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About the Schröder signing...
« on: August 16, 2021, 09:46:22 PM »

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The Schröder signing was a good move, as they got him on the cheap, but do the C’s really need him? Over the past 5 seasons, he’s been averaging 30 minutes a game. I can’t imagine he signed a “prove it” contract only to play 20-25mpg. This is going to reduce the playing time at PG for Smart who according to Ime,  wants to run the offense more and Prichard who looks like he’s taking his game to The next level with both passing and scoring. I can’t see Payton getting minutes at SG and if Smart is getting the vast majority of his minutes at the 2, where does that leave Richardson? He’s another player who has been averaging 30+ minutes per game over the last 5 season. And what about Nesmith who looks to have improved considerably. Guess Romeo won’t be playing at all.

I feel like with Marcus signing the extension, improved play by both Pritchard/Nesmith, and the fact that the C’s wont be able to re-sign Schröder, it may be best to trade him for whatever they can get. I don’t think Dennis makes sense on this team anymore.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2021, 09:54:28 PM by Goldstar88 »
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Re: About the Schröder signing....
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2021, 09:48:35 PM »

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Schroder will get minutes at both guard spots, and is totally worth the deal. The guy who's out of the picture is Dunn. I see Smart, Schroder and Pritchard getting all the available minutes.

Overall, a massive improvement at the guard spot. Last year we had Kemba part time, and when he was there he was a complete defensive liability and out of synch with the team on offense. We had Smart with an undefined role, and Pritchard taking on too much responsibility and even starting for part of the season. We had Waters and Edwards at key points in part of the season.

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2021, 09:49:57 PM »

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Schroder will get minutes at both guard spots, and is totally worth the deal. The guy who's out of the picture is Dunn. I see Smart, Schroder and Pritchard getting all the available minutes.

Yeah, with a little Richardson thrown in as well. The Celtics will need to unload Dunn's contract at some point before the deadline.

I think the Celtics plan to play at least 10-15 minutes a game with Tatum at the 4, depending on the matchup. That will enable them to have 3 of Smart-Brown-Schroder-Pritchard-Richardson-Nesmith-Langford out there. Not perfect, but it'll be okay.

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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2021, 09:52:10 PM »

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Schroder will get minutes at both guard spots, and is totally worth the deal. The guy who's out of the picture is Dunn. I see Smart, Schroder and Pritchard getting all the available minutes.

 If Smart, Schröder, and Pritchard are getting all of the minutes at the 1 and 2, where does that leave Richardson, Nesmith, and Langford. Are they going to share the 15 available Bench minutes at the 3?
« Last Edit: August 16, 2021, 09:59:31 PM by Goldstar88 »
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2021, 09:54:42 PM »

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Schroder will get minutes at both guard spots, and is totally worth the deal. The guy who's out of the picture is Dunn. I see Smart, Schroder and Pritchard getting all the available minutes.

 If Smart, Schröder, and Pritchard are getting all of the minutes that the 1 and 2, where does that leave Richardson, Nesmith and Langford. Are they going to share the 15 available Bench minutes at the 3?

Langford is a bust. He won't get minutes.
That leaves 7-8 minutes for the Nesmith and Richardson, assuming no injuries for any other players, which won't be the case. All this depth is great. Schroder signing was a fantastic get.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2021, 09:54:43 PM »

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Schroder will get minutes at both guard spots, and is totally worth the deal. The guy who's out of the picture is Dunn. I see Smart, Schroder and Pritchard getting all the available minutes.

 If Smart, Schröder, and Pritchard are getting all of the minutes at the 1 and 2, where does that leave Richardson, Nesmith and Langford. Are they going to share the 15 available Bench minutes at the 3?


Richardson and Nesmith will get minutes, Langford not so much. I can see why letting Fournier go was a good idea.

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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2021, 10:03:00 PM »

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Schroder will get minutes at both guard spots, and is totally worth the deal. The guy who's out of the picture is Dunn. I see Smart, Schroder and Pritchard getting all the available minutes.

