Beal trade idea?

[liam]

Boston Celtics Receive: G Bradley Beal

Washington Wizards Receive: G Evan Fournier (via sign-and-trade), G Marcus Smart, G Carsen Edwards, BOS 2022 1st Round Pick (Swap, More Favorable to WAS), BOS 2023 1st Round Pick (Unprotected), BOS 2024 1st Round Pick (Swap, More Favorable to WAS), BOS 2025 1st Round Pick (Unprotected), BOS 2027 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/07/20/nba-rumors-boston-celtics-washington-wizards-trade-bradley-beal/2/

[Celtics2021]

The absolute only way that deal should even be considered is if Beal exercises his 2022-23 player option at the time of the trade.  Otherwise, that’s flat out ridiculous.

[liam]

The absolute only way that deal should even be considered is if Beal exercises his 2022-23 player option at the time of the trade.  Otherwise, that’s flat out ridiculous.

Agreed but a deal that puts Beal, Brown, and Tatum together is a shot at the championship. The team would still need building.

[Vermont Green]

It is a a reasonable trade but only happens if Beal demands it, threatening to walk otherwise.  Beal would have to accept some form of extension as well like KG did, or at least the 2022-23 season option, as was mentioned earlier.

I do this trade but I don't really like the resulting team.  I think we then have to trade Brown for a big.  Maybe Sabonis, maybe Towns, something like that.  For example, maybe we could get Sabonis and a pick.

The article is a little soft, it has Smart as a 3 and D (I guess the D part) and has Edwards as an "intriguing young prospect".  Well if WAS believes that, great.

Smart has always been known to be a “3-and-D” type of shooting guard who can play with or without the ball in his hands

Carsen Edwards is also an intriguing young prospect that could be of interest to the Wizards. Trading Beal leaves the Wizards’ backcourt very thin, especially with Raul Neto and Ish Smith both being free agents this offseason. At Purdue, Edwards was an offensive star and averaged 24.3 points per game his final season, which is why he could potentially make a difference as Russell Westbrook’s back-up if given the chance.

[nickagneta]

Beal isn't the same caliber player as some recent ones that got 6-7 picks and swaps in the trade. If Fournier and Smart are going to Washington, those are some high quality players. I think 2 picks and or swaps is more in line if that's what is heading out. Now if Smart is retained and Thompson going out instead, with maybe Grant too for salary matching purposes, then yeah, I can see another pick going out. Either way I don't see it necessary doing 5 or more picks and swaps if Fournier is a part of the deal. 2-3 yeah, but not 5.

[Vermont Green]

The Wizard won 2 less games than the Celtics last season.  The more I think about this, why would they trade Beal.  They should get Thomas Bryant back and they could be a pretty good team.  I just don't see them trading Beal unless absolutely forced to.  The presumption seems to be that they will want to blow it up, get what they can for Beal.  They were playing pretty well at the end of the season and should improve.  Why blow that up?

[jambr380]

The Wizard won 2 less games than the Celtics last season.  The more I think about this, why would they trade Beal.  They should get Thomas Bryant back and they could be a pretty good team.  I just don't see them trading Beal unless absolutely forced to.  The presumption seems to be that they will want to blow it up, get what they can for Beal.  They were playing pretty well at the end of the season and should improve.  Why blow that up?

This came up in another thread, but I actually think WAS is in a worse situation than a team like Orlando. Orlando traded several pieces last trade deadline (including an all-star) and have now chosen to rebuild with young players and picks, rather than continuing to be mediocre. If the Wizards choose to try to compete, they are just delaying the inevitable. They should get what they can for Beal, attempt to offload Westbrook and Bertans and rebuild. They are going nowhere as is.

As for only finishing 2 games behind Boston. For one, the Cs were ravaged by injuries. Also, our two best players/All-Stars are under 25 years old and under contract for several more years. Boston is on the upswing, WAS...is not.

[Moranis]

Beal isn't the same caliber player as some recent ones that got 6-7 picks and swaps in the trade. If Fournier and Smart are going to Washington, those are some high quality players. I think 2 picks and or swaps is more in line if that's what is heading out. Now if Smart is retained and Thompson going out instead, with maybe Grant too for salary matching purposes, then yeah, I can see another pick going out. Either way I don't see it necessary doing 5 or more picks and swaps if Fournier is a part of the deal. 2-3 yeah, but not 5.

