Win a Championship or Die Trying?

[PAOBoston]

Morris. Rozier. Horford. Hayward. Fournier.

All guys ownership did not pay the last 3 seasons and let walk away for basically nothing. Ownership is cheaping out. Fans literally cheering them signing bad players to one year deals is mind boggling. Cs guaranteed an 8 seed/first round exit next season.

[PAOBoston]

Did we learn nothing from watching the Red Sox blunder away Mookie with their fiscally irresponsible decisions?

Just slinging money around blindly isn't the answer.  Throwing $80M at Fournier won't win us a championship, but it could sure as hell lose us Tatum and/or Brown if it hamstrings our efforts to land players who would actually make a difference. 

I'm all for spending the right money on the right players.  Not interested in overpaying Fournier though.

THE RED SOX SHOULD HAVE PAID BETTS. THEY HAVE THE MONEY.

[gouki88]

Morris. Rozier. Horford. Hayward. Fournier.

All guys ownership did not pay the last 3 seasons and let walk away for basically nothing. Ownership is cheaping out. Fans literally cheering them signing bad players to one year deals is mind boggling. Cs guaranteed an 8 seed/first round exit next season.

It's funny that you mention those four, given there is a consensus that all four of them were significantly overpaid. If Fournier secures $20m a season, then he'll join them too.

How does a team find the balance between "cheaping out" and overpaying role players like Morris and Rozier?

Btw, Jeff Green and Rudy Gay are as good as Morris.

[greg683x]

Morris. Rozier. Horford. Hayward. Fournier.

All guys ownership did not pay the last 3 seasons and let walk away for basically nothing. Ownership is cheaping out. Fans literally cheering them signing bad players to one year deals is mind boggling. Cs guaranteed an 8 seed/first round exit next season.

With the exception of Morris, there’s more to the story of those guys leaving than ‘ownership just didn’t want to pay them’

[PAOBoston]

Morris. Rozier. Horford. Hayward. Fournier.

All guys ownership did not pay the last 3 seasons and let walk away for basically nothing. Ownership is cheaping out. Fans literally cheering them signing bad players to one year deals is mind boggling. Cs guaranteed an 8 seed/first round exit next season.

It's funny that you mention those four, given there is a consensus that all four of them were significantly overpaid. If Fournier secures $20m a season, then he'll join them too.

How does a team find the balance between "cheaping out" and overpaying role players like Morris and Rozier?

Btw, Jeff Green and Rudy Gay are as good as Morris.

Sometimes you need to overpay to keep talent but apparently that isn’t the ultimate goal for the Cs this season. No one on the roster outside of JT and JB will be here next year if they are just gearing up for FA 2022. Guess they are putting all their eggs into that basket. This year is shaping up to be another bridge year.

[footey]

Morris. Rozier. Horford. Hayward. Fournier.

All guys ownership did not pay the last 3 seasons and let walk away for basically nothing. Ownership is cheaping out. Fans literally cheering them signing bad players to one year deals is mind boggling. Cs guaranteed an 8 seed/first round exit next season.

It's funny that you mention those four, given there is a consensus that all four of them were significantly overpaid. If Fournier secures $20m a season, then he'll join them too.

How does a team find the balance between "cheaping out" and overpaying role players like Morris and Rozier?

Btw, Jeff Green and Rudy Gay are as good as Morris.

Rosier has actually turned out to be a productive player relative to his paycheck. Has outperformed expectations when he signed.

[gouki88]

Morris. Rozier. Horford. Hayward. Fournier.

All guys ownership did not pay the last 3 seasons and let walk away for basically nothing. Ownership is cheaping out. Fans literally cheering them signing bad players to one year deals is mind boggling. Cs guaranteed an 8 seed/first round exit next season.

It's funny that you mention those four, given there is a consensus that all four of them were significantly overpaid. If Fournier secures $20m a season, then he'll join them too.

How does a team find the balance between "cheaping out" and overpaying role players like Morris and Rozier?

Btw, Jeff Green and Rudy Gay are as good as Morris.

Rosier has actually turned out to be a productive player relative to his paycheck. Has outperformed expectations when he signed.

Only once Ball and Hayward arrived. Prior to that he was quite inefficient and Charlotte sucked

[PhoSita]

I think the plan is to go after Beal next summer, for better or worse.

Basically means this season they'll be playing with an arm tied behind their back because they can't commit long term salary to anyone.

Not only is Fournier likely to be gone, but they probably ought to shop Smart and Rob Williams, as well.

[blink]

I think the plan is to go after Beal next summer, for better or worse.

Basically means this season they'll be playing with an arm tied behind their back because they can't commit long term salary to anyone.

Not only is Fournier likely to be gone, but they probably ought to shop Smart and Rob Williams, as well.

I am not at all for the 'all in for Beal' plan.  He makes so much money for his on court value that is just kills our roster.
I love Tatum and Brown, but I don't feel like a Beal / Brown / Tatum and loose change approach is going to get us over the hump for a title.

[PhoSita]

I think the plan is to go after Beal next summer, for better or worse.

