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Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2021, 12:34:43 PM »

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As for offering Smart a 4 year contract for 17 million a year - I find that move highly questionable. He's getting up in age and injury prone. Even though he's a great defender, it's 3 point shooting and length that wins in the NBA today.

He's 27! He's not that old for a 4 year contract, not sure why you think he's injury prone?

Maybe because he misses a good chunk of every season being INJURED?
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Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2021, 01:26:47 PM »

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I hope he takes that offer.

That's fairly reasonable for us, and he'd still bring the defense and hopefully with a new coach he'd add more stuff.
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Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2021, 01:45:30 PM »

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I’m confused. We refused to sign anything but one year deals to have 2022 cap space to sign Beal, and are now willing to pay Smart $17 mm plus for 4 years. Because we want to set up for a sign and trade?? Seems like we could have gotten some decent 2-3 year deals done during free agency had we planned on sign and trade strategy all along. How does signing Smart preserve roster flexibility?  Does this not seem inconsistent/ confusing?

Is Smart considered more valuable than Fournier? Seems our roster needs were greater for Evan than for Smart.

Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2021, 01:47:30 PM »

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I’m confused. We refused to sign anything but one year deals to have 2022 cap space to sign Beal, and are now willing to pay Smart $17 mm plus for 4 years. Because we want to set up for a sign and trade?? Seems like we could have gotten some decent 2-3 year deals done during free agency had we planned on sign and trade strategy all along. How does signing Smart preserve roster flexibility?  Does this not seem inconsistent/ confusing?

Is Smart considered more valuable than Fournier? Seems our roster needs were greater for Evan than for Smart.
This is pretty much my issue. The decision making doesn’t make any sense. It’s like there is no plan.

Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2021, 01:56:45 PM »

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Wish everyone would start getting realistic about Boston acquiring Beal. Washington is not going to trade him away. First, he'll be able to get the most money from them in a max contract. Secondly, they picked up a couple good players in their recent trade wiith LA; Kuzma, Harrell and 22nd pick Isaiah Jackson. (I don't have a clue how good Jackson will be.)


Add to this, they signed Carmelo Anthony, Kent Bazemore and Spencer Dinwittie (sign in trade from the Nets).

My feeling is Washington will be a lot better than most in this group think barring major injuries.

As for offering Smart a 4 year contract for 17 million a year - I find that move highly questionable. He's getting up in age and injury prone. Even though he's a great defender, it's 3 point shooting and length that wins in the NBA today.

I thought the Lakers signed Carmelo and Bazemore?

You are right they both signed with the Lakers - the website I saw indicated they signed with Washington. Thanks for pointing that out.

Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2021, 02:06:07 PM »

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I wouldn't be surprised if this is a move to have a large contract to move for Beal in a S&T next offseason.  Smart and Horford would get close to what Beal's next deal would start at I think.
Assuming the Wizards move on from Beal, I bet they'll go into full rebuild mode. Why would a tanking/rebuilding team want Smart? In any case, we wouldn't need Smart's salary to make the deal work. Here are the numbers:

Beal's max will start at $40,525,450 (=35% of the cap).

Horford's expiring ($26,500,000) + Romeo ($5,634,257) + BOS 2022 first (let's say #16 once again: $3,311,040) would be more than enough salary to net us Beal via a sign and trade. Fwiw, we'd have to wait 30 days till after we sign our rookie in order to finalize the trade.

So you’re saying we can have a lineup of…
Smart-Beal-Brown-Tatum-Timelord backed up by a bench of Pritchard-Nesmith-Vet Min x2?

That looks like a championship-level starting lineup on paper!
We've been assuming that our #1 goal is to sign Beal via cap space. In fact, I bet we'd rather acquire him via a sign and trade. Problem is, we'd become hard capped at the apron. Had we re-signed Fournier for $19.5 mil/year, it would have been way more difficult to finalize a sign and trade for Beal. We'd either have to force the Wiz to take Fournier, or we'd have to let both Smart and Timelord walk. Perhaps this is part of the reason why we were unwilling to match NY's offer. Again, if the Wiz move on from Beal, chances are they'll go into full rebuild mode. Don't see why a tanking/rebuilding team would be interested in Fournier.

Yes, let’s assume first that our main goal is trying to get Beal. I’m going to be upfront and say I don’t grasp what “hard capped at the apron” means. I assume it means it kills our flexibility to sign guys with the MLE, thus leaving the team with only vet mins.

I fully agree that the Wiz won’t want a long-term Fournier but how does a Fournier signing impact a Horford (expiring)+Langford+picks in a Beal? Aren’t those separate transactions?
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Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2021, 02:11:42 PM »

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As for offering Smart a 4 year contract for 17 million a year - I find that move highly questionable. He's getting up in age and injury prone. Even though he's a great defender, it's 3 point shooting and length that wins in the NBA today.

