NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021

[Who]

The Kings officially announced Friday they have signed Len to a free agent contract, finalizing an agreement they reached earlier in the week. Terms of the deal were not disclosed, but the 7-foot center signed a two-year, $7.65 million deal, sources told The Sacramento Bee.

Sacramento has compiled a fair amount of bigs:

Holmes
Thompson
Alex Len
Damien Jones

added to Bagley and Metu.  Plus they have Harrison Barnes who is a swing.

I wonder if all of this could make Bagley more available.  He would fit our TPE so that gives us some flexibility but it is not clear what they might want back for him.

I don't see what others see in Marvin Bagley. Poor outside shooter. Terrible FT shooter. Inefficient scorer. Bad defender. A 1:1.4 assist to turnover ratio. An average to good rebounder(I say average since he is 6'11".

If there's a PF from the Kings that I want in a trade it's Harrison Barnes. He, like Tatum, is the prototypical, new wave, stretch PF that can play good defense, be a decent rebounder but can shoot the ball and is a very efficient scorer.

I want no part of this generation's Sam Bowie

What I see in Bagley is an improvement over Parker, Ojeleye, and Grant Williams, based on last season.

After the Theis trade (roughly end of March), Parker, GWill, and Ojeleye played 724 total minutes over about 30 games (collective average of 24 min/game).  In those collective 24 minutes, the total per game production from the 3 players was 7.4 pts and 4.0 rebs.

I am looking for a PF that can come in and do more with those 24 minutes.  That is all.  And I think Bagley can do that.  He about doubled that production in roughly 26 min/gm last season.  Plus his is 22 and has potential to figure it out and become a good to very good player, something that is far less likely for Parker or GWilliams.

Bagley is one of those guys who is a center pretending to be a PF. I wish he watched more of guys like Al Horford who made their career as an undersized center. That would free up Bagley so well.

Bagley (PF) would fit well next to Horford (C) here offensively. Horford's perimeter game would allow Bagley to play inside. This is a difference between Markkanen (perimeter scorer) and Bagley (interior scorer) that makes a Bagley-Horford partnership work offensively.

The concern with Bagley is his bad defense. He cannot defend either the PF or C position. Not due to a lack of physical talent but due to a lack of effort. He is plenty gifted enough physically to be a plus defender at either slot.

If available at low cost, I would happily risk it with Bagley because I do like his talent but short term he is not an answer to anything until he commits to playing defense. He is just a liability. Worse than Semi. Is he worse than Grant Williams? That is a tough one. Bad in different ways. Hard to say. Comparable? Anyway, nothing to write home about.

For upside, yes, I would gamble on Bagley but short term Bagley cannot be counted on to contribute to this team. He is a liability until he starts trying on defense.

Edit: I still believe Bagley has All-Star talent if he committed himself. Not optimistic about that happening though. He needs to watch Dave Cowens & Willis Reed. That is how he should play. He plays with good effort when the reward is clear (offense, rebounding). No effort when the reward is not clear (defense). He is throwing away his career.

[gouki88]

The Kings officially announced Friday they have signed Len to a free agent contract, finalizing an agreement they reached earlier in the week. Terms of the deal were not disclosed, but the 7-foot center signed a two-year, $7.65 million deal, sources told The Sacramento Bee.

Sacramento has compiled a fair amount of bigs:

Holmes
Thompson
Alex Len
Damien Jones

added to Bagley and Metu.  Plus they have Harrison Barnes who is a swing.

I wonder if all of this could make Bagley more available.  He would fit our TPE so that gives us some flexibility but it is not clear what they might want back for him.

I don't see what others see in Marvin Bagley. Poor outside shooter. Terrible FT shooter. Inefficient scorer. Bad defender. A 1:1.4 assist to turnover ratio. An average to good rebounder(I say average since he is 6'11".

If there's a PF from the Kings that I want in a trade it's Harrison Barnes. He, like Tatum, is the prototypical, new wave, stretch PF that can play good defense, be a decent rebounder but can shoot the ball and is a very efficient scorer.

