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Re: Beal trade idea?
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2021, 03:34:04 AM »

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Warriors might be putting an offer together for Beal, could be better than anything we could do...

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263417/Warriors-Big-3-Pressuring-Front-Office-To-Make-Big-Trade-With-Bradley-Beal-On-Radar
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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2021, 07:16:52 AM »

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If Lakers get Westbrook, then I think Beal would want out
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2021, 07:46:21 AM »

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The article linking Beal to GSW is pretty soft.  Not sure what "is deemed" means and who exactly has deemed this.  Does GSW really need another scoring focused guard?  Is that really the best fit for them?

GSW has Wiggins, Wiseman, and #14 to work with.  That is a great package.  I don't see them using this on Beal though.

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Bradley Beal is deemed the best player and best fit for the Warriors among the players who could potentially become available.

Beal has so far held firm that he would like to remain with the Washington Wizards and has not requested a trade. Beal has two year at $71.8 million remaining on his deal, including a $37.3 million player option for 22-23.

While the Warriors would also be interested in Damian Lillard, multiple sources said the team doesn't suspect he would want to join their team.

Any deal for Beal would have to include Andrew Wiggins to make the salaries match. Golden State would also likely need to send both of their 2021 first round picks and possibly James Wiseman as part of the package.

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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2021, 07:49:20 AM »

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If Washington could get Wiseman, Wiggins & 2 1st for Beal, I do that in a heartbeat
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2021, 07:51:06 AM »

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And if Washington do that deal to GS, then trade Westbrook to Lakers for Kuzman, Schroeder & Horton
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2021, 02:42:54 PM »

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Can someone explain why they think teams are going to give up a star player or several young players and multiple first round picks for Beal who is going to be a FA after this coming season?

Kawhi Leonard, a top 5 player in the NBA, who was traded to Toronto and a free agent at the end of the that season yielded: DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poletl  and 1 first rounder(29th pick that year).

Kyrie Irving, who is also a better player than Beal and had 2 years remaining on his contract yielded: IT, Crowder, Zizic (all were basically salary fillers as they were gone the following year ) and one first round pick.
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2021, 03:25:19 PM »

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Can someone explain why they think teams are going to give up a star player or several young players and multiple first round picks for Beal who is going to be a FA after this coming season?

Kawhi Leonard, a top 5 player in the NBA, who was traded to Toronto and a free agent at the end of the that season yielded: DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poletl  and 1 first rounder(29th pick that year).

Kyrie Irving, who is also a better player than Beal and had 2 years remaining on his contract yielded: IT, Crowder, Zizic (all were basically salary fillers as they were gone the following year ) and one first round pick.

Kawhi, had serious medical issues and refused to allow teams to do a medical examination, that’s why his stock dropped.

In regards to Kyrie, IT was coming off a top five MVP finish and Cleveland wasn’t aware of how bad his hip was, so he was a star player and that Brooklyn pick was seen as a very possible number 1 pick. You also have to take into account that Irving asked out and threatened to shut his last season down by having surgery.

Like everything, trade returns are situational based. Look at New Orleans, even though Davis only wanted the Lakers, they fleeced Los Angeles with Ingram, Ball, 4th pick and 2 other long term picks.
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« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2021, 03:31:13 PM »

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Count me as one who thinks Beal wouldn’t be worth the price we’d need to pay in a trade.  He’s not a Harden IMO.

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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2021, 03:46:26 PM »

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IMO we can’t trade for Beal…simply because the haul involved will out-way the performance return (2 steps forward, 1.5 back).

The Warriors can simply offer the Wizards, Wiseman, Wiggins, 7th pick, 14th pick and future 1sts. Celtics can’t/shouldn’t match that, so the only way we get Beal IMO, is through free agency.
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2021, 03:55:49 PM »

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Can someone explain why they think teams are going to give up a star player or several young players and multiple first round picks for Beal who is going to be a FA after this coming season?

Kawhi Leonard, a top 5 player in the NBA, who was traded to Toronto and a free agent at the end of the that season yielded: DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poletl  and 1 first rounder(29th pick that year).

Kyrie Irving, who is also a better player than Beal and had 2 years remaining on his contract yielded: IT, Crowder, Zizic (all were basically salary fillers as they were gone the following year ) and one first round pick.

Kawhi, had serious medical issues and refused to allow teams to do a medical examination, that’s why his stock dropped.

In regards to Kyrie, IT was coming off a top five MVP finish and Cleveland wasn’t aware of how bad his hip was, so he was a star player and that Brooklyn pick was seen as a very possible number 1 pick. You also have to take into account that Irving asked out and threatened to shut his last season down by having surgery.

