Vague rumor: RWill Thought to be Gone

[Rikibellevie]

I'm ready to move on from Timelord. It's not just that he's injury prone. He's also a bad fit in our defensive system. The C's are built around two versatile (s)wings in Tatum and Brown. We wanna maximize their effectiveness on both sides of the ball, hence we run a switch-heavy defensive scheme. The way our PnR defense usually works, our Center meets the opposing ball handler at the level of dribble hand off and denies penetration. Problem is, Timelord ain't got the lateral quicks to play D on the perimeter, hence he drops back and protects the rim. Long story short, whenever Timelord is on the court we have to change our defensive system. Imo, we'd be better off with a switchable Center in the mold of Theis/prime Horford.

Yes he struggled in some swich in outside defense But first we don't know if Udoka will continue in the switch everything, which showed some limitation this year. Second, I think lacking of perimeter defense for a big is just the norm. He is quicker than 90% of the big, go very quickly very high and has all the blocking instincts. He can be a good 5 for swithability if he progress on IQ; the second problem in his game (but we saw progression on that way) after health. Again he may be the perfect 5 for this team, a great rim protector, very good passer who have room to progress in scoring. Even with all his injuries he progressed big way when he was able to play. Trading him for almost nothing is the risk to loose a great player for nothing, as we just have to wait one year more to see. We have little to loose and greatness to earn.

[td450]

I'm ready to move on from Timelord. It's not just that he's injury prone. He's also a bad fit in our defensive system. The C's are built around two versatile (s)wings in Tatum and Brown. We wanna maximize their effectiveness on both sides of the ball, hence we run a switch-heavy defensive scheme. The way our PnR defense usually works, our Center meets the opposing ball handler at the level of dribble hand off and denies penetration. Problem is, Timelord ain't got the lateral quicks to play D on the perimeter, hence he drops back and protects the rim. Long story short, whenever Timelord is on the court we have to change our defensive system. Imo, we'd be better off with a switchable Center in the mold of Theis/prime Horford.

Robert Williams is one of the quickest centers in the NBA. He's certainly got more lateral quickness than Horford or Theis. This is about technique and skill. He's already improved considerably in this area. I'd like to see the new coach work with him for some time before giving up on him.

Given his history to date, what are the odds he stabilizes health wise enough to play consistently? 50%? 33%? If he stays on the court, he becomes a top 10 NBA center. If he doesn't, he has no value. There is no in-between.

We have Al Horford for 2 years. We have R Will under contract for 2 years. It will cost well under $10M over those two years to find out which it is. Given the value of a top 10 NBA center, I think we should keep him unless trading him is necessary to get us a quality starter.

[tonydelk]

I really don't put stock into this.  The C's don't have anyone that can bring what Rob brings.  Now if his medicals show something that C's doctors feel that will prevent him from having a healthy career then I can see why they'd want to sell high.  If we see the injury history you know darn right everyone see's it.  It may not be a matter of his injuries just that he's due to get paid soon.  If that's the case then move him while they can for a cheaper asset that will be under control for the next 4 years.  If Moses Brown is your idea of a backup plan to Rob you are out of your mind.  Horford is probably here one year,  Thompson is either gone or gone after this year.  Your bigs are Rob Williams and Moses Brown.  Not a very good depth chart.  That's why I can't see this rumor being accurate.

[Celtics2021]

I'm ready to move on from Timelord. It's not just that he's injury prone. He's also a bad fit in our defensive system. The C's are built around two versatile (s)wings in Tatum and Brown. We wanna maximize their effectiveness on both sides of the ball, hence we run a switch-heavy defensive scheme. The way our PnR defense usually works, our Center meets the opposing ball handler at the level of dribble hand off and denies penetration. Problem is, Timelord ain't got the lateral quicks to play D on the perimeter, hence he drops back and protects the rim. Long story short, whenever Timelord is on the court we have to change our defensive system. Imo, we'd be better off with a switchable Center in the mold of Theis/prime Horford.

Robert Williams is one of the quickest centers in the NBA. He's certainly got more lateral quickness than Horford or Theis. This is about technique and skill. He's already improved considerably in this area. I'd like to see the new coach work with him for some time before giving up on him.

Given his history to date, what are the odds he stabilizes health wise enough to play consistently? 50%? 33%? If he stays on the court, he becomes a top 10 NBA center. If he doesn't, he has no value. There is no in-between.

We have Al Horford for 2 years. We have R Will under contract for 2 years. It will cost well under $10M over those two years to find out which it is. Given the value of a top 10 NBA center, I think we should keep him unless trading him is necessary to get us a quality starter.

Williams is on the last year of his rookie deal.  We have him for one more year, and then he's a restricted free agent.  If the team wants to avoid free agency, they have to sign him to an extension before he's played another game.  Decision time on Williams is this summer.

[Rikibellevie]

Williams is on the last year of his rookie deal.  We have him for one more year, and then he's a restricted free agent.  If the team wants to avoid free agency, they have to sign him to an extension before he's played another game.  Decision time on Williams is this summer.

Why can't we just wait next summer, if we consider it is too soon to extend him ? Are most players trade one year before the end ot their contract ? Esp a rookie whom we earn Birds right ? No it is not good to trade him in none scenario until a team want him in a package for a superstar (which very prob won't happen this summer)

[Celtics2021]

Williams is on the last year of his rookie deal.  We have him for one more year, and then he's a restricted free agent.  If the team wants to avoid free agency, they have to sign him to an extension before he's played another game.  Decision time on Williams is this summer.