Fournier got traded for 2nd round picks.  I just don't think he has much value in a trade and has no real value to a rebuilding team at all. 

[Celtics2021]

Beal isn't the same caliber player as some recent ones that got 6-7 picks and swaps in the trade. If Fournier and Smart are going to Washington, those are some high quality players. I think 2 picks and or swaps is more in line if that's what is heading out. Now if Smart is retained and Thompson going out instead, with maybe Grant too for salary matching purposes, then yeah, I can see another pick going out. Either way I don't see it necessary doing 5 or more picks and swaps if Fournier is a part of the deal. 2-3 yeah, but not 5.

Fournier got traded for 2nd round picks.  I just don't think he has much value in a trade and has no real value to a rebuilding team at all.

Two points:

1) His trade value was limited as an expiring.  His value to teams will be demonstrated by what he commands in free agency.
2) Washington is highly unlikely to want to enter a pure rebuild if they trade Beal.  Ownership wants a competitive team every year, and in Washington, that means make the playoffs, not compete for a title.  Fournier very much would have value to them as someone who can keep that team at least in the hunt for the 8 seed.  Whether or not that should be their plan is a different story, but their owner has been very clear on that over the years, and having made the playoffs this year isn't likely to change his opinion.

[Vermont Green]

The Wizard won 2 less games than the Celtics last season.  The more I think about this, why would they trade Beal.  They should get Thomas Bryant back and they could be a pretty good team.  I just don't see them trading Beal unless absolutely forced to.  The presumption seems to be that they will want to blow it up, get what they can for Beal.  They were playing pretty well at the end of the season and should improve.  Why blow that up?

This came up in another thread, but I actually think WAS is in a worse situation than a team like Orlando. Orlando traded several pieces last trade deadline (including an all-star) and have now chosen to rebuild with young players and picks, rather than continuing to be mediocre. If the Wizards choose to try to compete, they are just delaying the inevitable. They should get what they can for Beal, attempt to offload Westbrook and Bertans and rebuild. They are going nowhere as is.

As for only finishing 2 games behind Boston. For one, the Cs were ravaged by injuries. Also, our two best players/All-Stars are under 25 years old and under contract for several more years. Boston is on the upswing, WAS...is not.

I agree, at least mostly, with this but there are some here that want to blow up the Celtics so there is quite a range when considering the position of these franchises.  And as to the upswing, Washington finished the season on an upswing and they will be adding a very nice young big to the team.  I agree that they will not contend for a title with Westbrook but they can remain an entertaining playoff team. 

Westbrook and Beal are on the same contract timeline, booked for next season and then a player option in 2022-23.  Hard to imagine that Beal won't opt out as he would likely get more money.  Westbrook with a $47M option likely takes it.  It is a tough situation but building around Beal, Westbrook, and Bryant is not horrible.  That is potentially 3 all stars.  Losing Beal for nothing is obviously a bad outcome also but is that risk worth trading him for pennies on the dollar?  I am just saying that I don't think Washington will trade Beal unless he flat out forces it by saying no way I will sign with you, I am opting out and I am gone.  And maybe Beal will do that but he will be limited where he can go unless there is a sign and trade.  There will not be all that many teams that could sign him outright, and probably not any of the good teams.

[Birdman]

A lot of picks to give up

[LilRip]

Too many picks being given up but if you can get Beal by giving up Smart+Fournier+Filler, I don’t see how C’s can say no to that.

I’d give at most 3 picks, instead of 5. Ideally just 2 unprotected 1sts, but maybe a swap if there can be some light protection in some of the 1sts (top 3 or 5 protected?).

Beal-Brown-Tatum is a killer trio though, plus we’ll have Horford as a steady vet. If we can attract a ring-chasing PG for cheap (Rondo??? Lol) we’d be all set.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Fournier would have to agree to be traded to … the wizards in a rebuild. How much would his next contract need to be to convince him to do that? 100m over 4 years?

[Celtics2021]

Fournier would have to agree to be traded to … the wizards in a rebuild. How much would his next contract need to be to convince him to do that? 100m over 4 years?

Probably 4 years, ~$88 million, as beyond that base-year compensation rules kick in for how much his new deal can count towards incoming and outgoing salary.

[Irish Stew]

What a great deal for Washington! With Beal, Brown, and Tatum, our picks should be in the 25-30 range. The Wizards should be able to stock up on roster filler players as opposed to the starters and rotation players that they will need. I'm all in favor of this trade, but don't hold your breath.