Basically means this season they'll be playing with an arm tied behind their back because they can't commit long term salary to anyone.

Not only is Fournier likely to be gone, but they probably ought to shop Smart and Rob Williams, as well.

I am not at all for the 'all in for Beal' plan.  He makes so much money for his on court value that is just kills our roster.
I love Tatum and Brown, but I don't feel like a Beal / Brown / Tatum and loose change approach is going to get us over the hump for a title.

I share your reservations about going that route.

However, the Celts are in the phase of team building where keeping the main star happy is the most important consideration.  Given that, they don't really have any choice but to make every effort to have a shot at acquiring Beal.

[dannyboy35]

Morris. Rozier. Horford. Hayward. Fournier.

All guys ownership did not pay the last 3 seasons and let walk away for basically nothing. Ownership is cheaping out. Fans literally cheering them signing bad players to one year deals is mind boggling. Cs guaranteed an 8 seed/first round exit next season.

It's funny that you mention those four, given there is a consensus that all four of them were significantly overpaid. If Fournier secures $20m a season, then he'll join them too.

How does a team find the balance between "cheaping out" and overpaying role players like Morris and Rozier?

Btw, Jeff Green and Rudy Gay are as good as Morris.

Sometimes you need to overpay to keep talent but apparently that isn’t the ultimate goal for the Cs this season. No one on the roster outside of JT and JB will be here next year if they are just gearing up for FA 2022. Guess they are putting all their eggs into that basket. This year is shaping up to be another bridge year.

    On this debate I think ultimately people agree on overpaying for talent. It’s just people disagree on WHICH guys we should be willing to. Personally I think Hayward was 10” worthy of overpaying for that. But that’s because his multiple injuries have mostly been unrelated to eachother snd I just don’t believe in black cats despite him getting injured yet again. I always thought the offense  should have been run thru him here when we were stacked with him a healthy Kemba snd the Jays but Brad just didn’t have the guts to make that happen. I really think if Brad was the type to lay it down straight and delegate roles it’s a great squad.
   I think Rozier has definitely more than lived up to his contract so not overpaid.
 Morris I kinda think I’d fair. This is mostly due to the knucklehead referees who basically grandfather in Morris to playing thuggish, messing with dude’s ankles. The threat of his cheap shots creating an injury is valuable in the playoffs. It’s disgusting but .. ya.
 Fournier I definitely think is worth 20 mil. That’s the rate. Too lazy to look it up but the blonde dude on Clippers got 19.
 

[Who]

I think the plan is to go after Beal next summer, for better or worse.

Basically means this season they'll be playing with an arm tied behind their back because they can't commit long term salary to anyone.

Not only is Fournier likely to be gone, but they probably ought to shop Smart and Rob Williams, as well.

I am not at all for the 'all in for Beal' plan.  He makes so much money for his on court value that is just kills our roster.
I love Tatum and Brown, but I don't feel like a Beal / Brown / Tatum and loose change approach is going to get us over the hump for a title.

I do. I'm a big fan of that trio. That is right there with Brooklyn's Big Three minus the crazy (Kyrie) and with a lot less injury issues (Durant, Kyrie).

Boston's Big Three would be one of the toughest offenses in the league to stop. All 3 of Tatum, Jaylen and Beal are big time shooters. All 3 can put the ball on the floor and drive. Beal is already a very good passer while Tatum and Jaylen are improving. This is one of the most well-rounded and well-equipped Big 3s assembled to exploit today's offensive rules.

They would be a nightmare to play against.

[gouki88]

I think the plan is to go after Beal next summer, for better or worse.

Basically means this season they'll be playing with an arm tied behind their back because they can't commit long term salary to anyone.

Not only is Fournier likely to be gone, but they probably ought to shop Smart and Rob Williams, as well.

I am not at all for the 'all in for Beal' plan.  He makes so much money for his on court value that is just kills our roster.
I love Tatum and Brown, but I don't feel like a Beal / Brown / Tatum and loose change approach is going to get us over the hump for a title.

I do. I'm a big fan of that trio. That is right there with Brooklyn's Big Three minus the crazy (Kyrie) and with a lot less injury issues (Durant, Kyrie).

Boston's Big Three would be one of the toughest offenses in the league to stop. All 3 of Tatum, Jaylen and Beal are big time shooters. All 3 can put the ball on the floor and drive. Beal is already a very good passer while Tatum and Jaylen are improving. This is one of the most well-rounded and well-equipped Big 3s assembled to exploit today's offensive rules.

They would be a nightmare to play against.

I agree, I love the offence that trio would provide. Using the MLE, BAE and some minimum deals on defensive minded guys would really help balance out that roster.

[Celtics4ever]

You still have to play the games, even with your prediction.

[Rosco917]

LOL...It's easy to spend OPM. Our Government has made an art of it.

It's a business...you don't invest further in a business/team that is showing stagnant growth. When a team shows they're on the right track by over achieving, perhaps a step away from the finals and in need of a special piece, that's when you make the investment.

Not to take a wild swing or after a season of underachievement. If I were the ownership of the Celtics, I would like to see that my two best young players can play together before I pay a salary tax.