 If Smart, Schröder, and Pritchard are getting all of the minutes at the 1 and 2, where does that leave Richardson, Nesmith and Langford. Are they going to share the 15 available Bench minutes at the 3?


Richardson and Nesmith will get minutes, Langford not so much. I can see why letting Fournier go was a good idea.

Right, Richardson and Nesmith would have to share 15mins, since Brown is going to play 35mpg. Then Romeo will be a DNP every game. That doesn’t seem like a good plan.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2021, 10:12:54 PM by Goldstar88 »
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2021, 10:09:22 PM »

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Schroeder is a good player who fell out of the sky on a one-year deal and probably will be moving on next summer. He'll get the chance to compete with Richardson for the last starting spot or he'll be a super-sub, but if he turns into a problem it's easy enough to trade or waive him at his dollar amount. Even more so if Dunn is still on the team.

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2021, 10:17:00 PM »

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I think Schroder for cheap is still a net positive. I don’t think anybody has been guaranteed a specific amount of playing time so the healthy competition will hopefully bring out everyone’s competitive juices. It also gives us PG depth.

Smart’s extension doesn’t necessarily mean that he’ll be here the whole time. If Beal becomes available then he’ll probably be part of whatever  package is offered. If Beal stays in Washington, Smart will still be a valuable trading chip. Smart gave us a huge discount last time, and he really deserves this new contract I think. Whether he plays out those five years in Celtic Green is the real question.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2021, 10:23:26 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2021, 11:43:27 PM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2021, 12:19:38 AM by Goldstar88 »
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2021, 12:33:23 AM »

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Schoeder and Richardson and Dunn have no future in Beantown. They should be used with that in mind unless one of them really rise up and stake a claim. Everyone seems down on Langford but I still think he will surprize. Nesmith and Pritchard are probably the best 3pt shooters on the team they have to play real minnutes. 

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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2021, 12:45:40 AM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2021, 01:18:39 AM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

Much better team than last year, that’s for sure.

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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2021, 08:27:34 AM »

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Schroder for cheap is a no brainer.

However, it made me think Smart was on the move. The timing of the Smart extension doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure what to make of our rotation now.

Smart 22/Schroder 26/Dunn

Brown 26/Pritchard 18/Smart 4/Langford

Richardson 24/Neismith 14/Brown 10

Tatum 36/Parker 12/GWill

Horford 26/Williams 22/Kanter/Bruno

? Meh.

The signing was a no brainer,  but Schröder is not exactly putting the C’s over the top to compete with the Nets, Lakers, or Bucks for a championship. So having him for 1 year when you can’t re-sign him doesn’t make sense to me. He is just going to take away minutes from Smart, who allegedly wants to be more of PG and Pritchard who looks to have improved. Dennis has value and the C’s are fine at the PG position, so trade him to a team that might be willing to give up a late first or a couple of second round picks. 

Some have mentioned Smart’s extension will make him a better trade asset in a package for a player such as Beal, However, Is Washington or another team going to want Marcus when he’s being overpaid by $3-5M a year? I’m not sure that they do.

Wait, why can't we compete? You all are just dismissing the C's chances already? I don't think the Lakers - Bucks are significantly better than us. If the new coach gets us playing good basketball, we could easily be like the Suns last year, and they were up 2-0 in the finals. We have a good team! Two all-stars and finally - finally - a group of high-end role players around them. Schroder is a good player. Horford is a good player. Richardson is a good player. If Nesmith, PP, and Timelord make another jump, I fully expect us to be in the eastern conference finals. Yeah, Brooklyn will be tough but highly likely one or more of their big three will be injured or having a mental breakdown. Everyone is dismissing the Celtics - the media is talking about them just squeaking into the playoffs - and I think on paper this is a top 4 team in the East.

Much better team than last year, that’s for sure.
Much deeper for sure.  We don't have to play Grant, Parker, Langford, Edwards not to mention Waters/Fall.  Replace all of them with Horford, Schroder, Richardson, Dunn plus PP/Nesmith coming along.  Plus throw in Udoka's plan to emphasize ball movement by making Tatum/Brown distributors.  I like our chances to get to the ECF.
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