Fournier, Celtics "far apart" (Fournier signs with Knicks)

[Who]

The other thing I am thinking about with Fournier is something I read from GSW after drafting that guy Kuminga with the #7 pick and they repeated something they also said after acquiring Andrew Wiggins in the trade last year and that was:

Wings with size are very difficult to acquire in today's NBA. There is few of them and huge competition for them. It is very hard to find good ones in free agency. And they are very valuable to have in today's league.

Today's switch heavy league with many similar SG-SF-PF types in the league. There are only so many forwards with size and skill and Fournier is one of them. He is a legit 6-7 with handles, passing ability, shot creation and high quality perimeter shooting. He is a mediocre defender but his versatility is valuable especially on a team with already strong defensive forwards in Jaylen and Tatum.

I question whether we are understating how useful Fournier could be + how hard he would be to replace + how easy it would be to move him in a trade if needed.

[Celtics4ever]

Think about it this way: If Beal demanded a trade to Boston, stating unequivocally that he will not sign anywhere else in order to play with Tatum, we can make a trade for him by moving Fournier (@$20 million/year), Richardson, GWill and picks. We’re then set with a Big 3 AND a respectable supporting cast.

He's not demanding so your premise is a pipe dream at the moment.

[jambr380]

Brian Robb
@BrianTRobb
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Main potential suitors for Evan Fournier in free agency right now beyond Celtics as dust settles from initial deals: Knicks, Spurs, Pelicans

Knicks still don't have a PG, Spurs just signed McBuckets to a good chunk of money, and I don't know what's going on in NOP. Market could possibly be drying up for Fournier. Maybe a s&t is a possibility, as well.

[MattyIce]

Free agent Evan Fournier has agreed to a four-year deal that could be worth as much as $78M with the New York Knicks, source tells ESPN.

[Kuberski33]

See my post about Fournier having a deal in hand.

[Kuberski33]

See my post about Fournier having a deal in hand. $80 million was the only thing that was going to prevent him from taking it.

[Kiorrik]

I'd consider $20 million on a 3 year deal, but not for 4 years. If we want to maintain cap flexibility for next year, then the contract we sign him to needs to be easily tradable. If Fournier balls out then 3/60 would absolutely be tradable next year, but if he doesn't then it could be a problem (much more than a 2 year deal would be).

I don't want to see him walk for nothing, but I just think he's asking for too much. 3/$60 or 4/$72 is as high as I'd want to go.

4/72 would also be my highest offer and that is very close to what he's asking. You just have to pursuade Evan how great his role is going to be on a soon to be contender. His shooting ability and overall game is exactly what we need. I'm done with chasing dreams and shadows (Durant, Leonard, Beal). We don't need a third star. The time is now.
Build around Brown and Tatum.

I agree with this. Looking at the top free agents available next year, I doubt we will get any of them. Beal is probably the most likely to want to come here, I don't think the rest have the slightest interest in being a third wheel to the Jays. I think we'll see pigs flying over the Charles before the likes of KD, Harden or Steph come here. Maybe in NBA2k 



The challenge is finding a decent third option who is happy to be a third option. Really good players usually don't like being third options to younger players, as was made evident by Hayward leaving. Kemba was probably an exception in being a veteran star who was willing to subordinate his game to two younger players, but you don't find players with that attitude and willingness to play a smaller role just anywhere.

Who said they'd be ''a third wheel to the Jays''? For instance, if we sign Beal/Kawhi/Butler/LaVine, I'm pretty sure that our 3rd option would be Brown. All these players (+Tatum) are way more versatile shot creators than Brown. I bet we'd be mostly using Brown as a 3+D wing in the half court, although he'd still be our best player in the open court (or 2nd best if we sign LaVine).

I also think that we'd have a decent chance to acquire one of Beal, Kawhi, Butler, LaVine or Randle. Personally speaking, I'd only be interested in Kawhi and Beal.

Herein lies this ‘Brown’ problem the Celtics have. He is continually paired with Tatum as if they are equals - they are not. Tatum owns this team, Brown intentionally or not is hindering this reality. He needs to come out and acknowledge Tatum as the Alpha on this team. By the way, Kemba did not subordinate his game to the Jays. Not one bit.

This is utter nonsense. Brown is nearly as good a player. It was a legitimate debate here last year before Brown had knee soreness as to who was better player.

The level of play we saw from Tatum from April onward is why that debate ended

Tatum for sure excelled toward the end of season. I believe Brown regressed due to a nagging knee, and of course at season's end when he hurt his hand. It was pretty obvious to us that he just didn't have the same lift or explosiveness.  Before the knee issue, it was a lively debate. Don't think the end of the season ended the debate, for these reasons.

