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Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #120 on: August 17, 2021, 02:22:06 PM »

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https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA/status/1427657270624718848

Looks like the Wolves were interested in Smart before turning to Beverly.

I wonder what they would have paid.

They weren't trading Kat or Edwards, and there isn't anyone else on their roster worth having on their current contracts.

I did like Beasley some, but the off-the-court stuff is a bit concerning.  Still, I don't think trading him for Smart makes us better.

I wonder how many unprotected picks the Cs could have gotten from them for Smart?

Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #121 on: August 17, 2021, 02:24:34 PM »

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https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA/status/1427657270624718848

Looks like the Wolves were interested in Smart before turning to Beverly.

I wonder what they would have paid.

Presumably what they gave to Memphis for salary, since Smart and Bev are so close in those regards, and some sort of additional draft compensation.

Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #122 on: August 17, 2021, 02:59:46 PM »

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I’m not crazy about the deal, I was really excited about having that flexibility next offseason. But now that I’m thinking about it there could be a real upside here:

The Celtics sent a clear message to the players around the league that they are ready and willing to pay their own players. As good as Ainge was, and he was an incredible GM, but he was also very cutthroat. I think this shakes the whole Isaiah Thomas situation.

We paid Tatum. That was enough of a message, if one was needed. Locking up a role player at almost 20% of the cap is something else entirely.

lol…paying Tatum is not a message. You really want to send a message with Tatum you sign him and give his mother a high position in your legal department if you have one.. I am only half joking here because you can see around the league evidence of teams sending messages of loyalty to star players beyond their max contracts. Bucks gave Gianni’ brother a roster spot…wink wink. Lakers gave Gianni’ brother a roster spot and Giannis was not even a Laker. Hornets just gave a Ball brother a try because of his star brother. Paying Tatum the max is not a message.

I can't get into it now but something similar is coming down the road (no not his mother tho)
It's Deuce. His education will be paid for and a future roster spot guaranteed.

Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #123 on: August 17, 2021, 03:02:30 PM »

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I’m not crazy about the deal, I was really excited about having that flexibility next offseason. But now that I’m thinking about it there could be a real upside here:

The Celtics sent a clear message to the players around the league that they are ready and willing to pay their own players. As good as Ainge was, and he was an incredible GM, but he was also very cutthroat. I think this shakes the whole Isaiah Thomas situation.

We paid Tatum. That was enough of a message, if one was needed. Locking up a role player at almost 20% of the cap is something else entirely.

lol…paying Tatum is not a message. You really want to send a message with Tatum you sign him and give his mother a high position in your legal department if you have one.. I am only half joking here because you can see around the league evidence of teams sending messages of loyalty to star players beyond their max contracts. Bucks gave Gianni’ brother a roster spot…wink wink. Lakers gave Gianni’ brother a roster spot and Giannis was not even a Laker. Hornets just gave a Ball brother a try because of his star brother. Paying Tatum the max is not a message.

I can't get into it now but something similar is coming down the road (no not his mother tho)
It's Deuce. His education will be paid for and a future roster spot guaranteed.

Deuce is popular.  The C's could totally justify paying for him to promote the Celtics.

Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #124 on: August 17, 2021, 03:05:30 PM »

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I’m not crazy about the deal, I was really excited about having that flexibility next offseason. But now that I’m thinking about it there could be a real upside here:

The Celtics sent a clear message to the players around the league that they are ready and willing to pay their own players. As good as Ainge was, and he was an incredible GM, but he was also very cutthroat. I think this shakes the whole Isaiah Thomas situation.

We paid Tatum. That was enough of a message, if one was needed. Locking up a role player at almost 20% of the cap is something else entirely.

lol…paying Tatum is not a message. You really want to send a message with Tatum you sign him and give his mother a high position in your legal department if you have one.. I am only half joking here because you can see around the league evidence of teams sending messages of loyalty to star players beyond their max contracts. Bucks gave Gianni’ brother a roster spot…wink wink. Lakers gave Gianni’ brother a roster spot and Giannis was not even a Laker. Hornets just gave a Ball brother a try because of his star brother. Paying Tatum the max is not a message.

I can't get into it now but something similar is coming down the road (no not his mother tho)
It's Deuce. His education will be paid for and a future roster spot guaranteed.

Deuce is popular.  The C's could totally justify paying for him to promote the Celtics.

I can see that….the Curry family got that deal in GSW.

Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #125 on: August 17, 2021, 04:33:20 PM »

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Does anyone have those wonky Smart shooting stats offhand about how he's so much better under pressure, guarded, with no time left on the shot clock than when left wide open? Trying to share them but having the worst time finding.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203935/shots-dash/

Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #126 on: August 17, 2021, 04:40:46 PM »

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Does anyone have those wonky Smart shooting stats offhand about how he's so much better under pressure, guarded, with no time left on the shot clock than when left wide open? Trying to share them but having the worst time finding.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203935/shots-dash/

Thank you! TP. Not as crazy of a set of stats as I had remembered.
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Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #127 on: August 17, 2021, 05:10:42 PM »

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Evan Fournier money, with an extra year.  Does that make it an "unmovable" contract?

