Idea: Brogdon for Smart, Timelord, Romeo

[Moranis]

No. Why is everyone trying to trade our 3rd and 4th best players ( Rob and Marcus)?  We become much worse defensively.

Since when are Smart and Williams Boston's 3rd and 4th best players.  Horford is still clearly a better player than either of them (and is significantly more valuable as a player).  I think you could pretty reasonably argue that Fournier is better than both of them as well.  Whereas, Brogdon would pretty clearly be the 3rd best player on the Celtics as he is significantly better than either Smart or Williams, he is signed for longer, and is just a better fit given his good shooter, passing, etc. while still playing + defense. 

Boston should do this trade every single day of the week.  Frankly, they should try to get Turner back as well who Indy might not want to pay anyway

Brogdon, Turner for Smart, Thompson, R. Williams, Langford


Boston

PG - Brogdon, Pritchard, Edwards
SG - Brown, Fournier
SF - Tatum, Nesmith, Ojeleye
PF - Horford, Parker, G. Williams
C - Turner, Brown, Kornet

A few minutes in, you bring in Fournier for Horford or Turner and go a bit smaller, but I like the size to start.

My conclusions are based upon projecting forward the next 2-4 years. I project that Rob Williams will continue to get better. I project the same for Romeo Langford.  Romeo is on the cusp of  being our best multi positional defender.  For Rob, it is statistically supported. For Romeo, it is gut/eyeball test. 

As for Smart, I am fine trading him and future picks for Brogdon, but not giving up contract controlled young guys who are just starting to blossom. That is just dumb every day and twice on Sunday.  Horford is at an age where he should not be expected to play more than 20 -25 minutes a game.  You have no other center besides TT if you make that trade (Moses Brown is a joke), and TT just doesn't blend well with our team.

Fournier is not on the roster, he is a free agent. And I am skeptical we will be re-signing him.  But yes, if he came back, he would be better currently than Smart and Rob. Although a case could be made that if Rob Williams is healthy, he would still be our 3rd best player.

No guarantee that any of those players on the roster in the next 2 to 4 years.  And if you stay with the status quo of a mid-tier type playoff team, then there is no guarantee Tatum or Brown will want to stay when their contracts are up.

And I can almost assure you that Brogdon is going to be better than Smart over the next 2 to 4 years as he is significantly better right now and is still in his 20's.  Williams would have to make an incredible leap and actually be able to play more than 20 mpg without getting hurt for him to have any sort of real value as well. 

I keep hearing from this board that Boston is close, that Boston is a contender, yet time and time again, people don't want to make moves like this that actually make the team better.  If the team is close, then getting better next year should be a no brainer, and acquiring Brogdon will absolutely make the team better.

[wiley]

No. Why is everyone trying to trade our 3rd and 4th best players ( Rob and Marcus)?  We become much worse defensively.

Since when are Smart and Williams Boston's 3rd and 4th best players.  Horford is still clearly a better player than either of them (and is significantly more valuable as a player).  I think you could pretty reasonably argue that Fournier is better than both of them as well.  Whereas, Brogdon would pretty clearly be the 3rd best player on the Celtics as he is significantly better than either Smart or Williams, he is signed for longer, and is just a better fit given his good shooter, passing, etc. while still playing + defense. 

Boston should do this trade every single day of the week.  Frankly, they should try to get Turner back as well who Indy might not want to pay anyway

Brogdon, Turner for Smart, Thompson, R. Williams, Langford


Boston

PG - Brogdon, Pritchard, Edwards
SG - Brown, Fournier
SF - Tatum, Nesmith, Ojeleye
PF - Horford, Parker, G. Williams
C - Turner, Brown, Kornet

A few minutes in, you bring in Fournier for Horford or Turner and go a bit smaller, but I like the size to start.

My conclusions are based upon projecting forward the next 2-4 years. I project that Rob Williams will continue to get better. I project the same for Romeo Langford.  Romeo is on the cusp of  being our best multi positional defender.  For Rob, it is statistically supported. For Romeo, it is gut/eyeball test. 

As for Smart, I am fine trading him and future picks for Brogdon, but not giving up contract controlled young guys who are just starting to blossom. That is just dumb every day and twice on Sunday.  Horford is at an age where he should not be expected to play more than 20 -25 minutes a game.  You have no other center besides TT if you make that trade (Moses Brown is a joke), and TT just doesn't blend well with our team.

