Tatum calls out Dame

[Tr1boy]

“There’s a certain amount of points you should average, depending on your position...."

Good luck getting those assist numbers up, Ime.

Is 6th in the league for small forwards not high enough?

Nope.  Positional comparison is less important.  Guys who have as much usage as Tatum obviously are going to get some assists along the way.  Yet among the top 15 players in terms of usage percentage (min 2000 minutes), Tatum ranked next to last (tied with Booker) in assists per game.  The only guy worse was Jordan Clark.  Brown, who finished just outside top 15 in usage, obviously needs to pass more too.  This is broadly acknowledged by analysts, not saying anything particularly controversial here.

Not sure that this statistical analysis really flies.

Tatum makes more passes per game than many other superstars, such as Giannis, Kevin Durant, Paul George, Bradley Beal and Donovan Mitchell, to name a few. His adjusted assist numbers (total sum of assists, free throw assists, and secondary assists) was superior to wings known for their passing like Hayward and his potential assist numbers were stronger than a number of other All-Stars.

Not seeing what your point is. Tatum is a scorer, and his passing has improved significantly every year over the last 3. What's to be concerned over?

PG13 avg 5 assist per game , Giannis avg 6 per game

Tatum avg 4 assis per game

come again?

I enjoyed Tatum career assist nights last season. Near triple doubles.  Hopefully he can become more consistent at it

Tatum has the capability to be a fantastic passer/near triple double treat like Lebron.    He just has to grab the bull by the horns

Udoka = "what are you waiting for?"

My favorite Tatum game of last season. Vs Pistons 24 pts, 12 assists, 8 rebounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_GvVDKkzI&t=296s

[Rondo9]

I don't see anything to complain about with any of his comments (other than, yeah, it would've been nice to hear him shout out Jaylen there). Especially where he got more votes than Kyrie but Kyrie made the 3rd team for positional reasons that I don't even really understand.

Hopefully, he's looking at Julius Randle and understands that if the Celtics had been the 4th seed Tatum probably makes one of those teams. If he wants those accolades, they come to players whose teams win games.

People keep mentioning Jaylen. Can Jayson breath without needing to include Jaylen? It's starting to take on a weird little brother dynamic where their parents are forcing him to take him everywhere he goes.

And I don't think Tatum needs to look to Randle. Jayson has been apart of more winning seasons and playoff basketball in his 4 year career than Randle has in 7 years.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I don't fault Tatum for not bringing up Jaylen, just that it would've been nice to shout out his teammate there.

And when I say look to Randle, I more mean: Look at what got Randle on the All NBA 2nd Team. The Knicks won more games. Tatum is talking about wanting some kind of criteria, the criteria includes numbers, obviously, but if Tatum's team had won more games I think there's no question he would've made All NBA. I hope that's the lesson he takes away from this: If you want people to notice how good you are your team has to win.

Mitchell got his team to the 1st seed and didn’t get any all nba honors. The system is broken and Randle probably got in because of the New York media backing him up.

[Ogaju]

I see him being authentic and real. He just “lost” $32m from a suspect voting process. He even made the comment loook I make insane amounts of money...

I don't see an issue with his comments either. I keep trying to nitpick it the way other posters are but all I take from it is "I wish there was a more established criteria and not opinion based, but I'm not mad about the money. No one is crying over me or Donovan losing money," and I genuinely don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't see anything to complain about with any of his comments (other than, yeah, it would've been nice to hear him shout out Jaylen there). Especially where he got more votes than Kyrie but Kyrie made the 3rd team for positional reasons that I don't even really understand.

Hopefully, he's looking at Julius Randle and understands that if the Celtics had been the 4th seed Tatum probably makes one of those teams. If he wants those accolades, they come to players whose teams win games.

People keep mentioning Jaylen. Can Jayson breath without needing to include Jaylen? It's starting to take on a weird little brother dynamic where their parents are forcing him to take him everywhere he goes.

And I don't think Tatum needs to look to Randle. Jayson has been apart of more winning seasons and playoff basketball in his 4 year career than Randle has in 7 years.

That is why Brown needs to go…Celtics have a leadership problem.

[jambr380]

“I know I should have made it with the season I had,” Tatum said. “I mean, $33 million on the line, obviously, that would make anyone feel some type of way.

“And I wasn’t necessarily upset about losing the money. I think I just felt like the way I was playing, everything I did, I thought it should have been a no-brainer. I think I was just more frustrated with that.”

Tatum noted that the media votes on All-NBA, but the criteria isn’t entirely clear.

“Is there a certain amount of games you need to play? Should you be in playoff contention?” Tatum said. “There’s a certain amount of points you should average, depending on your position. I think there should be something like that in place because I think if you just allow people to just vote … and there’s nothing set in place, like, ‘you gotta play this many games’, whatever it may be. I think that would help it out a lot.”

