is major piece of Jazz team.  And not the type of dude to demand a trade.

Yeah, I don't expect Ingles to become available either. That said, I reckon he'd be an amazing fit on the C's.

Not sure what's the point in talking about expiring contracts anymore. I mean, Smart signed an extension. We won't have max cap space next summer.

WE just got a $17.1 M TPE exception.   That is why I was listing expiring contracts up to that amount.  That is how we got Fournier this season, using TPE.  Nothing to do with cap space.

I think the TPE is a minimum of $18.1 million.  If Fournier got $78 million, that’s the lowest his year 1 salary could be with max raises to get to $78 million.  Since his last year isn’t guaranteed, it may even be a little higher, as often the non-guaranteed year doesn’t include a raise so the player gets more in guaranteed money.  But that’s unclear as of now.

[footey]

2022 expirings that fit:

JaMichael Green
Nurcic
Covington
Bagley

JaMychal Green ain't an expiring. He signed a 2 year / $17,000,000 contract with the Nuggets.

My favorite targets on expiring deals would be Joe ingles and Kyle Anderson. Don't think any of them are available right now. I guess Anderson might become available at the deadline (?). Thad Young may be an intriguing option as well.

Not an expiring, but I'd love us to go after Christian Wood.

Pulled off HoopsHype, I missed that. Thanks.

Joe Ingles is not getting traded IMO. He is major piece of Jazz team.  And not the type of dude to demand a trade.

Yeah, I don't expect Ingles to become available either. That said, I reckon he'd be an amazing fit on the C's.

Not sure what's the point in talking about expiring contracts anymore. I mean, Smart signed an extension. We won't have max cap space next summer.

WE just got a $17.1 M TPE exception.   That is why I was listing expiring contracts up to that amount.  That is how we got Fournier this season, using TPE.  Nothing to do with cap space.

I think the TPE is a minimum of $18.1 million.  If Fournier got $78 million, that’s the lowest his year 1 salary could be with max raises to get to $78 million.  Since his last year isn’t guaranteed, it may even be a little higher, as often the non-guaranteed year doesn’t include a raise so the player gets more in guaranteed money.  But that’s unclear as of now.

The more the better. Let’s wait for dust to settle. I had read it was 17.1.

[Tr1boy]

"The Knicks‘ have turned their free agent agreement with swingman Evan Fournier into a sign-and-trade deal with the Celtics, announcing today in a press release that they’ve officially acquired Fournier and two future second-round picks from Boston in exchange for cash. Fournier received a four-year deal that includes a fourth-year team option and can reportedly be worth up to $78MM.

Turning the transaction into a sign-and-trade will allow the Celtics to create a traded player exception worth Fournier’s first-year salary. That new trade exception will be worth $17.1MM, tweets Adam Himmelsbach of The Boston Globe."

Another TPE

Imo smells like TPE to absorb Bertans contract...to try to entice Wiz to trade Beal to Celts

Don't we already have Howitzer?

Brad likes his vets

But also...need some kind of edge over other teams in Beal sweepstakes

[Moranis]

"The Knicks‘ have turned their free agent agreement with swingman Evan Fournier into a sign-and-trade deal with the Celtics, announcing today in a press release that they’ve officially acquired Fournier and two future second-round picks from Boston in exchange for cash. Fournier received a four-year deal that includes a fourth-year team option and can reportedly be worth up to $78MM.

Turning the transaction into a sign-and-trade will allow the Celtics to create a traded player exception worth Fournier’s first-year salary. That new trade exception will be worth $17.1MM, tweets Adam Himmelsbach of The Boston Globe."

Another TPE

Imo smells like TPE to absorb Bertans contract...to try to entice Wiz to trade Beal to Celts

Don't we already have Howitzer?

Brad likes his vets

But also...need some kind of edge over other teams in Beal sweepstakes

Don't need the TPE if Horford goes to Washington.  Horford + Richardson + 1 young player = enough salary to take on both Beal and Bertans.  Could also get there keeping Richardson and using Dunn + Langford + Nesmith + 1 other player. 

So I think you could do something like this

Horford, Richardson, Nesmith, 22 1st (unprotected), 24 1st (top 4), 26 1st (top 4)

for

Beal, Bertans

then

acquire KCP into the TPE for a 2nd round pick

Final Roster

PG - Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn, Edwards
SG - Beal, Smart, KCP, Langford
SF - Brown
PF - Tatum, Bertans, G. Williams, Fernando or Parker
C - R. Williams, Kanter

Main 9-man rotation would be Schroder, Pritchard, Beal, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Bertans, R. Williams, Kanter.  That roster has a lot of flexibility in going big or small, offense or defense, etc.

You acquire KCP for insurance because good chance Smart, Beal, and Brown will miss a bunch of games (since they pretty much always do), though could be done without getting KCP if Boston wanted to have a bit more flexibility in the future. 

[liam]

"The Knicks‘ have turned their free agent agreement with swingman Evan Fournier into a sign-and-trade deal with the Celtics, announcing today in a press release that they’ve officially acquired Fournier and two future second-round picks from Boston in exchange for cash. Fournier received a four-year deal that includes a fourth-year team option and can reportedly be worth up to $78MM.

Turning the transaction into a sign-and-trade will allow the Celtics to create a traded player exception worth Fournier’s first-year salary. That new trade exception will be worth $17.1MM, tweets Adam Himmelsbach of The Boston Globe."

Another TPE

Imo smells like TPE to absorb Bertans contract...to try to entice Wiz to trade Beal to Celts

Don't we already have Howitzer?

Brad likes his vets

But also...need some kind of edge over other teams in Beal sweepstakes

Yeah... I can see that. Bertans might be unplayable in the playoffs due to his horrid D.