Fournier is not on the roster, he is a free agent. And I am skeptical we will be re-signing him.  But yes, if he came back, he would be better currently than Smart and Rob. Although a case could be made that if Rob Williams is healthy, he would still be our 3rd best player.

No guarantee that any of those players on the roster in the next 2 to 4 years.  And if you stay with the status quo of a mid-tier type playoff team, then there is no guarantee Tatum or Brown will want to stay when their contracts are up.

And I can almost assure you that Brogdon is going to be better than Smart over the next 2 to 4 years as he is significantly better right now and is still in his 20's.  Williams would have to make an incredible leap and actually be able to play more than 20 mpg without getting hurt for him to have any sort of real value as well. 

I keep hearing from this board that Boston is close, that Boston is a contender, yet time and time again, people don't want to make moves like this that actually make the team better.  If the team is close, then getting better next year should be a no brainer, and acquiring Brogdon will absolutely make the team better.

Each poster has their own idea about how close or not close the C's are.  You are one of the strongest voices on the issue of closeness, constantly arguing that the C's are not at all close due to a deficiency in talent.  With that view, do you really think it's wise to jettison Smart, Robert Williams and Romeo for 29 year old Brogdon, with significant injury history? 

I have no issue with the C's trying to attain a PG. Has to be a good deal for both teams though...

fwiw, I am definitely a fan of Brogdon. But to get crazy over him with fit in mind is not wise.

[PAOBoston]

Brogdon doesn't push anyone over the top.
He is a lesser player than Smart.

Man, people really overrate Marcus Smart so much in this city. Brogdon is better at pretty much everything as a basketball player than Marcus Smart outside of defense (and even after Smarts defense letdown last season, that might be questionable now). Brogdon is a solid defender. Maybe not former all nba but he’s not awful. And considering he literally better at everything else (shooting/rebounding/playmaking/FT shooting/3 pt shooting) and is signed longer term to a good deal, I honestly don’t get the hesitation.

Romeo Langford is a nobody and has zero value.

Timelord is an expiring player who is oft injured and not start Lee quality because he literally can’t play more than 20 mins a game or otherwise his body will shatter. I’m not even positive he starts this year with Horford back either. Also don’t think the Cs want to pay him.

he's definitely not.  you may not think much of him but the kid has shown he can play NBA quality D.  I suspect him attending training camp fully healthy for the first time will improve his game noticeably.   He's not a throw in for a deal to dump him --> that would be Edwards.

Based off what? The 10 games he was healthy in two years? The guy can’t shoot. He can’t score. Had some nice defensive glimpses. He’s going on year three. Langford should not be a hold up to getting a better player on the roster lol.

[footey]

Brogdon doesn't push anyone over the top.
He is a lesser player than Smart.

Man, people really overrate Marcus Smart so much in this city. Brogdon is better at pretty much everything as a basketball player than Marcus Smart outside of defense (and even after Smarts defense letdown last season, that might be questionable now). Brogdon is a solid defender. Maybe not former all nba but he’s not awful. And considering he literally better at everything else (shooting/rebounding/playmaking/FT shooting/3 pt shooting) and is signed longer term to a good deal, I honestly don’t get the hesitation.

Romeo Langford is a nobody and has zero value.

Timelord is an expiring player who is oft injured and not start Lee quality because he literally can’t play more than 20 mins a game or otherwise his body will shatter. I’m not even positive he starts this year with Horford back either. Also don’t think the Cs want to pay him.

he's definitely not.  you may not think much of him but the kid has shown he can play NBA quality D.  I suspect him attending training camp fully healthy for the first time will improve his game noticeably.   He's not a throw in for a deal to dump him --> that would be Edwards.

Based off what? The 10 games he was healthy in two years? The guy can’t shoot. He can’t score. Had some nice defensive glimpses. He’s going on year three. Langford should not be a hold up to getting a better player on the roster lol.

So said Chris Wallace and Rick Pitino. 

[Moranis]

No. Why is everyone trying to trade our 3rd and 4th best players ( Rob and Marcus)?  We become much worse defensively.

Since when are Smart and Williams Boston's 3rd and 4th best players.  Horford is still clearly a better player than either of them (and is significantly more valuable as a player).  I think you could pretty reasonably argue that Fournier is better than both of them as well.  Whereas, Brogdon would pretty clearly be the 3rd best player on the Celtics as he is significantly better than either Smart or Williams, he is signed for longer, and is just a better fit given his good shooter, passing, etc. while still playing + defense. 

