Report: Schroder Signs With Celts

[SparzWizard]

Sounds like a good signing.

Schroder/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Horford starting 5?

[Who]

Besides; https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1425235421118832645?s=20

Keith Smith;

Per a source: Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role. Celtics made it clear that Ime Udoka will evaluate roles and minutes. Also, this will be Udoka's decision only. The front office, led by Brad Stevens, will not get involved in PT decisions.

Dunno about you, but I read this as "I won't be causing issues".

You use a player that has something to prove to get some real good value for money. The year after, you see if he wants to resign or not.

I see it more as ego / self-belief.

Open competition? Awesome. That is no problem cause none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

[Kiorrik]

Besides; https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1425235421118832645?s=20

Keith Smith;

Per a source: Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role. Celtics made it clear that Ime Udoka will evaluate roles and minutes. Also, this will be Udoka's decision only. The front office, led by Brad Stevens, will not get involved in PT decisions.

Dunno about you, but I read this as "I won't be causing issues".

You use a player that has something to prove to get some real good value for money. The year after, you see if he wants to resign or not.

I see it more as ego / self-belief.

Open competition? Awesome. That is no problem cause none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role.

none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

Sorry, those are in direct contradiction?

Basically you're saying he's lying? In that case, sure. Guess words mean nothing.

Way I see it, he signed for very little with a great franchise, hoping to redeem himself as a good teammate.

[Who]

Besides; https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1425235421118832645?s=20

Keith Smith;

Per a source: Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role. Celtics made it clear that Ime Udoka will evaluate roles and minutes. Also, this will be Udoka's decision only. The front office, led by Brad Stevens, will not get involved in PT decisions.

Dunno about you, but I read this as "I won't be causing issues".

You use a player that has something to prove to get some real good value for money. The year after, you see if he wants to resign or not.

I see it more as ego / self-belief.

Open competition? Awesome. That is no problem cause none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role.

none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

Sorry, those are in direct contradiction?

Basically you're saying he's lying? In that case, sure. Guess words mean nothing.

Way I see it, he signed for very little with a great franchise, hoping to redeem himself as a good teammate.

Yep, he's lying.

He is the best guard on this team and he knows it. He is not afraid of the competition.

[gouki88]

Besides; https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1425235421118832645?s=20

Keith Smith;

Per a source: Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role. Celtics made it clear that Ime Udoka will evaluate roles and minutes. Also, this will be Udoka's decision only. The front office, led by Brad Stevens, will not get involved in PT decisions.

Dunno about you, but I read this as "I won't be causing issues".

You use a player that has something to prove to get some real good value for money. The year after, you see if he wants to resign or not.

I see it more as ego / self-belief.

Open competition? Awesome. That is no problem cause none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role.

none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

Sorry, those are in direct contradiction?

Basically you're saying he's lying? In that case, sure. Guess words mean nothing.

Way I see it, he signed for very little with a great franchise, hoping to redeem himself as a good teammate.

I don't think they're necessarily contradicting one another. Schroder can have no expectation of an immediate starting role while still having faith in himself to earn that position.

[Kiorrik]

Besides; https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1425235421118832645?s=20

Keith Smith;

Per a source: Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role. Celtics made it clear that Ime Udoka will evaluate roles and minutes. Also, this will be Udoka's decision only. The front office, led by Brad Stevens, will not get involved in PT decisions.

Dunno about you, but I read this as "I won't be causing issues".

You use a player that has something to prove to get some real good value for money. The year after, you see if he wants to resign or not.

I see it more as ego / self-belief.

Open competition? Awesome. That is no problem cause none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role.

none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

Sorry, those are in direct contradiction?

Basically you're saying he's lying? In that case, sure. Guess words mean nothing.

Way I see it, he signed for very little with a great franchise, hoping to redeem himself as a good teammate.

I don't think they're necessarily contradicting one another. Schroder can have no expectation of an immediate starting role while still having faith in himself to earn that position.

In that case I still read it as "I won't be causing issues".

[gouki88]

Besides; https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1425235421118832645?s=20

Keith Smith;

Per a source: Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role. Celtics made it clear that Ime Udoka will evaluate roles and minutes. Also, this will be Udoka's decision only. The front office, led by Brad Stevens, will not get involved in PT decisions.

Dunno about you, but I read this as "I won't be causing issues".

You use a player that has something to prove to get some real good value for money. The year after, you see if he wants to resign or not.

I see it more as ego / self-belief.

Open competition? Awesome. That is no problem cause none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

Dennis Schroder signed with Boston with no expectation of a starting role.

none of these guys are good enough to beat me out for that starting PG job.

Sorry, those are in direct contradiction?

Basically you're saying he's lying? In that case, sure. Guess words mean nothing.

Way I see it, he signed for very little with a great franchise, hoping to redeem himself as a good teammate.

I don't think they're necessarily contradicting one another. Schroder can have no expectation of an immediate starting role while still having faith in himself to earn that position.

In that case I still read it as "I won't be causing issues".

Me too! I'm trying to read into it as optimistically as possible. I think he'll be determined to redeem both his value in terms of contracts, and his value as a teammate.

[Who]

Am I missing some history here with Schroder in terms of having fallouts with teammates and/or coaches?

I don't remember him ever being pretty problematic.

Self-involved PG? Sure. Problem child? No.