He's 27! He's not that old for a 4 year contract, not sure why you think he's injury prone?

Maybe because he misses a good chunk of every season being INJURED?

Smart averages playing 64 games out 82 per season
Brown has averaged playing 67 games per season we should get rid of both of them since they miss 15-18 games per year unlike other players like Durant, Hardin, etc who never miss games....

Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2021, 02:38:00 PM »

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I’m confused. We refused to sign anything but one year deals to have 2022 cap space to sign Beal, and are now willing to pay Smart $17 mm plus for 4 years. Because we want to set up for a sign and trade?? Seems like we could have gotten some decent 2-3 year deals done during free agency had we planned on sign and trade strategy all along. How does signing Smart preserve roster flexibility?  Does this not seem inconsistent/ confusing?

Is Smart considered more valuable than Fournier? Seems our roster needs were greater for Evan than for Smart.

Before the 2020 draft, there were Smart to GSW rumors for the #2 pick in the draft. We traded for Fournier in the midst of having a career year for 2 2nds.

The prevailing thought is that the C’s are punting the year in preparation to make a run at a 3rd star after next season. I differ because I think that with an elite defense, Tatum and Brown on the cusp of being Top 10 and 20 players, respectively, and the rapid development of our prospects (who are already training together for Summer League and next season), this team expects to be in the mix for a title this upcoming season.

Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2021, 03:29:46 PM »

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I wouldn't be surprised if this is a move to have a large contract to move for Beal in a S&T next offseason.  Smart and Horford would get close to what Beal's next deal would start at I think.
Assuming the Wizards move on from Beal, I bet they'll go into full rebuild mode. Why would a tanking/rebuilding team want Smart? In any case, we wouldn't need Smart's salary to make the deal work. Here are the numbers:

Beal's max will start at $40,525,450 (=35% of the cap).

Horford's expiring ($26,500,000) + Romeo ($5,634,257) + BOS 2022 first (let's say #16 once again: $3,311,040) would be more than enough salary to net us Beal via a sign and trade. Fwiw, we'd have to wait 30 days till after we sign our rookie in order to finalize the trade.

So you’re saying we can have a lineup of…
Smart-Beal-Brown-Tatum-Timelord backed up by a bench of Pritchard-Nesmith-Vet Min x2?

That looks like a championship-level starting lineup on paper!
We've been assuming that our #1 goal is to sign Beal via cap space. In fact, I bet we'd rather acquire him via a sign and trade. Problem is, we'd become hard capped at the apron. Had we re-signed Fournier for $19.5 mil/year, it would have been way more difficult to finalize a sign and trade for Beal. We'd either have to force the Wiz to take Fournier, or we'd have to let both Smart and Timelord walk. Perhaps this is part of the reason why we were unwilling to match NY's offer. Again, if the Wiz move on from Beal, chances are they'll go into full rebuild mode. Don't see why a tanking/rebuilding team would be interested in Fournier.

Yes, let’s assume first that our main goal is trying to get Beal. I’m going to be upfront and say I don’t grasp what “hard capped at the apron” means. I assume it means it kills our flexibility to sign guys with the MLE, thus leaving the team with only vet mins.

I fully agree that the Wiz won’t want a long-term Fournier but how does a Fournier signing impact a Horford (expiring)+Langford+picks in a Beal? Aren’t those separate transactions?
The Luxury Tax Apron is usually set about $6,000,000 above the Luxury Tax Line. If a team uses their Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, or Sign-and-Trade they will be considered to be "hard capped at the apron". This means they must keep their payroll below the Luxury Tax Apron for the duration of that season. The projected number for the Tax Apron in 2022/23 is $151,000,000. If we complete a sign and trade for Beal, our payroll can never exceed $151,000,000 till the end of the 2022/23 season.

Regarding your second question:
Let's assume that we re-signed Fournier for 4 years/78 million. His estimated salary for 2022/23 would have been $19,046,512. Let's also assume the Wizards sign and trade Beal to the C's for Horford + Romeo + BOS 2022 first. Our payroll in 2022/23 would have looked like this:

1. Beal $40,525,450
2. Tatum $30,351,780
3. Brown $26,669,643
4. Fournier $19,046,512
5. Nesmith $3,804,360
6. Pritchard $2,239,200   
7. vet min $1,719,247
8. vet min $1,719,247
9. vet min $1,719,247
10. vet min $1,719,247
11. vet min $1,719,247
12. vet min $1,719,247
13. vet min $1,719,247
14. vet min $1,719,247
15. vet min $1,719,247

dead salary
Jackson $92,857

total: $138,203,025

Projected Luxury Tax Apron: $151,000,000

Under no circumstances would we have been allowed to surpass the Tax Apron. This means we wouldn't have had enough room to re-sign Smart. Possibly Timelord as well depending on how we'd fill out the rest of our roster.