Boston should do this trade every single day of the week.  Frankly, they should try to get Turner back as well who Indy might not want to pay anyway

Brogdon, Turner for Smart, Thompson, R. Williams, Langford


Boston

PG - Brogdon, Pritchard, Edwards
SG - Brown, Fournier
SF - Tatum, Nesmith, Ojeleye
PF - Horford, Parker, G. Williams
C - Turner, Brown, Kornet

A few minutes in, you bring in Fournier for Horford or Turner and go a bit smaller, but I like the size to start.

My conclusions are based upon projecting forward the next 2-4 years. I project that Rob Williams will continue to get better. I project the same for Romeo Langford.  Romeo is on the cusp of  being our best multi positional defender.  For Rob, it is statistically supported. For Romeo, it is gut/eyeball test. 

As for Smart, I am fine trading him and future picks for Brogdon, but not giving up contract controlled young guys who are just starting to blossom. That is just dumb every day and twice on Sunday.  Horford is at an age where he should not be expected to play more than 20 -25 minutes a game.  You have no other center besides TT if you make that trade (Moses Brown is a joke), and TT just doesn't blend well with our team.

Fournier is not on the roster, he is a free agent. And I am skeptical we will be re-signing him.  But yes, if he came back, he would be better currently than Smart and Rob. Although a case could be made that if Rob Williams is healthy, he would still be our 3rd best player.

No guarantee that any of those players on the roster in the next 2 to 4 years.  And if you stay with the status quo of a mid-tier type playoff team, then there is no guarantee Tatum or Brown will want to stay when their contracts are up.

And I can almost assure you that Brogdon is going to be better than Smart over the next 2 to 4 years as he is significantly better right now and is still in his 20's.  Williams would have to make an incredible leap and actually be able to play more than 20 mpg without getting hurt for him to have any sort of real value as well. 

I keep hearing from this board that Boston is close, that Boston is a contender, yet time and time again, people don't want to make moves like this that actually make the team better.  If the team is close, then getting better next year should be a no brainer, and acquiring Brogdon will absolutely make the team better.

Each poster has their own idea about how close or not close the C's are.  You are one of the strongest voices on the issue of closeness, constantly arguing that the C's are not at all close due to a deficiency in talent.  With that view, do you really think it's wise to jettison Smart, Robert Williams and Romeo for 29 year old Brogdon, with significant injury history? 

I have no issue with the C's trying to attain a PG. Has to be a good deal for both teams though...

fwiw, I am definitely a fan of Brogdon. But to get crazy over him with fit in mind is not wise.

Sure because Brogdon is still young enough and is BY FAR the best player in that trade.  Smart is a role player with an injury history as well.  Williams and Langford are both super injury prone as well.  Trading some role players for a clear upgrade should always be done.

[Rikibellevie]

No. Why is everyone trying to trade our 3rd and 4th best players ( Rob and Marcus)?  We become much worse defensively.

Since when are Smart and Williams Boston's 3rd and 4th best players.  Horford is still clearly a better player than either of them (and is significantly more valuable as a player).  I think you could pretty reasonably argue that Fournier is better than both of them as well.  Whereas, Brogdon would pretty clearly be the 3rd best player on the Celtics as he is significantly better than either Smart or Williams, he is signed for longer, and is just a better fit given his good shooter, passing, etc. while still playing + defense. 

Boston should do this trade every single day of the week.  Frankly, they should try to get Turner back as well who Indy might not want to pay anyway

Brogdon, Turner for Smart, Thompson, R. Williams, Langford


Boston

PG - Brogdon, Pritchard, Edwards
SG - Brown, Fournier
SF - Tatum, Nesmith, Ojeleye
PF - Horford, Parker, G. Williams
C - Turner, Brown, Kornet

A few minutes in, you bring in Fournier for Horford or Turner and go a bit smaller, but I like the size to start.

My conclusions are based upon projecting forward the next 2-4 years. I project that Rob Williams will continue to get better. I project the same for Romeo Langford.  Romeo is on the cusp of  being our best multi positional defender.  For Rob, it is statistically supported. For Romeo, it is gut/eyeball test. 

As for Smart, I am fine trading him and future picks for Brogdon, but not giving up contract controlled young guys who are just starting to blossom. That is just dumb every day and twice on Sunday.  Horford is at an age where he should not be expected to play more than 20 -25 minutes a game.  You have no other center besides TT if you make that trade (Moses Brown is a joke), and TT just doesn't blend well with our team.