I want no part of this generation's Sam Bowie

that's an insult to Bowie.  Bowie was actually a pretty good player when he could get on the court.  but staying healthy enough to get on the court was a huge issue for him.

Bagley isn't a tenth of the player Bowie was.

Except this is not true. Bowie was a better passer and defender, Bagley is a much better scorer and a better rebounder.

Bagley is more like Darko

Boy, that seems like a stretch.  I am not trying to be a Bagley fan boy but Darko in 9 NBA seasons (6 teams) is a career 6 pts / 4 rebs with his best season being about 9 pts / 5 rebs in 2010-11 for MIN where he started 69 games and played 24 min.

Bagley in 3 seasons has a career average of 14.5 pts / 7.5 rebs and is only 22 years old (not 23 until March).  I have no idea how Bagley's career will comp out (Jeff Green for example, in his prime, was around 15 pts / 6 Rebs) but he is already done more than Darko ever did.  Bagley had durability issues in 2019-20 but seemed fine other than that.

I have the opposite reaction. I feel Bagley has not done enough to compare to Darko. Darko was a legit starting center in the NBA. He was a well above average defender, an adequate rebounder, an above average passer & a below average but somewhat useful scorer.

Bagley to this point in his career has been a complete liability. His dreadful defense has cost his team more than negatively than any of his positive contributions add. He is a net negative. He does not deserve to start or play anywhere near as many minutes as he gets. He is a net negative. A stat padder.

Darko did not have as gaudy numbers as Bagley but he helped his teams more than Bagley did.

I wish Darko had of played on better teams so he would've been appreciated more. He was not the star Detroit hoped for but he did become a solid starter. Much like Kwame Brown did.

This has yet to be accomplished by Bagley. First step is getting his defense up to a passable level. Then his offensive skills will allow him to be a positive contributor to his team. An additive player.

But that is something he has not yet done.

I feel like you are grossly overrating Darko's two years of slightly less terrible play. Darko had two years of starting (not sure that makes him qualify as a "legit starting centre"), and in those two years he was the same as always - weak rebounder, horribly inefficient, foul-prone and weak passer. I guess he played some good defence at times?

Do you want an useless offensive player with decent defence or a useless defensive player with no offence?

[nickagneta]

Bagley is this generation's Sam Bowie not because of position played or how much stats they both emptily put up. It's because they were both chosen second before an All-Time great player(which MJ was and Luka is turning into) while being a bust of a #2 pick. And yeah, I see Bagley as a bust. I think he is a terrible basketball player that will only impact your team negatively.

[gouki88]

Bagley is this generation's Sam Bowie not because of position played or how much stats they both emptily put up. It's because they were both chosen second before an All-Time great player(which MJ was and Luka is turning into) while being a bust of a #2 pick. And yeah, I see Bagley as a bust. I think he is a terrible basketball player that will only impact your team negatively.

That's fair. I think Sacramento can make players seem worse than they are, but he's also very injury-prone. I'd take him as a bench scoring option now that he's shooting from three a bit, but he's lower on my list of desired bench PFs than quite a few guys

[sgrogan]

Bagley is this generation's Sam Bowie not because of position played or how much stats they both emptily put up. It's because they were both chosen second before an All-Time great player(which MJ was and Luka is turning into) while being a bust of a #2 pick. And yeah, I see Bagley as a bust. I think he is a terrible basketball player that will only impact your team negatively.

I agree with most of this, but he's more durable than Bowie.

And is he more negative than Parker?
I think this is the key. If you can have him for minimal acquisition cost (say for nothing) and it's Wyc's money. Parker vs Bagley?

[Roy H.]

Shams with a few rumors:

Along with Brooklyn and Golden State, the Bulls are pursuing free-agent forward Paul Millsap, sources said. Millsap, a battle-tested 15-year NBA veteran, finished a four-year stint in Denver in which the Nuggets had a 64.7 percent winning percentage and reached the Western Conference finals in 2020. At 35, Millsap’s steal and block rates per 36 minutes were in line with his career average, and last season, his 56.5 percent true shooting percentage was around his career average.

