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Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2021, 08:30:38 AM »

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Schroder is a good pick up from a value standpoint, that is of course clear.  He is a starting level PG who could be starting on a championship contending team (Lakers) on an $84M contract had things worked out differently (albeit he may have been traded to WAS for Westbrook but who knows).  It is also true that having Schroder and Smart on the roster, essentially two starting level PGs, does create a logjam on the roster at the PG/Combo Guard slot.

This was beaten to death in other threads.  The current roster is not ideal.  I actually think that Schroder is more of a true PG and will be perhaps a tick better than Smart in that specific role.  Smart is far more versatile and will add value that Schroder can't in several other roles.  But Richardson can provide much of what Smart can in these other roles.

My point is that I think one of Smart, Schroder, or Richardson should be traded for a PF.  We could give up any one of these 3 and the other 2 can cover it.  Doesn't seem like that type of trade is going to happen before the start of the season.  Smart may not be a starter (I don't think he cares) but should see starter minutes.  Smart has traditionally been on the court at crunch time so we will see how that works out.

Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2021, 09:14:39 AM »

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Celtics have $30 million in expiring contracts.  Adding 6 million to the total expiring may end up being worth it by itself. If they are top 4 at trading deadline, they will have the opportunity to make a lot of moves.  Schroeder at 5.9 million can easily be moved if he isn’t working out he can just be cut.  If he has a season like he had with OKC then the Celtics will have hit a home run.

Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2021, 09:48:53 AM »

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Schoeder and Richardson and Dunn have no future in Beantown.

Eh, not so sure about that. Schroeder is probably one-and-done because they won't have Bird Rights on him, but Richardson's contract comes with his full Bird Rights and Dunn (if he isn't moved and is actually healthy) will have Early Bird Rights (which will be more than enough to re-sign him in 99% of outcomes).

Richardson especially I could see re-signed next summer if he doesn't go out in a trade at the deadline, because I don't think anyone's breaking the bank for him but he should be fairly useful.

Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2021, 10:29:54 AM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series. I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
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Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2021, 10:36:56 AM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series.I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
That's very optimistic - I have us finishing anywhere from 6th to 10th in the East next season.
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Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2021, 01:02:11 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series.I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
That's very optimistic - I have us finishing anywhere from 6th to 10th in the East next season.
Assuming reasonable health from all teams, I'd say Boston is clearly behind Milwaukee, Brooklyn, and Philadelphia and probably a tick behind Miami.  So I'd put us at 5 as I think Boston is a tick better than Atlanta, but a good deal better than NY, Chicago, Indiana, Charlotte, etc.  I'd be pretty surprised if Boston wasn't a top 6 team especially since I think they have pretty solid depth (everywhere except PF) so they may even perform better than their talent in the regular season. 
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Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2021, 03:02:37 PM »

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I think they signed Schröder for insurance, but mainly to trade him at the deadline for something useful, which then could be used in a package to trade for a bigger name.

Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2021, 03:47:24 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series.I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
That's very optimistic - I have us finishing anywhere from 6th to 10th in the East next season.

Which teams in the East other than the Bucks and Nets have a better starting 5 than Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, Horford? I’m not seeing any.
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Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2021, 04:04:31 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series.I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
That's very optimistic - I have us finishing anywhere from 6th to 10th in the East next season.

Which teams other than the Bucks and Nets have a better starting 5 than Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, Horford? I’m not seeing any.

Is Richardson starting? I think we'd need some more shooting from that spot. The only locks to me are Tatum, Brown, and Smart with the rest to be sorted out in training camp. But to answer your question, Miami: Lowry/Robinson/Butler/Bam, Atlanta: Trae/Bogdan/Collins/Capela are more well-rounded bases for starting lineups than ours. More versatility, more size, more shooting.
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Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2021, 04:14:40 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series.I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
That's very optimistic - I have us finishing anywhere from 6th to 10th in the East next season.

Which teams other than the Bucks and Nets have a better starting 5 than Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, Horford? I’m not seeing any.