We're out of the max space game now.

It means they don’t want to move him.  But I have a feeling he’s more movable than Fournier would have been.  Cap could be 7-10% higher next year, and will be a minimum of 3%, so relative to the cap Smart’s deal is still cheaper.

In the off-season Smart will have four years left, all guaranteed.  Fournier will have two years left, plus a team option.  I think the two year deal will be at least equally moveable.

Regardless, the fan base has been misled a bit, no?  We’re told we can’t add long term free agents due to “flexibility”, then our ability to sign a max free agent (or bundle our expirings) is voluntarily surrendered.

Now, we’ve got no real flexibility, no way of winning in the near future.  We gave away the #16 pick not to becom competitive, but rather only to save money.  Now we’re locked into a team with a mediocre third best player for half of a decade.

Fireworks.

Why are we bringing up the Kemba trade again here? We all knew AND agreed that he needed to me moved, and he was moved. That we saved money is a bonus, that people began writing fan-fiction about next year and what not, that's another story. The team we traded him to, a team that is collecting picks left and right bought him off because of apparent low trade value...

Bringing the Kemba trade as "evidence" of ownership being cheap is not strengthening the argument, but distracting from it.

Where does anything above mention “evidence” of ownership being cheap?

We are a luxury tax team without being a contender and with no means to improve our roster next summer. That’s the reality of the situation. I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

Correct.  If we were content to be a mid-tier playoff team, we should have just kept Kemba for the next two seasons. Our ceiling would have been about the same, and we would have kept our pick.

So it's your argument that our team with Horford is not not more competitive than with Kemba? If that's your contention, then that's fine. I think we're better and more balanced without Kemba and with Horford on-board... even more so now that we have Schroder this season (but that shouldn't factor at this point).

We may be marginally better, but we are no closer to a championship.  We don’t have a clear direction, but we do have close to 100% of the cap tied up in three players, one of whom is a defense only role-player (who didn’t play much defense last year) and is a “team leader” that doesn’t seem to lead very much.
1. Smart isn't a defense-only player. He's a willing passer and a reliable PnR ball handler. Too bad we mostly use him off the ball.

2. The media may have gotten our plan wrong all along. You said it yourself numerous times: If we were to sign a max free agent, we'd have to gut our current roster. Not sure why you're complaining now. You didn't like the max-free-agent plan anyway.

Perhaps we are planning to go after Beal at the trade deadline or via a sign and trade next summer. If so, re-signing Smart ain't no problem whatsoever. Btw, I'm pretty sure we can trade Smart at the trade deadline. The rules are different this year due to the shortened season.

Horford + prospect(s) + picks for Beal/Siakam would be a valid trade, salary-wise.

Alternatively (this would be my #1 choice):

Smart + Schroder + JRich + picks for Simmons

All very logical, I have to agree almost all the way down. As usual, very sharp analysis.

I see that you have not given up your interest in bringing in Simmons - good for you, the media hype on him distorts the true picture, I think, and is biasing most fans; though whether his trade value is irreparably diminished still remains to be seen.
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Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #128 on: August 17, 2021, 05:57:41 PM »

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https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA/status/1427657270624718848

Looks like the Wolves were interested in Smart before turning to Beverly.

I wonder what they would have paid.
I would have pulled the trigger on Smart for Beasley if Beasley's life weren't a bit of a mess
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Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #129 on: August 17, 2021, 05:58:40 PM »

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I guess coach U ….really likes Smart   ;D

I doubt my wife thinks I’m worth 77 million.  :)

Re: Report: Smart Signs 4 year, $77 million extension
« Reply #130 on: August 23, 2021, 10:51:01 AM »

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Important to consider w/Smart contract. CBA expires after year 2. New TV deal begins year 4. That means either some level of cap smoothing will make years 3 & 4 a smaller % of the cap or year 4 will be significantly smaller. That $21 mil could be equivalent of ~half that today.

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Cap hits per year in Marcus Smart's extension with the Boston Celtics: 22-23: $17,207,142 23-24: $18,583,713 24-25: $19,960,284 25-26: $21,336,856 Smart's trade bonus is the lesser of $1 million or 15%. @spotrac @celticsblog

Should be noted that the next TV deal is expected to be as much as three times as large as the current one when it expires after the 24-25 season. Likely to be hashed out before then which would result in the smoothing of cap increases which the NBA has done before.



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« Reply #131 on: August 23, 2021, 04:43:40 PM »

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Horford + prospect(s) + picks for Beal/Siakam would be a valid trade, salary-wise.

What prospects are you talking about because I think zero of ours would ply that from those teams.

Romeo, nope.  Grant, never.  Nesmith, could or not could have value.   

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« Reply #132 on: August 23, 2021, 04:48:01 PM »

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Horford + prospect(s) + picks for Beal/Siakam would be a valid trade, salary-wise.

What prospects are you talking about because I think zero of ours would ply that from those teams.

Romeo, nope.  Grant, never.  Nesmith, could or not could have value.

I think still way off but Pritchard and Rob would be in the prospects picture.