 The Clippers are expressing interest in Millsap as well, sources said.

Center DeAndre Jordan and the Nets are working toward parting ways via contract buyout, sources tell me and Alex Schiffer. Jordan is increasingly unlikely to be part of the organization moving forward, but the sides have not made a final decision. Jordan did not appear in the Nets’ last 16 games of the 2020-21 season and playoffs.

The Suns are among the contenders who have pursued Spurs forward Thaddeus Young, sources said. San Antonio acquired Young in a sign-and-trade — along with a first-round pick and two second-round picks — and now are expected to receive strong interest in the veteran forward from competitive teams. Young averaged 12.1 points, 6.2 rebounds and 4.3 assists while playing in 68 games (23 starts) and shooting 55.9 percent from the field a season ago.

[Birdman]

I’m sure Lakers will get Jordan

[action781]

I’m sure Lakers will get Jordan

I feel like there are no minutes there for him behind Marc Gasol, Anthony Davis, and Dwight.  If he wants to play no minutes and take a free ride to a title, he could just stay in Brooklyn.

[action781]

I don't see many teams that are in the market for Deandre Jordan.  Maybe GSW.

[Roy H.]

As the season is nearing, the Golden State Warriors are still exploring options to improve their roster. Free-agent point guard Darren Collison will have a workout with the team this week, according to Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports. The 34-year-old has been retired since 2019. The opportunity to return to the NBA could be this season.

[Celtics2021]

I’m sure Lakers will get Jordan

I feel like there are no minutes there for him behind Marc Gasol, Anthony Davis, and Dwight.  If he wants to play no minutes and take a free ride to a title, he could just stay in Brooklyn.

With the Rondo signing official, the Lakers roster is now full with 15 guaranteed contracts, so it doesn't make sense from a roster standpoint in multiple ways.

[tonydelk]

Feel bad for IT.  With Rondo going to the Lakers after his buyout no spot for him on that team.  Can't believe he can't even get a camp invite.  I'm shocked he hasn't signed a deal overseas.  I'm sure he can make some money in Europe or China.  They'd love the little guy over there.

[Roy H.]

I’m sure Lakers will get Jordan

I feel like there are no minutes there for him behind Marc Gasol, Anthony Davis, and Dwight.  If he wants to play no minutes and take a free ride to a title, he could just stay in Brooklyn.

With the Rondo signing official, the Lakers roster is now full with 15 guaranteed contracts, so it doesn't make sense from a roster standpoint in multiple ways.

Are you sure? I thought this only brought them to 13.

[Celtics2021]

I’m sure Lakers will get Jordan

I feel like there are no minutes there for him behind Marc Gasol, Anthony Davis, and Dwight.  If he wants to play no minutes and take a free ride to a title, he could just stay in Brooklyn.

With the Rondo signing official, the Lakers roster is now full with 15 guaranteed contracts, so it doesn't make sense from a roster standpoint in multiple ways.

Are you sure? I thought this only brought them to 13.

You’re right.  Spotrac has them at 14 excluding Rondo, but seems to be including their Exhibit 10s in that count, which they don’t always do for other teams.  I just looked at the number and didn’t count the players.  Seems like they’re adding more details to the salary cap pages this year and have some bugs to work out.  (Including correcting cap holds, because Fournier is gone from Boston.)

[action781]

I’m sure Lakers will get Jordan

I feel like there are no minutes there for him behind Marc Gasol, Anthony Davis, and Dwight.  If he wants to play no minutes and take a free ride to a title, he could just stay in Brooklyn.

With the Rondo signing official, the Lakers roster is now full with 15 guaranteed contracts, so it doesn't make sense from a roster standpoint in multiple ways.

Hate to say it, but the Lakers roster looks great.  They've got 13 legit rotational players on that team.  Curious how it all meshes, but they're in good shape to weather injuries.