Fournier is not on the roster, he is a free agent. And I am skeptical we will be re-signing him.  But yes, if he came back, he would be better currently than Smart and Rob. Although a case could be made that if Rob Williams is healthy, he would still be our 3rd best player.

No guarantee that any of those players on the roster in the next 2 to 4 years.  And if you stay with the status quo of a mid-tier type playoff team, then there is no guarantee Tatum or Brown will want to stay when their contracts are up.

And I can almost assure you that Brogdon is going to be better than Smart over the next 2 to 4 years as he is significantly better right now and is still in his 20's.  Williams would have to make an incredible leap and actually be able to play more than 20 mpg without getting hurt for him to have any sort of real value as well. 

I keep hearing from this board that Boston is close, that Boston is a contender, yet time and time again, people don't want to make moves like this that actually make the team better.  If the team is close, then getting better next year should be a no brainer, and acquiring Brogdon will absolutely make the team better.

Each poster has their own idea about how close or not close the C's are.  You are one of the strongest voices on the issue of closeness, constantly arguing that the C's are not at all close due to a deficiency in talent.  With that view, do you really think it's wise to jettison Smart, Robert Williams and Romeo for 29 year old Brogdon, with significant injury history? 

I have no issue with the C's trying to attain a PG. Has to be a good deal for both teams though...

fwiw, I am definitely a fan of Brogdon. But to get crazy over him with fit in mind is not wise.

Sure because Brogdon is still young enough and is BY FAR the best player in that trade.  Smart is a role player with an injury history as well.  Williams and Langford are both super injury prone as well.  Trading some role players for a clear upgrade should always be done.

It is a trade that would really interrogates me. I am a Smart and a Timelord lover, not a hard believer of Langford offensive production, but I would probably do it, ironically if we keep Langford and give a future first instead.
I would hate to loose of my C's favorite, but I think the PG position is a huge need and that a healthy Brogdon gives polyvalence, IQ and sharing of the ball with an OK to good defense. Keep Langford for specific defensive missions from the bench.

The real good reason of this trade is punting totally Jokic or Embid in 2023 (who will be more attractive to build a great Big 3 ?), with Horford and Brogdon expiring in 2023, so giving 2 years with this team. We would have no question all year long about Smart and Timelord extension. We could also clearly use the MLE or TPE for a correct stretch 4  (Portis, Lyles). The center position wouldn't be great but at least experimented and complementary with Horford-Thompson (if no locker room poison) and Brown. Not great but in 2022, a superstar may take the post, with Nesmith, Madar and Pritchard still under contract.
Outiders for 2 years with the Jays growing, attract the big fish in 2023 and then go for the dinasty. That could be the plan, on the paper.

My heart says no, my brain says yes. Whatever I don't think Indiana do it with Smart probably living (and maybe Timelord injured so extensions questions) in one year.

[Irish Stew]

Brogdon doesn't push anyone over the top.
He is a lesser player than Smart.

Man, people really overrate Marcus Smart so much in this city. Brogdon is better at pretty much everything as a basketball player than Marcus Smart outside of defense (and even after Smarts defense letdown last season, that might be questionable now). Brogdon is a solid defender. Maybe not former all nba but he’s not awful. And considering he literally better at everything else (shooting/rebounding/playmaking/FT shooting/3 pt shooting) and is signed longer term to a good deal, I honestly don’t get the hesitation.

Romeo Langford is a nobody and has zero value.

Timelord is an expiring player who is oft injured and not start Lee quality because he literally can’t play more than 20 mins a game or otherwise his body will shatter. I’m not even positive he starts this year with Horford back either. Also don’t think the Cs want to pay him.

Agree with you almost entirely. The question is not whether the Celtics should do this deal but why should Indiana do this deal? I wouldn't say that Langford has "zero value", because there is some potential there, but he may be the most overvalued player on the team. TL is a complete crapshoot. He may be medically forced to retire in a few years or he could be the 4th or the 5th best starter on a contending team. As for Smart, I don't see how a career 37FG% and 32FG3% is better than Brogdon.

[bogg]

I like Brogdon well enough, but I'd much, much rather attach multiple assets to Fournier in a sign-and-trade and play Malcolm alongside Smart as a super-sturdy defensive backcourt with enough passing to compensate for neither really being a point guard.

