list your Tristan Thompson trade ideas

[RJ87]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

You're over valuing Smart on an expiring contact and under valuing Wiggins

Not at all.  The Warriors are so far into the tax that even a million in savings is huge for them.  This trade drops them over 10 million in actual salary this year, plus like 40 million next year, which is several times more than that in luxury tax.  In addition, Smart fits much better than Wiggins with Klay back in the fold.  He is quite simply a better fit with Curry and Klay for a team trying to win a title than Wiggins is.

Strongly disagree there. If Andrew maintains the growth he showed this year defensively and as a shooter, I think he's more valuable to them than Smart - especially with the West being loaded with wing talent. Klay is coming from an ACL and an Achilles, so he's likely to take a step back defensively. Having another long wing defender to help Draymond with the Lebrons, Kawhis, Lukas, and Bookers of the West is will be more important for them.

Except Wiggins is a terrible defender so he doesn't solve that issue.

Maybe in the past, but he was pretty solid defensively for GSW this season. Pair that with Smart's regression on that end this season, I'm not sure it's the upgrade you're making it out to be.

[liam]

Thompson, Smart, and Grant for CJ McCollum. This gives Portland some defenders and it gives us McCollum. Works in NBA trade machine.

[michigan adam]

I really do not like Ben Simmons game, but the more I think about it, either of the two lineups would be fine with me if they could make it happen.

1) Smart, Brown, Tatum, Simmons, Hortford

2) Fournier, Brown, Tatum, Simmons, hortford.

The first would likely need a S&T of Fournier with thompson + picks.  The second would need Smart, Thompson, + a young guy and picks.

I think the first would have a huge amount of passing, plenty of ball handling, and enough shooting to get by, with great D.  The second would have great shooting and plenty of passing with enough ball handling and decent D.  I like the first better of the two.  Pretty sure Philly could do better but we can't know that for sure.

[KG Living Legend]

Thompson, Smart, and Grant for CJ McCollum. This gives Portland some defenders and it gives us McCollum. Works in NBA trade machine.

 This is a good idea. Especially if he would be the 6th man

[gouki88]

Thompson, Smart, and Grant for CJ McCollum. This gives Portland some defenders and it gives us McCollum. Works in NBA trade machine.

 This is a good idea. Especially if he would be the 6th man

Why would he be 6th man? Are you saying Pritchard and Fournier start ahead of him?

[hodgy03038]

TT for Khloe straight up. Much better assets

[nickagneta]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

You're over valuing Smart on an expiring contact and under valuing Wiggins

Not at all.  The Warriors are so far into the tax that even a million in savings is huge for them.  This trade drops them over 10 million in actual salary this year, plus like 40 million next year, which is several times more than that in luxury tax.  In addition, Smart fits much better than Wiggins with Klay back in the fold.  He is quite simply a better fit with Curry and Klay for a team trying to win a title than Wiggins is.

Sure seems you are trying much harder to make GSW better and not the Celtics.

[Muzzy66]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

so the idea is to punt next season hoping Mitchell is relatively good for PG the following season and that Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard have another year of development while making another franchise another contender?

not ideal for the C's though I can see why GSW might find that appealing

We aren't going to contend next season anyway so there is no real point in getting nominally better to lose in the 2nd round to a team like the Nets or Bucks.  The goal should be to maximize Tatum and Brown's window and that window really doesn't open for another couple of seasons.

Maximizing their window by wasting a year of their window? Cs need to add more ready players. Enough of the projects that currently litter this roster. They have enough projects and young guys who need development. If they are going to trade Smart or TT, it better be for a ready to play playe me rather than another rookie/project.

Their window hasn't started yet.  They will be in their 5th and 6th year.  That isn't their window, especially Tatum.  Players are at their peak from like year 8-12 historically and probably have a real window of year 7 to 13.  Sometimes guys make it in year 6 if they are really really good.  In other words, everyone who thinks Boston is going to contend next year is once again going to be disappointed at the end of the season.  Boston isn't good enough next year with the team as currently constructed and frankly without some sort of drastic move isn't ever going to be good enough (based on where Tatum and Brown are at right now).   Risks need to be taken.  That is why you make the move for a top 10 pick this year.  You hope that guy in a couple of seasons has progressed nicely enough to be a 3rd option when Tatum and Brown are actually in their prime.  That is how Boston will realistically compete for a title.

I strongly disagree with your assessment of the Celtics' chance of contending this coming season.

Look at the East right now. It's wide open.