Is Richardson starting? I think we'd need some more shooting from that spot. The only locks to me are Tatum, Brown, and Smart with the rest to be sorted out in training camp. But to answer your question, Miami: Lowry/Robinson/Butler/Bam, Atlanta: Trae/Bogdan/Collins/Capela are more well-rounded bases for starting lineups than ours. More versatility, more size, more shooting.
The Sixers are also probably better just because of how good Embiid is and it isn't like Curry, Green, Simmons, and Harris are scrubs.
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Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2021, 04:25:20 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series.I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
That's very optimistic - I have us finishing anywhere from 6th to 10th in the East next season.

Which teams other than the Bucks and Nets have a better starting 5 than Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, Horford? I’m not seeing any.

Is Richardson starting? I think we'd need some more shooting from that spot. The only locks to me are Tatum, Brown, and Smart with the rest to be sorted out in training camp. But to answer your question, Miami: Lowry/Robinson/Butler/Bam, Atlanta: Trae/Bogdan/Collins/Capela are more well-rounded bases for starting lineups than ours. More versatility, more size, more shooting.
The Sixers are also probably better just because of how good Embiid is and it isn't like Curry, Green, Simmons, and Harris are scrubs.

I left Philly out because of the Simmons situation, but I agree.
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Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2021, 05:29:56 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series.I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
That's very optimistic - I have us finishing anywhere from 6th to 10th in the East next season.

Which teams other than the Bucks and Nets have a better starting 5 than Smart, Richardson, Brown, Tatum, Horford? I’m not seeing any.

Is Richardson starting? I think we'd need some more shooting from that spot. The only locks to me are Tatum, Brown, and Smart with the rest to be sorted out in training camp. But to answer your question, Miami: Lowry/Robinson/Butler/Bam, Atlanta: Trae/Bogdan/Collins/Capela are more well-rounded bases for starting lineups than ours. More versatility, more size, more shooting.

I certainly hope Richardson is starting. I don’t want Smart or Schröder playing off the ball. 

Lowry=Smart/Schröder, Robinson<Richardson/Smart Butler<Brown, Tucker<Tatum, Bam>Horford.

Trae>Smart/Schröder, Brogdon/Hunter=Richardson, Huerter<Brown, Collins<Tatum, Capela<Horford. Again the C’s have better starters. Young is 6’1 so he’s the smallest player on either team, SG, SF, PF positions are the same height and The hawks are bigger at Center.
So their starters are not bigger. Shooting is about a wash too, Capela can’t shoot at all, Hunter is a poor shooter and Trae shot 34% from 3pt last year. 

The C’s have the two best players when they match up with either team as well.
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Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2021, 06:29:28 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series.I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
That's very optimistic - I have us finishing anywhere from 6th to 10th in the East next season.
10th is an absurdly pessimistic prediction. There are maybe 5 teams that are categorically better than us on paper
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2021, 07:35:13 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series.I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
That's very optimistic - I have us finishing anywhere from 6th to 10th in the East next season.
10th is an absurdly pessimistic prediction. There are maybe 5 teams that are categorically better than us on paper

Other than the obvious, Brooklyn and Milwaukee, who do you have? Embiid is a monster for Philly, but after that... the Simmons situation is a mess, Tobias Harris is a good player, but he’s never been an all star. I’m not that impressed with their roster after Embiid.
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Re: About the Schröder signing...
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2021, 07:46:16 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

I think the C’s will be better than last year, but unless 2 of the Nets, Lakers, and Bucks star players get hurt, the C’s are not going to be beating them in a 7 game series.I could see Boston finishing anywhere from a 3 seed to a 6th in the East.
That's very optimistic - I have us finishing anywhere from 6th to 10th in the East next season.
10th is an absurdly pessimistic prediction. There are maybe 5 teams that are categorically better than us on paper

Other than the obvious, Brooklyn and Milwaukee, who do you have? Embiid is a monster for Philly, but after that... the Simmons situation is a mess, Tobias Harris is a good player, but he’s never been an all star. I’m not that impressed with their roster after Embiid.
I think Philly is a really strong regular season team, as they were last season. I think Miami has the potential to be a top 4 team, and the Hawks are on the same level to us. My early rankings in the East:
1. Brooklyn
2. Milwaukee
3. Philadelphia
4. Miami
5. Boston
6. Atlanta
7. New York
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)