[footey]

No. Why is everyone trying to trade our 3rd and 4th best players ( Rob and Marcus)?  We become much worse defensively.

Since when are Smart and Williams Boston's 3rd and 4th best players.  Horford is still clearly a better player than either of them (and is significantly more valuable as a player).  I think you could pretty reasonably argue that Fournier is better than both of them as well.  Whereas, Brogdon would pretty clearly be the 3rd best player on the Celtics as he is significantly better than either Smart or Williams, he is signed for longer, and is just a better fit given his good shooter, passing, etc. while still playing + defense. 

Boston should do this trade every single day of the week.  Frankly, they should try to get Turner back as well who Indy might not want to pay anyway

Brogdon, Turner for Smart, Thompson, R. Williams, Langford


Boston

PG - Brogdon, Pritchard, Edwards
SG - Brown, Fournier
SF - Tatum, Nesmith, Ojeleye
PF - Horford, Parker, G. Williams
C - Turner, Brown, Kornet

A few minutes in, you bring in Fournier for Horford or Turner and go a bit smaller, but I like the size to start.

My conclusions are based upon projecting forward the next 2-4 years. I project that Rob Williams will continue to get better. I project the same for Romeo Langford.  Romeo is on the cusp of  being our best multi positional defender.  For Rob, it is statistically supported. For Romeo, it is gut/eyeball test. 

As for Smart, I am fine trading him and future picks for Brogdon, but not giving up contract controlled young guys who are just starting to blossom. That is just dumb every day and twice on Sunday.  Horford is at an age where he should not be expected to play more than 20 -25 minutes a game.  You have no other center besides TT if you make that trade (Moses Brown is a joke), and TT just doesn't blend well with our team.

Fournier is not on the roster, he is a free agent. And I am skeptical we will be re-signing him.  But yes, if he came back, he would be better currently than Smart and Rob. Although a case could be made that if Rob Williams is healthy, he would still be our 3rd best player.

No guarantee that any of those players on the roster in the next 2 to 4 years.  And if you stay with the status quo of a mid-tier type playoff team, then there is no guarantee Tatum or Brown will want to stay when their contracts are up.

And I can almost assure you that Brogdon is going to be better than Smart over the next 2 to 4 years as he is significantly better right now and is still in his 20's.  Williams would have to make an incredible leap and actually be able to play more than 20 mpg without getting hurt for him to have any sort of real value as well. 

I keep hearing from this board that Boston is close, that Boston is a contender, yet time and time again, people don't want to make moves like this that actually make the team better.  If the team is close, then getting better next year should be a no brainer, and acquiring Brogdon will absolutely make the team better.

Each poster has their own idea about how close or not close the C's are.  You are one of the strongest voices on the issue of closeness, constantly arguing that the C's are not at all close due to a deficiency in talent.  With that view, do you really think it's wise to jettison Smart, Robert Williams and Romeo for 29 year old Brogdon, with significant injury history? 

I have no issue with the C's trying to attain a PG. Has to be a good deal for both teams though...

fwiw, I am definitely a fan of Brogdon. But to get crazy over him with fit in mind is not wise.

Sure because Brogdon is still young enough and is BY FAR the best player in that trade.  Smart is a role player with an injury history as well.  Williams and Langford are both super injury prone as well.  Trading some role players for a clear upgrade should always be done.

Aren’t the medical prognoses on Brogdon worse than Langford and Williams? Isn’t that why his stock dropped in the draft and why the Bucks dumped him?

[Vox_Populi]

Easy pass for me personally. Less because I'm opposed to trading any combination of those three, or think Smart is better than Brogdon individually, and more because I don't think very much of Brogdon.

[slamtheking]

Brogdon doesn't push anyone over the top.
He is a lesser player than Smart.

Man, people really overrate Marcus Smart so much in this city. Brogdon is better at pretty much everything as a basketball player than Marcus Smart outside of defense (and even after Smarts defense letdown last season, that might be questionable now). Brogdon is a solid defender. Maybe not former all nba but he’s not awful. And considering he literally better at everything else (shooting/rebounding/playmaking/FT shooting/3 pt shooting) and is signed longer term to a good deal, I honestly don’t get the hesitation.

Romeo Langford is a nobody and has zero value.