Why can't we just wait next summer, if we consider it is too soon to extend him ? Are most players trade one year before the end ot their contract ? Esp a rookie whom we earn Birds right ? No it is not good to trade him in none scenario until a team want him in a package for a superstar (which very prob won't happen this summer)

One can wait until next summer, certainly.  I'm just saying that decisions on Williams' contract start now.  The Celtics this summer ought to be evaluating if he's worth extending, waiting on for free agency, or neither.  He's definitely someone they have to strongly consider offers on, especially with three other players at his position on the roster.

[footey]

I'm ready to move on from Timelord. It's not just that he's injury prone. He's also a bad fit in our defensive system. The C's are built around two versatile (s)wings in Tatum and Brown. We wanna maximize their effectiveness on both sides of the ball, hence we run a switch-heavy defensive scheme. The way our PnR defense usually works, our Center meets the opposing ball handler at the level of dribble hand off and denies penetration. Problem is, Timelord ain't got the lateral quicks to play D on the perimeter, hence he drops back and protects the rim. Long story short, whenever Timelord is on the court we have to change our defensive system. Imo, we'd be better off with a switchable Center in the mold of Theis/prime Horford.

I disagree with this.  Our defense is much better when he is on the floor, especially since he has gotten more comfortable with the rotations.  He has become much more switchable, and improved guarding the perimeter. If you want a disaster, make Moses Brown your center.

[Walker Wiggle]

If Williams is traded, it will be either in a deal to pull in a 3rd star or to accumulate draft picks to land that star in the future. Either would be fine by me. The team just needs to make sure they've got a plan at the 5 for this year beyond Horford.

[perks-a-beast]

TL has become one of my favorites on the roster - and i must say, he is one of the most entertaining players in the league. BUT i have absolutely no confidence in his ability to stay healthy. The last thing this team needs is another injury case.

Any chance Charlotte bites on a deal centered around Timelord for the 11th pick?

[liam]

This really is vague...

[blink]

I really don't put stock into this.  The C's don't have anyone that can bring what Rob brings.  Now if his medicals show something that C's doctors feel that will prevent him from having a healthy career then I can see why they'd want to sell high.  If we see the injury history you know darn right everyone see's it.  It may not be a matter of his injuries just that he's due to get paid soon.  If that's the case then move him while they can for a cheaper asset that will be under control for the next 4 years.  If Moses Brown is your idea of a backup plan to Rob you are out of your mind.  Horford is probably here one year,  Thompson is either gone or gone after this year.  Your bigs are Rob Williams and Moses Brown.  Not a very good depth chart.  That's why I can't see this rumor being accurate.

well this post makes a lot of sense to me.  Especially the bolded part.  Add to the fact that Horford is 35 and probably better suited to 20-25 min a game at this point instead of 35 and you have a big need for minutes.  I can't see how Thompson isn't gone soon, although he would be great insurance in case of injury with Horford or Timelord.  I doubt that the C's keep him around the whole year.  His salary is a good building block for potential trades.

[Vermont Green]

RWilliams will get $3.6M next season.  That is a fair amount.  I do see him as expendable, especially if we don't move Thompson.  We really don't need them both.  If we are able to move Thompson, then I doubt RWilliams goes anywhere.

We have 4 players right now that can only play center and one FA (Kornet) who we can sign easily if we want.  There is going to be some movement here.  It would be nice if some of these bigs could play PF also.  As it stands, only one of Horford, Thompson, RWill, and MBrown can be on the court at a time.

Our PFs are GWill (undersized) and Parker (who knows).  Has to be the worse PF depth in the league.  We are going to be forced to play a lot of small ball unless we balance the roster some.

[CFAN38]

RWilliams will get $3.6M next season.  That is a fair amount.  I do see him as expendable, especially if we don't move Thompson.  We really don't need them both.  If we are able to move Thompson, then I doubt RWilliams goes anywhere.

We have 4 players right now that can only play center and one FA (Kornet) who we can sign easily if we want.  There is going to be some movement here.  It would be nice if some of these bigs could play PF also.  As it stands, only one of Horford, Thompson, RWill, and MBrown can be on the court at a time.

Our PFs are GWill (undersized) and Parker (who knows).  Has to be the worse PF depth in the league.  We are going to be forced to play a lot of small ball unless we balance the roster some.

I actually think the opposite, the Cs only options for small ball 5 is Grant and while he can play the role I do not think he has the talent to be one of the top 8/9 guys on this team. Trading R-Will or Thompson for a bigger forward is important in that it will allow the Cs to exploit the positional size of Tatum at the 3 and Brown at the 2 and allow the Cs to run a smaller ball lineup. I would love to see the Cs trade for Kyle Anderson, start him at the 4 and run some small ball lineup with Pritchard/Fournier, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Anderson. If Anderson can not be had via trade I can see Jeff Green or Otto Porter filling that role via FA. 

[Walker Wiggle]

RWilliams will get $3.6M next season.  That is a fair amount.  I do see him as expendable, especially if we don't move Thompson.  We really don't need them both.  If we are able to move Thompson, then I doubt RWilliams goes anywhere.

We have 4 players right now that can only play center and one FA (Kornet) who we can sign easily if we want.  There is going to be some movement here.  It would be nice if some of these bigs could play PF also.  As it stands, only one of Horford, Thompson, RWill, and MBrown can be on the court at a time.

Our PFs are GWill (undersized) and Parker (who knows).  Has to be the worse PF depth in the league.  We are going to be forced to play a lot of small ball unless we balance the roster some.

If your PG is Smart and your SG is Jaylen, you can have smaller players at the 4 and 5 positions and you'll be fine.

[liam]

If you are trading TIMELORD for some reason then the Celtics should grab Queta at 45 or move up to the 30s and grab him. He is huge, very mobil and can pass the ball.