What is he trying to redeem himself for? Making a bad financial decision in turning down that contract extension a few months ago?

[gouki88]

Am I missing some history here with Schroder in terms of having fallouts with teammates and/or coaches?

I don't remember him ever being pretty problematic.

Self-involved PG? Sure. Problem child? No.

What is he trying to redeem himself for? Making a bad financial decision in turning down that contract extension a few months ago?

I think it emerged during his tenure with the Lakers as they were crumbling. Schroder became the fall guy

[hpantazo]

Am I missing some history here with Schroder in terms of having fallouts with teammates and/or coaches?

I don't remember him ever being pretty problematic.

Self-involved PG? Sure. Problem child? No.

What is he trying to redeem himself for? Making a bad financial decision in turning down that contract extension a few months ago?

I think it emerged during his tenure with the Lakers as they were crumbling. Schroder became the fall guy

Someone who hates the current members of the Lakers. That's definitely a plus.

[celticbos]

Better for Schroeder to here this than have to hear about Rondo comparisons.

[smokeablount]

Am I missing some history here with Schroder in terms of having fallouts with teammates and/or coaches?

I don't remember him ever being pretty problematic.

Self-involved PG? Sure. Problem child? No.

What is he trying to redeem himself for? Making a bad financial decision in turning down that contract extension a few months ago?

I have connections to someone inside the locker room from one of his previous stops who said he was disliked by teammates, but it wasn’t particularly recently and it may be old news at this point.

I don’t think he was problematic really, just unpopular at that time.

[Muzzy66]

A week or so ago, just hours after free agency, this site brought out the pitchforks and was ready to march on TD Garden and riot there while calling for Brad and Wyc's heads. It was clear to almost everyone that the team would suck this year.

A week or so later, Brad signs Schroder for $5.9 million and everyone loves Brad and the Celtics look like they are for real in the East.

The fickleness and recency bias here is off the chart.

Maybe, we all should have had some patience back when it was just hours after the start of free agency? Maybe??

As for Schroder, isn't he just a taller, younger, worse at defense version of Kemba Walker? If Kemba was a bad fit for this team, why wouldn't Schroder be as well?

I could be wrong, but I was of the impression that Schroeder is a much better defensive player then Kemba. 

I remember at draft time scouts were gushing about his defensive potential, and while its hardly foolproof his defensive RPM is +1.49 which is 9th among NBA Point Guards.  His defensive win shares (0.114) ranks 19th among all guards.  He ranks above Marcus Smart in both categories.  No idea how accurate a reflection this is of his actual defensive ability, but the stats I'm looking at seem to indicate he's a far cry from Kemba Walker.

[Muzzy66]

G: Schroder, Pritchard, Dunn
G: Smart, Josh Richardson, Romeo
F: Jaylen, Nesmith
F: Tatum
C: Horford, Rob Williams, Kanter

Dumpster: Carsen, Jabari, Grant Williams, Bruno

We still have a major need at forward off the bench.

Can we please put Romeo in the dumpster instead of Jabari?  Romeo is freaking garbage and at least Jabari can contribute something for us on the offensive end.  We have enough defensive minded guards who aren't great shooters on this team team right now with Smart, Richardson, Dunn - Romeo is effectively useless at this point.

Hell even against Summer League competitoin he looks like a scrub.

So next we sign and trade for Lauri Markannan?

Guards: Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Josh Richardson, Payton Pritchard, Kris Dunn, Carsen Edwards, Dennis Schroder

Forwards: Jayson Tatum, Aaron Nesmith, Romeo Langford, Grant Williams, Jabari Parker

Bigs: Al Horford, Robert Williams III, Bruno Fernando, Lauri Markannan, Kantar

Likely Starting Roster:

PG: Dennis Schroder
SG: Marcus Smart
SF: Jaylen Brown
PF: Jayson Tatum
C: Robert Williams III

Yikes...that would be a horribly bad starting 5 in terms of shooting ability.  Aside from Brown and Tatum nobody in that starting 5 can be depended on to make an open three.

[Muzzy66]

A week or so ago, just hours after free agency, this site brought out the pitchforks and was ready to march on TD Garden and riot there while calling for Brad and Wyc's heads. It was clear to almost everyone that the team would suck this year.

A week or so later, Brad signs Schroder for $5.9 million and everyone loves Brad and the Celtics look like they are for real in the East.

The fickleness and recency bias here is off the chart.

Maybe, we all should have had some patience back when it was just hours after the start of free agency? Maybe??

As for Schroder, isn't he just a taller, younger, worse at defense version of Kemba Walker? If Kemba was a bad fit for this team, why wouldn't Schroder be as well?

We are very fortunate to get Schroder for this price whether that’s due to Brad being savvy or just a little lucky with the fallout in LA.  Losing out on Fournier having his bird rights and seeing what he ultimately signed for with the Knicks did merit some criticism IMO.  We could actually have both if we are willing to go deep in the tax.  This is a good rebound back in free agency though.

For Fournier. For Evan Fournier. Deep into the luxury tax. For Evan Fournier.

Yeh I'ma hard pass on that one chief.

Fournier would have cost us basically the same amount that Brad has apparently already offered to Smart as an extension.  He let Fournier walk when he could just as easily have signed Fournier and let Smart walk.  I'll take fournier over Smart all day every day without a moment's thought.