Like everything, trade returns are situational based. Look at New Orleans, even though Davis only wanted the Lakers, they fleeced Los Angeles with Ingram, Ball, 4th pick and 2 other long term picks.
In the LA situation, there wa sa much different dynamic. 1. The Lebron factor of pulling the strings and 2. The Lakers could not sign AD as an FA. Cs could just wait until Beal opts out to try and get him assuming he is not going to opt into his option year.

I guess in the end it will depend on how Beal goes about it. If he says if only re-sign with the Cs, sort of limits what the other teams would offer for a one year rental.

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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2021, 04:09:40 PM »

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Can someone explain why they think teams are going to give up a star player or several young players and multiple first round picks for Beal who is going to be a FA after this coming season?

Kawhi Leonard, a top 5 player in the NBA, who was traded to Toronto and a free agent at the end of the that season yielded: DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poletl  and 1 first rounder(29th pick that year).

Kyrie Irving, who is also a better player than Beal and had 2 years remaining on his contract yielded: IT, Crowder, Zizic (all were basically salary fillers as they were gone the following year ) and one first round pick.

Kawhi, had serious medical issues and refused to allow teams to do a medical examination, that’s why his stock dropped.

In regards to Kyrie, IT was coming off a top five MVP finish and Cleveland wasn’t aware of how bad his hip was, so he was a star player and that Brooklyn pick was seen as a very possible number 1 pick. You also have to take into account that Irving asked out and threatened to shut his last season down by having surgery.

Like everything, trade returns are situational based. Look at New Orleans, even though Davis only wanted the Lakers, they fleeced Los Angeles with Ingram, Ball, 4th pick and 2 other long term picks.

Kawhi was 27 years old when he was traded to Toronto and had been dealing with a strained quad. Not sure you can classify that as a serious medical condition. IT on the other hand, had a labral tear that required hip resurfacing. Also, if Beal gets traded it will be because he asked to be moved, just like Kyrie did.

The Lakers did give up a lot for AD, but it was pretty much a given that he was going to re-sign with LA, as that was the only team he wanted to be moved to. He was also a top 5 player in the NBA, which Beal certainly is not.
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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2021, 05:23:42 PM »

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The only way Beal come to Boston is if he pulls an AD.  I don't see Beal being like that.  I think the only realistic shot the C's have at Beal is via FA.

Now if the C's can move Smart for a decent pick and Thompson for an asset then they may have something.  Right now the C's picks plus young talent don't move the needle.

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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2021, 05:31:20 PM »

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The only way Beal come to Boston is if he pulls an AD.  I don't see Beal being like that.  I think the only realistic shot the C's have at Beal is via FA.

Now if the C's can move Smart for a decent pick and Thompson for an asset then they may have something.  Right now the C's picks plus young talent don't move the needle.
Could always be a 3 team deal to make it work. Flip Smart/TT etc to some team, that other teams flips picks and a prospect, Cs send a prospect/picks too

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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2021, 06:32:42 PM »

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The article linking Beal to GSW is pretty soft.  Not sure what "is deemed" means and who exactly has deemed this.  Does GSW really need another scoring focused guard?  Is that really the best fit for them?

GSW has Wiggins, Wiseman, and #14 to work with.  That is a great package.  I don't see them using this on Beal though.

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Bradley Beal is deemed the best player and best fit for the Warriors among the players who could potentially become available.

Beal has so far held firm that he would like to remain with the Washington Wizards and has not requested a trade. Beal has two year at $71.8 million remaining on his deal, including a $37.3 million player option for 22-23.

While the Warriors would also be interested in Damian Lillard, multiple sources said the team doesn't suspect he would want to join their team.

Any deal for Beal would have to include Andrew Wiggins to make the salaries match. Golden State would also likely need to send both of their 2021 first round picks and possibly James Wiseman as part of the package.
Yeah, I feel like using that package on Siakam or someone more defensive minded would be much better for them
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2021, 06:36:29 PM »

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If Lakers get Westbrook, then I think Beal would want out

My guess would be that the Lakers Westbrook deal would be in reaction to a Beal trade.

Washington could potentially get

From Warriors
Wiseman
Wiggins
#7
#14

From Lakers
Schroeder
Kuzma
Horton-Tucker

I would assume Kuzma will be shopped to a 3rd team for future assets given that the wizards already have Rui and Advija.

I would also assume that they would try really hard to use Kuzma, 7, 14, 15 to try to trade up into the top 4. Suggs would be a great addition to this mix of pieces if those trades happen.

A Celtics angle for all this would be the possibility that the Cs make a run at a Bertrand trade. Thompson and G Williams for Bertans? If FA Beal is likely off the market ( unless GS ages poorly and he wants out) this trade would gain the Cs an interesting fit at the 4.
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