“I know nobody’s going to necessarily feel bad for me and [Jazz guard] Donovan [Mitchell] because we still get paid a lot of money,” Tatum said. “But I just felt like I deserved to make it.”

I hate the entitled attitude he's showing in these quotes.

And many here would want Dame here, you know, the one that made an issue of not being selected to the All-Star team years ago...

You put in the work, think you did enough to reach something and you get snub for it... that's not entitlement, that's frustration of your work not being recognized and rewarded. I'd take that any day of the weak over being complacent.

And yeah, $33 million, even if he downplays it, that's a crap ton of money he lost arbitrarily.

Yeah, I'm not asking him to be complacent.  I'm asking him to say "Hey, they people who got voted in had great seasons.  If I want to make an all-nba team, I've got to work hard and raise the level of my game to make sure I get in."

Still focusing on the wrong thing IMO (accolades over team success), but you can't control the questions being asked to you.  What I'm showing is that you can be not entitled and also not complacent.

I agree with your take here - TP. The quotes weren't that bad, but there were certainly better ways to respond.

I also get that he is young and that $33M is a lot of money; I just don't like the me first attitude that came from this interview. And, besides, if AD and KD had actually played in more games, they would be ahead of Tatum anyway. As for the Kyrie/position thing, somebody deserved to make it from the Nets - so I think even that worked itself out. I actually feel like Mitchell and Booker got more screwed since their teams performed so well.

[Big333223]

I don't see anything to complain about with any of his comments (other than, yeah, it would've been nice to hear him shout out Jaylen there). Especially where he got more votes than Kyrie but Kyrie made the 3rd team for positional reasons that I don't even really understand.

Hopefully, he's looking at Julius Randle and understands that if the Celtics had been the 4th seed Tatum probably makes one of those teams. If he wants those accolades, they come to players whose teams win games.

People keep mentioning Jaylen. Can Jayson breath without needing to include Jaylen? It's starting to take on a weird little brother dynamic where their parents are forcing him to take him everywhere he goes.

And I don't think Tatum needs to look to Randle. Jayson has been apart of more winning seasons and playoff basketball in his 4 year career than Randle has in 7 years.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I don't fault Tatum for not bringing up Jaylen, just that it would've been nice to shout out his teammate there.

And when I say look to Randle, I more mean: Look at what got Randle on the All NBA 2nd Team. The Knicks won more games. Tatum is talking about wanting some kind of criteria, the criteria includes numbers, obviously, but if Tatum's team had won more games I think there's no question he would've made All NBA. I hope that's the lesson he takes away from this: If you want people to notice how good you are your team has to win.

Mitchell got his team to the 1st seed and didn’t get any all nba honors. The system is broken and Randle probably got in because of the New York media backing him up.

You're right, it doesn't make much sense.

Just don't tell Tautm that part

[nickagneta]

If players who can get salary raises based on arbitrary awards have a problem when they don't get those awards(and hence, the extra money), their complaint should be with their union and union leaders that negotiated those raises via winning arbitrary awards into the CBA.

Also, no matter how much I love Jayson, I hate it when players complain about getting snubbed for awards. I think the best answer for questions like the one given to Tatum is: "Yeah, I didn't make the All-NBA team, but next year the Celtics and I are going to be better and chase after a title. And whatever awards come to me, that would be great, but I am more focused on winning a title than an individual award "

[ETNCeltics]

I hope Udoka gets through to Tatum

He still doesnt understand why he didnt make all nba

He should have made all nba. For our salary cap sake, I'm glad he didn't, but he had a better year than a number of players who made it.

[footey]

I see him being authentic and real. He just “lost” $32m from a suspect voting process. He even made the comment loook I make insane amounts of money...

I don't see an issue with his comments either. I keep trying to nitpick it the way other posters are but all I take from it is "I wish there was a more established criteria and not opinion based, but I'm not mad about the money. No one is crying over me or Donovan losing money," and I genuinely don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't see anything to complain about with any of his comments (other than, yeah, it would've been nice to hear him shout out Jaylen there). Especially where he got more votes than Kyrie but Kyrie made the 3rd team for positional reasons that I don't even really understand.

Hopefully, he's looking at Julius Randle and understands that if the Celtics had been the 4th seed Tatum probably makes one of those teams. If he wants those accolades, they come to players whose teams win games.

People keep mentioning Jaylen. Can Jayson breath without needing to include Jaylen? It's starting to take on a weird little brother dynamic where their parents are forcing him to take him everywhere he goes.

And I don't think Tatum needs to look to Randle. Jayson has been apart of more winning seasons and playoff basketball in his 4 year career than Randle has in 7 years.

That is why Brown needs to go…Celtics have a leadership problem.

Jayson Tatum makes a few (selfish) comments, so it's time to trade Brown??

Say what??

[dannyboy35]

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2021/06/28/jayson-tatum-damian-lillard/?p1=hp_secondary

I see smoke...