Timelord is an expiring player who is oft injured and not start Lee quality because he literally can’t play more than 20 mins a game or otherwise his body will shatter. I’m not even positive he starts this year with Horford back either. Also don’t think the Cs want to pay him.

he's definitely not.  you may not think much of him but the kid has shown he can play NBA quality D.  I suspect him attending training camp fully healthy for the first time will improve his game noticeably.   He's not a throw in for a deal to dump him --> that would be Edwards.

Based off what? The 10 games he was healthy in two years? The guy can’t shoot. He can’t score. Had some nice defensive glimpses. He’s going on year three. Langford should not be a hold up to getting a better player on the roster lol.

yes, in the limited games he's played, he's looked good and his scoring has progressed as the season and playoffs went.  I tend to give players that were drafted young until their 3rd year in the league before I start considering him a bust or a disappointment.

as for him holding up the effort of getting a better player, let's start with dumping Edwards who's clearly not an NBA player first.  also, we have a couple of spots available by not bringing back Semi and Kornet.  opening a roster spot isn't a reason for trading Romeo.

[gouki88]

Brogdon doesn't push anyone over the top.
He is a lesser player than Smart.

Man, people really overrate Marcus Smart so much in this city. Brogdon is better at pretty much everything as a basketball player than Marcus Smart outside of defense (and even after Smarts defense letdown last season, that might be questionable now). Brogdon is a solid defender. Maybe not former all nba but he’s not awful. And considering he literally better at everything else (shooting/rebounding/playmaking/FT shooting/3 pt shooting) and is signed longer term to a good deal, I honestly don’t get the hesitation.

Romeo Langford is a nobody and has zero value.

Timelord is an expiring player who is oft injured and not start Lee quality because he literally can’t play more than 20 mins a game or otherwise his body will shatter. I’m not even positive he starts this year with Horford back either. Also don’t think the Cs want to pay him.

he's definitely not.  you may not think much of him but the kid has shown he can play NBA quality D.  I suspect him attending training camp fully healthy for the first time will improve his game noticeably.   He's not a throw in for a deal to dump him --> that would be Edwards.

Based off what? The 10 games he was healthy in two years? The guy can’t shoot. He can’t score. Had some nice defensive glimpses. He’s going on year three. Langford should not be a hold up to getting a better player on the roster lol.

Both the eye test and advanced metrics back the argument that Langford is a really strong defender, and a 50 game sample size is sizeable enough to draw conclusions from.

He still hasn't had a healthy preseason. Assuming he does later this year, I think it could really benefit him. On the other hand, he may never stay healthy enough for it to matter. I'd be happy to trade him, but he doesn't have zero value

[Muzzy66]

Would you make this trade.

Horford, Thompson,  Moses Malone
Tatum
Brown
Fournier
Brogdon  21 ppg 6 apg 5.3 rpg

no, I would not.  too much for Brogdon.  good starter, but not worth Smart AND 2 prospects

 I figure they would love Langford Indiana Legend,  and Smart so would you throw in a first for Brogdon if we keep Timelord

Yeah that one I would do, no question.  But including RWill is a bit much. 

[Muzzy66]

Even if you claim he plays quality defence (which I've still yet to see with any kind of consistency) how much value has there ever been for guys in the NBA who play good D and can't do anything else?

The obsession people have with Langford is utterly illogical.  People are clinging to this guy why?  Because there is a CHANCE that if can can stay healthy and get some reps then MAYBE he could develop into a competent one-dimensional role player off the bench?

The guy can't shoot.  His ball handling is horrendous.  He has zero playmaking skills that I've seen.  When has anybody on earth ever placed this much value on a well established one-dimensional bench player in his prime? Let alone a oft-injured prospect who we hope one day might become a one-dimensional bench player.   At the very least to have any significant value al all he would need to add a consistent three point shot to complement his defence - he's shown no indication that he's capable of that so far, as he's shot 22% from three and 35% from the field thus far.  These numbers make Marcus Smart look like Ray Allen.

The kid is a waste of a roster spot, and is hardly irreplaceable.  There are about half a billion other one-dimensional defensive guards that we could very easily replace him with at any price for minimal cost. Send him where he belongs, in the D-League.

Brogdon doesn't push anyone over the top.
He is a lesser player than Smart.

Man, people really overrate Marcus Smart so much in this city. Brogdon is better at pretty much everything as a basketball player than Marcus Smart outside of defense (and even after Smarts defense letdown last season, that might be questionable now). Brogdon is a solid defender. Maybe not former all nba but he’s not awful. And considering he literally better at everything else (shooting/rebounding/playmaking/FT shooting/3 pt shooting) and is signed longer term to a good deal, I honestly don’t get the hesitation.