I just don't think Brown has Tatum's ability to carry an offence. He can easily put up 30+, we saw that quite a few times. But Tatum put up four 50-point games in the space of, what, 6 weeks? That's simply next level

It doesn't even really matter who's better, by how much, ect. We are gonna need both of them to win anything, because NOBODY in this league wins alone. Its a team sport, they are on the same team.

I REALLY don't think anything about the Celtics future hinges on Jaylen holding a press conference to say he thinks Tatum is better than him, if anything he should just internalize it and use it as motivation to be even better next season.

Tatum and Brown. Lennon and McCartney.

Beautiful music together.

I love you :')

TP

[RodyTur10]

Free agent Evan Fournier has agreed to a four-year deal that could be worth as much as $78M with the New York Knicks, source tells ESPN.

Last year is a team option. 72/4 guaranteed, probably would have been enough.
Can't believe we let another good player go for nothing.

Look at where we were just 4 years ago. Looking to take the league by storm.
And look at the roster now. It's embarrassing.

[RJ87]

Free agent Evan Fournier has agreed to a four-year deal that could be worth as much as $78M with the New York Knicks, source tells ESPN.

Last year is a team option. 72/4 guaranteed, probably would have been enough.
Can't believe we let another good player go for nothing.

Look at where we were just 4 years ago. Looking to take the league by storm.
And look at the roster now. It's embarrassing.

An embarrassment. Ownership needs to sell if they won't spend to be competitive.

[Ogaju]

Free agent Evan Fournier has agreed to a four-year deal that could be worth as much as $78M with the New York Knicks, source tells ESPN.

Last year is a team option. 72/4 guaranteed, probably would have been enough.
Can't believe we let another good player go for nothing.

Look at where we were just 4 years ago. Looking to take the league by storm.
And look at the roster now. It's embarrassing.

Embarrassing? lol….It is astonishing.

[Big333223]

I’m very disappointed in this but I’m also discovering that I have a much higher opinion of Fournier than just about everyone else so maybe this will be fine.

Also, if the C’s are really punting this year do they feel super confident about Brad Beal next year?

[Ogaju]

Free agent Evan Fournier has agreed to a four-year deal that could be worth as much as $78M with the New York Knicks, source tells ESPN.

Last year is a team option. 72/4 guaranteed, probably would have been enough.
Can't believe we let another good player go for nothing.

Look at where we were just 4 years ago. Looking to take the league by storm.
And look at the roster now. It's embarrassing.

An embarrassment. Ownership needs to sell if they won't spend to be competitive.

Liam has $20.00..what do you have?

[blink]

Free agent Evan Fournier has agreed to a four-year deal that could be worth as much as $78M with the New York Knicks, source tells ESPN.

Last year is a team option. 72/4 guaranteed, probably would have been enough.
Can't believe we let another good player go for nothing.

Look at where we were just 4 years ago. Looking to take the league by storm.
And look at the roster now. It's embarrassing.

An embarrassment. Ownership needs to sell if they won't spend to be competitive.

Liam has $20.00..what do you have?

I will def match the $20 from Liam.

[Jvalin]

I’m very disappointed in this but I’m also discovering that I have a much higher opinion of Fournier than just about everyone else so maybe this will be fine.

Also, if the C’s are really punting this year do they feel super confident about Brad Beal next year?

If we miss out on Beal, I'd also be happy with Jaren Jackson Jr. He's coming off a meniscus tear in his left knee. It's possible that the Grizzlies will have second thoughts about offering him a max extension. I guess it depends on how well he plays next season. Obviously, he's nowhere near the player Beal is right now, but he fits the time window of the Jays.

Other potential targets: LaVine, Randle, Collin Sexton. Personally speaking, I'd pass on all 3 of them.

[Ogaju]

Free agent Evan Fournier has agreed to a four-year deal that could be worth as much as $78M with the New York Knicks, source tells ESPN.

Last year is a team option. 72/4 guaranteed, probably would have been enough.
Can't believe we let another good player go for nothing.

Look at where we were just 4 years ago. Looking to take the league by storm.
And look at the roster now. It's embarrassing.

An embarrassment. Ownership needs to sell if they won't spend to be competitive.

Liam has $20.00..what do you have?

I will def match the $20 from Liam.

Nice start……we need to get some heavy hitters. Maybe LeBron wants to add to his portfolio. He can have one of his friends buy the team