Given that we didn't re-sign Fournier, it's way easier to keep Smart in case we complete a sign and trade for Beal.
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Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2021, 03:45:37 PM »

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As for offering Smart a 4 year contract for 17 million a year - I find that move highly questionable. He's getting up in age and injury prone. Even though he's a great defender, it's 3 point shooting and length that wins in the NBA today.

He's 27! He's not that old for a 4 year contract, not sure why you think he's injury prone?

Maybe because he misses a good chunk of every season being INJURED?
Maybe that's because we look at things in a bubble, especially with JB & JT being thusfar very durable?

Smart has played a higher % of games than Durant & Kyrie have. Only a slightly less % of games than Bradley Beal.

I'm mixed on whether or not to re-sign Smart, but he clearly does have some value and we've all complained about letting guys walk away for nothing.

Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2021, 04:04:43 PM »

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For me, it means PBS is confident we can find a trade or ST to grab Beal.

Fournier is a better basketball player but Smart is a more important player on a winning team and even more rare, even if some are thinking the opposite. Smart will be complementary of the Jays and Beal. I hope he will sign it. I would even give him a trade veto clause to show him he is still essential for us and not anytime a trade chip.

And if by any way we could grab Beal allready this year with a combination of Horford/Langford/Nesmith and 2/3 picks and we could finally have a better season than expected. Now I understand better the signing of Richardson, maybe Schroder... We could turn finally very deep if Beale push his trade to us before deadline.

Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2021, 04:22:50 PM »

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For me, it means PBS is confident we can find a trade or ST to grab Beal.

Fournier is a better basketball player but Smart is a more important player on a winning team and even more rare, even if some are thinking the opposite. Smart will be complementary of the Jays and Beal. I hope he will sign it. I would even give him a trade veto clause to show him he is still essential for us and not anytime a trade chip.

And if by any way we could grab Beal allready this year with a combination of Horford/Langford/Nesmith and 2/3 picks and we could finally have a better season than expected. Now I understand better the signing of Richardson, maybe Schroder... We could turn finally very deep if Beale push his trade to us before deadline.
To be eligible to negotiate a no-trade clause, a player must have at least eight years of NBA experience and four years with his current team. Smart is a 7-year vet. We cannot offer him a no-trade clause till the 2022 free agency.

Personally speaking, I wouldn't want us to offer Smart a no-trade clause. Last Celtic who had a no-trade clause was KG. Love Smart, but he's nowhere near that level.
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Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2021, 08:39:55 PM »

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As for offering Smart a 4 year contract for 17 million a year - I find that move highly questionable. He's getting up in age and injury prone. Even though he's a great defender, it's 3 point shooting and length that wins in the NBA today.

He's 27! He's not that old for a 4 year contract, not sure why you think he's injury prone?

Maybe because he misses a good chunk of every season being INJURED?

Smart averages playing 64 games out 82 per season
Brown has averaged playing 67 games per season we should get rid of both of them since they miss 15-18 games per year unlike other players like Durant, Hardin, etc who never miss games....
Your numbers are off because there were two seasons of 72 games. Soooooo.....

Brown has missed an average of 10.6 games a year and Smart misses 15 games a year.

The thought of trading Brown because he is somehow injury prone is absurd.

Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2021, 08:42:43 PM »

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17-19 million a year for Smart's prime years is a good deal imo. If we want to move him later he will be easily moveable.

Re: Marcus Smart Offered 4 yr 17m a year extension
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2021, 08:42:55 PM »

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As for offering Smart a 4 year contract for 17 million a year - I find that move highly questionable. He's getting up in age and injury prone. Even though he's a great defender, it's 3 point shooting and length that wins in the NBA today.

He's 27! He's not that old for a 4 year contract, not sure why you think he's injury prone?

Maybe because he misses a good chunk of every season being INJURED?

Smart averages playing 64 games out 82 per season
Brown has averaged playing 67 games per season we should get rid of both of them since they miss 15-18 games per year unlike other players like Durant, Hardin, etc who never miss games....
Your numbers are off because there were two seasons of 72 games. Soooooo.....

Brown has missed an average of 10.6 games a year and Smart misses 15 games a year.

The thought of trading Brown because he is somehow injury prone is absurd.
I think he was offering up trading Brown as a joke. Or at least, I hope, given he listed Durant as someone who doesn't miss games.
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