Romeo Langford is a nobody and has zero value.

Timelord is an expiring player who is oft injured and not start Lee quality because he literally can’t play more than 20 mins a game or otherwise his body will shatter. I’m not even positive he starts this year with Horford back either. Also don’t think the Cs want to pay him.

he's definitely not.  you may not think much of him but the kid has shown he can play NBA quality D.  I suspect him attending training camp fully healthy for the first time will improve his game noticeably.   He's not a throw in for a deal to dump him --> that would be Edwards.

Based off what? The 10 games he was healthy in two years? The guy can’t shoot. He can’t score. Had some nice defensive glimpses. He’s going on year three. Langford should not be a hold up to getting a better player on the roster lol.

Both the eye test and advanced metrics back the argument that Langford is a really strong defender, and a 50 game sample size is sizeable enough to draw conclusions from.

He still hasn't had a healthy preseason. Assuming he does later this year, I think it could really benefit him. On the other hand, he may never stay healthy enough for it to matter. I'd be happy to trade him, but he doesn't have zero value

Hasn't had a healthy preseason?  He hasn't had a healthy ANY-season.  The guy is a walking injury.  I'd be willing to take a chance on a walking injury if he had sky high potential and actually looked like an NBA player...but he doesn't.  At all. 

[gouki88]

Brogdon doesn't push anyone over the top.
He is a lesser player than Smart.

Man, people really overrate Marcus Smart so much in this city. Brogdon is better at pretty much everything as a basketball player than Marcus Smart outside of defense (and even after Smarts defense letdown last season, that might be questionable now). Brogdon is a solid defender. Maybe not former all nba but he’s not awful. And considering he literally better at everything else (shooting/rebounding/playmaking/FT shooting/3 pt shooting) and is signed longer term to a good deal, I honestly don’t get the hesitation.

Romeo Langford is a nobody and has zero value.

Timelord is an expiring player who is oft injured and not start Lee quality because he literally can’t play more than 20 mins a game or otherwise his body will shatter. I’m not even positive he starts this year with Horford back either. Also don’t think the Cs want to pay him.

he's definitely not.  you may not think much of him but the kid has shown he can play NBA quality D.  I suspect him attending training camp fully healthy for the first time will improve his game noticeably.   He's not a throw in for a deal to dump him --> that would be Edwards.

Based off what? The 10 games he was healthy in two years? The guy can’t shoot. He can’t score. Had some nice defensive glimpses. He’s going on year three. Langford should not be a hold up to getting a better player on the roster lol.

Both the eye test and advanced metrics back the argument that Langford is a really strong defender, and a 50 game sample size is sizeable enough to draw conclusions from.

He still hasn't had a healthy preseason. Assuming he does later this year, I think it could really benefit him. On the other hand, he may never stay healthy enough for it to matter. I'd be happy to trade him, but he doesn't have zero value

Hasn't had a healthy preseason?  He hasn't had a healthy ANY-season.  The guy is a walking injury.  I'd be willing to take a chance on a walking injury if he had sky high potential and actually looked like an NBA player...but he doesn't.  At all. 

Even if you claim he plays quality defence (which I've still yet to see with any kind of consistency) how much value has there ever been for guys in the NBA who play good D and can't do anything else?

The obsession people have with Langford is utterly illogical.  People are clinging to this guy why?  Because there is a CHANCE that if can can stay healthy and get some reps then MAYBE he could develop into a competent one-dimensional role player off the bench?

The guy can't shoot.  His ball handling is horrendous.  He has zero playmaking skills that I've seen.  When has anybody on earth ever placed this much value on a well established one-dimensional bench player in his prime? Let alone a oft-injured prospect who we hope one day might become a one-dimensional bench player.   At the very least to have any significant value al all he would need to add a consistent three point shot to complement his defence - he's shown no indication that he's capable of that so far, as he's shot 22% from three and 35% from the field thus far.  These numbers make Marcus Smart look like Ray Allen.

The kid is a waste of a roster spot, and is hardly irreplaceable.  There are about half a billion other one-dimensional defensive guards that we could very easily replace him with at any price for minimal cost. Send him where he belongs, in the D-League.

If you're responding like this to me I'm not even sure you read my post.

I wrote "he may never stay healthy enough for it to matter" and that I'm happy to move him