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Buy low options after draft lottery?
« on: June 24, 2021, 01:35:30 AM »

Offline Ed Monix

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Considering now that the 2021 draft positions are set, I am curious  if there could be some key availabilities?

The Pistons are set to draft Cade Cunningham, could Killian Hayes be available? If Cleveland Cavs pick up Jalen Suggs could Garland or Sexton be available for a trade? I also wonder what the Warriors will do with Wiseman given how much work he needs and obviously doesn’t fit their timeline, could he be available too?

Killian Hayes
Darius Garland
Colin Sexton
James Wiseman

Would you want the Celtics to move for any of these players?
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I don't think Garland is at all a buy-low candidate, same with Wiseman. Wiseman would likely be moved alongside GSW's top pick + Wiggins to bring back a disgruntled star level player, and I think the Cavs are much more eager to move Sexton - but not both.
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I liked Hayes and Wiseman coming out. Hayes might be an option, but I think Wiseman is too hard to get despite his results this year.

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I don't think Garland is at all a buy-low candidate, same with Wiseman. Wiseman would likely be moved alongside GSW's top pick + Wiggins to bring back a disgruntled star level player, and I think the Cavs are much more eager to move Sexton - but not both.

You are right, perhaps not the most apt topic description.

By ‘buy low’ I meant that the players value has dipped because of their teams results in the recent draft lottery.
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Considering now that the 2021 draft positions are set, I am curious  if there could be some key availabilities?

The Pistons are set to draft Cade Cunningham, could Killian Hayes be available? If Cleveland Cavs pick up Jalen Suggs could Garland or Sexton be available for a trade? I also wonder what the Warriors will do with Wiseman given how much work he needs and obviously doesn’t fit their timeline, could he be available too?

Killian Hayes
Darius Garland
Colin Sexton
James Wiseman

Would you want the Celtics to move for any of these players?

I thought also about Hayes with Cunningham arriving in Detroit, with Joseph still on contract next year. But it would cost a good amount of picks + Smart or Timelord (or picks + Nesmith/Langford if they see potential in them), if they even are interest at him.
Hayes hadn't lost all his potential and is 19, but I don't think he will be a crack and maybe even will be a bust, not even counting his warning injury last year. And if we take him as the 1Guard we are clearly in a rebuilding team next year.

So better to wait and if Hayesplays few and his value deacese, when the value of some of our youth go in the other way, then why not take a shot at him. But when he was drafted I was almost sure the gap beetwin him and Maledon wasn't the difference in draft positions (Hayes a little too high, Maledon a lot to down)

For others you propose, we would have to break the bank for them and I think their team count on them, so no interest.

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How about Marvin Bagley?

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How about Marvin Bagley?
I would be pretty on board for the most part, except he's somewhat atypical for a buy-low target - he's earning $11.3m in 2021-22
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I assumed that ‘buy-low’ means that it wouldn’t take a lot of talent and/or picks for the other team to part ways with a candidate, but sure, this contract and our cap situation may not match perfectly. Though I was thinking about something like:
Clippers get TT
Kings get Ibaka (whom they can send to other contenders)
Celtics get Bagley.
Maybe a second rounder goes from Clippers to Kings, maybe one from Boston as well.

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How about Marvin Bagley?
I would be pretty on board for the most part, except he's somewhat atypical for a buy-low target - he's earning $11.3m in 2021-22
Doesn't that fit right into our TPE? If not I'd be open to trading TT for him.
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How about Marvin Bagley?
I would be pretty on board for the most part, except he's somewhat atypical for a buy-low target - he's earning $11.3m in 2021-22
Doesn't that fit right into our TPE? If not I'd be open to trading TT for him.

Couple hundred thousand too much for the TPE.

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 I love Hayes, but I can’t see him being buy low.  I don’t think Detroit cares if they’ve blocked his development — they just care about asset collection.

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Considering now that the 2021 draft positions are set, I am curious  if there could be some key availabilities?

The Pistons are set to draft Cade Cunningham, could Killian Hayes be available? If Cleveland Cavs pick up Jalen Suggs could Garland or Sexton be available for a trade? I also wonder what the Warriors will do with Wiseman given how much work he needs and obviously doesn’t fit their timeline, could he be available too?

Killian Hayes
Darius Garland
Colin Sexton
James Wiseman

Would you want the Celtics to move for any of these players?

My expectation with Cleveland and GS is that one of Sexton/Garland/#3 plus Kevin Love might become available if a star comes available, and similarly Wiggins/Wiseman/picks is GS's "trade for a star" package, but there's no reason for them to punt on their young guys just because. Detroit's likely just going to stockpile youth and see which ones pan out.

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How about Marvin Bagley?
I would be pretty on board for the most part, except he's somewhat atypical for a buy-low target - he's earning $11.3m in 2021-22
Doesn't that fit right into our TPE? If not I'd be open to trading TT for him.

Couple hundred thousand too much for the TPE.

I haven’t seen anything reported and I don’t care either way, but isn’t our remaining TPE $11.5? Hayward made $28.5M and Fournier made $17M in 20-21.

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I for one hope that Stevens gets the team back to doing what Ainge did so expertly before the frontal lobotomy he had just after the Kyrie Irving trade. Grind out incremental moves to add value down the roster.

I don't think we need any big moves. We have a need for a power forward. Someone who can compliment and contribute. Not a star. Jae Crowder starts for the Phoenix Suns at PF right now, and he started for the Miami Heat when they beat us last year. I'm not saying he's the answer, but the difference between him and Semi Ojeleye is the difference between winning and losing a lot of games. If a home run isn't available, at least hit a single.

We also have to be opportunistic with the point position, but we can cover it for now if we need to. Some improved talent at the end of the roster. Pick up picks wherever they might be available. OKC Houston and NO will shed some picks because they have too many to use

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Considering now that the 2021 draft positions are set, I am curious  if there could be some key availabilities?

The Pistons are set to draft Cade Cunningham, could Killian Hayes be available? If Cleveland Cavs pick up Jalen Suggs could Garland or Sexton be available for a trade? I also wonder what the Warriors will do with Wiseman given how much work he needs and obviously doesn’t fit their timeline, could he be available too?

Killian Hayes
Darius Garland
Colin Sexton
James Wiseman

Would you want the Celtics to move for any of these players?

My expectation with Cleveland and GS is that one of Sexton/Garland/#3 plus Kevin Love might become available if a star comes available, and similarly Wiggins/Wiseman/picks is GS's "trade for a star" package, but there's no reason for them to punt on their young guys just because. Detroit's likely just going to stockpile youth and see which ones pan out.
Something like this makes sense for both teams

Love, Sexton, 3

for

Simmons, Maxey, Milton, 28, 22 1st

Sixers move on from Simmons, but can still compete next season (especially if they get anything from Love).  Cavs get a legit building block piece, 2 nice young rotation guys, and 2 draft picks.  Plus they get out from Love's contract.

Sixers
Sexton, Curry, Harris, Love, Embiid with D. Green, J. Green, Hill, Thybulle, Scott

Cavs
Garland, Simmons, Okoro, Nance, Allen with Osman, Maxey, Milton, Windler, Dotson, 28

Some interesting teams there.  Cavs would have to be sold on Simmons to do that (and less sold on Green or Suggs), but it does get them out of Love's contract and paying Sexton a ton of money.  I think the Cavs in that scenario might look to move Nance for a SG and play Simmons at PF. 
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