  I hate hearing Tatum taking about point averages again.

[footey]

“There’s a certain amount of points you should average, depending on your position...."

Good luck getting those assist numbers up, Ime.

Is 6th in the league for small forwards not high enough?

Nope.  Positional comparison is less important.  Guys who have as much usage as Tatum obviously are going to get some assists along the way.  Yet among the top 15 players in terms of usage percentage (min 2000 minutes), Tatum ranked next to last (tied with Booker) in assists per game.  The only guy worse was Jordan Clark.  Brown, who finished just outside top 15 in usage, obviously needs to pass more too.  This is broadly acknowledged by analysts, not saying anything particularly controversial here.

Not sure that this statistical analysis really flies.

Tatum makes more passes per game than many other superstars, such as Giannis, Kevin Durant, Paul George, Bradley Beal and Donovan Mitchell, to name a few. His adjusted assist numbers (total sum of assists, free throw assists, and secondary assists) was superior to wings known for their passing like Hayward and his potential assist numbers were stronger than a number of other All-Stars.

Not seeing what your point is. Tatum is a scorer, and his passing has improved significantly every year over the last 3. What's to be concerned over?

So watching all the games last season (we both did), your take is that Tatum passes the ball plenty, and doesn't need to get his teammates more involved?

[Vermont Green]

“There’s a certain amount of points you should average, depending on your position...."

Good luck getting those assist numbers up, Ime.

Is 6th in the league for small forwards not high enough?

Nope.  Positional comparison is less important.  Guys who have as much usage as Tatum obviously are going to get some assists along the way.  Yet among the top 15 players in terms of usage percentage (min 2000 minutes), Tatum ranked next to last (tied with Booker) in assists per game.  The only guy worse was Jordan Clark.  Brown, who finished just outside top 15 in usage, obviously needs to pass more too.  This is broadly acknowledged by analysts, not saying anything particularly controversial here.

Not sure that this statistical analysis really flies.

Tatum makes more passes per game than many other superstars, such as Giannis, Kevin Durant, Paul George, Bradley Beal and Donovan Mitchell, to name a few. His adjusted assist numbers (total sum of assists, free throw assists, and secondary assists) was superior to wings known for their passing like Hayward and his potential assist numbers were stronger than a number of other All-Stars.

Not seeing what your point is. Tatum is a scorer, and his passing has improved significantly every year over the last 3. What's to be concerned over?

So watching all the games last season (we both did), your take is that Tatum passes the ball plenty, and doesn't need to get his teammates more involved?

I think Tatum is a fine passer for a 23 year old number 1 option on a team that really never got into a rhythm.  The area he needs to work on is responding to double teams.  When teams threw doubles at him, he struggled.  This is a part of passing but also is affected by what he has around him.

[Tr1boy]

I hope Udoka gets through to Tatum

He still doesnt understand why he didnt make all nba

He should have made all nba. For our salary cap sake, I'm glad he didn't, but he had a better year than a number of players who made it.

Like who ... Butler, Leonard, PG13? 

look at their advance metrics.  It is better than Tatum.   Their teams also performed better

Tatum possession stat is significantly higher

[Rondo9]

I hope Udoka gets through to Tatum

He still doesnt understand why he didnt make all nba

He should have made all nba. For our salary cap sake, I'm glad he didn't, but he had a better year than a number of players who made it.

Like who ... Butler, Leonard, PG13? 

look at their advance metrics.  It is better than Tatum.   Their teams also performed better

Tatum possession stat is significantly higher

And why is that?

[hardlyyardley]

Tatum to Detroit for #1, Grant and Hayes

[Ogaju]

I see him being authentic and real. He just “lost” $32m from a suspect voting process. He even made the comment loook I make insane amounts of money...

I don't see an issue with his comments either. I keep trying to nitpick it the way other posters are but all I take from it is "I wish there was a more established criteria and not opinion based, but I'm not mad about the money. No one is crying over me or Donovan losing money," and I genuinely don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't see anything to complain about with any of his comments (other than, yeah, it would've been nice to hear him shout out Jaylen there). Especially where he got more votes than Kyrie but Kyrie made the 3rd team for positional reasons that I don't even really understand.

Hopefully, he's looking at Julius Randle and understands that if the Celtics had been the 4th seed Tatum probably makes one of those teams. If he wants those accolades, they come to players whose teams win games.

People keep mentioning Jaylen. Can Jayson breath without needing to include Jaylen? It's starting to take on a weird little brother dynamic where their parents are forcing him to take him everywhere he goes.

And I don't think Tatum needs to look to Randle. Jayson has been apart of more winning seasons and playoff basketball in his 4 year career than Randle has in 7 years.

That is why Brown needs to go…Celtics have a leadership problem.

Jayson Tatum makes a few (selfish) comments, so it's time to trade Brown??

Say what??

Yeah peel the skin and go to the second layer. Why does Jay need to be selfish?