* Brooklyn ws the closest thing to a true star-laden powerhouse and they couldn't get past Milwaukee
* Philly was the next big team, and they got knocked off by an Atlanta team that's young and not crazy  talented
* Milwaukee is Milwaukee - Tatum and Brown have given them a fight in the past, im not convinced they're much better now
* Knicks are not that great at all
* Miami have clearly proven their finals run last year was a massive fluke
* Washington barely scraped in

If Boston can retain Fournier, then Smart/Fourner/Brown/Tatum/horford is likely the 2nd most talented starting five in the East after Brooklyn.  At a stretch maybe 2nd most after Brooklyn and Milwaukee...on talent alone.

Throw in a new coach (which hopefully sovles last years energy / discipline problems) and I don't see any reason why they can't be a contender if Brad is able to add the rightt supporting pieces.

Even in the West, there really isn't any one team that truly scares me.  There's no Lebron/Wade/Bosh heat, no Curry/Klay/KD Warriors. No KG/Piece/Allen Celtics or Kobe/Gasol/Bynum Lakers.  There is no team that has so much talent that they seem outright untouchable. 

At the start of this season, does ANYBODY believe you if you tell them that the Suns and Hawks would be be in the conference finals, with a serious shot at a title?  The NBA is wide open right now...nobody is unbeatable.

[SHAQATTACK]

I think we need a true tall point guard to go with Jays and TL.

I think Lonzo Ball might fit well and work well under the new coach

But ,  I m not sure what people or what would be required to move other peoples.

Just a thought that keeps churning though my mind.

[Moranis]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

You're over valuing Smart on an expiring contact and under valuing Wiggins

Not at all.  The Warriors are so far into the tax that even a million in savings is huge for them.  This trade drops them over 10 million in actual salary this year, plus like 40 million next year, which is several times more than that in luxury tax.  In addition, Smart fits much better than Wiggins with Klay back in the fold.  He is quite simply a better fit with Curry and Klay for a team trying to win a title than Wiggins is.

Sure seems you are trying much harder to make GSW better and not the Celtics.

Not at all.  I think Smart v. Wiggins isn't much different for Boston from an impact perspective.  Smart is certainly a lot better defensively, but Wiggins is a much better shooter so as a 3rd scorer he makes more sense for Boston than Smart does.  Thompson has basically no value to Boston with the addition of Horford, who when healthy will take all of Thompson's minutes.  The key to the trade is 7.  Boston should get a player that at least will be a solid long term rotational player and probably should be at least a long term starter (at least historically based on players drafted in that range).  There is also at least a decent chance that player becomes an All Star or All NBA type player (like Jamal Murray, Julius Randle, or maybe even Steph Curry, ha).  Boston takes on a ton of salary, so it would limit free agent options to basically just exceptions, but if the team hits on 7, that shouldn't matter.   

That is the key to the trade, getting the 7th pick in the draft because that is a player that could become that missing ingredient from the team (and the reason GS would do it is as much financial as anything else, though I do think they have a use for Thompson and Smart makes more sense for them because they don't need scoring as much).  For me, the reality is even if Tatum reaches top 5 status and Brown reaches top 15 status (their reasonable best cases), what else is going to be on the team to support them aside from role or MLE type players.  Guys like Smart, Fournier, etc. just aren't good enough as 3rd options to really put Boston into that true consistent contending status.  And that is if Tatum and Brown both basically max out.  If they don't both max out, then Boston has no shot at contending with this current team.  They need to take a shot at landing a real player somehow, and acquiring the 7th pick in the draft by taking on a big salary burden is a way to do that.  I mean Boston just unloaded like 25 million in salary commitment and gave up the 16th pick to do it (and Boston isn't even a tax team and certainly isn't a repeater tax team).  GS giving up 7 to unload 40 million seems fairly reasonable given their tax situation.

[Who]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

so the idea is to punt next season hoping Mitchell is relatively good for PG the following season and that Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard have another year of development while making another franchise another contender?

not ideal for the C's though I can see why GSW might find that appealing

We aren't going to contend next season anyway so there is no real point in getting nominally better to lose in the 2nd round to a team like the Nets or Bucks.  The goal should be to maximize Tatum and Brown's window and that window really doesn't open for another couple of seasons.

Maximizing their window by wasting a year of their window? Cs need to add more ready players. Enough of the projects that currently litter this roster. They have enough projects and young guys who need development. If they are going to trade Smart or TT, it better be for a ready to play playe me rather than another rookie/project.

Their window hasn't started yet.  They will be in their 5th and 6th year.  That isn't their window, especially Tatum.  Players are at their peak from like year 8-12 historically and probably have a real window of year 7 to 13.  Sometimes guys make it in year 6 if they are really really good.  In other words, everyone who thinks Boston is going to contend next year is once again going to be disappointed at the end of the season.  Boston isn't good enough next year with the team as currently constructed and frankly without some sort of drastic move isn't ever going to be good enough (based on where Tatum and Brown are at right now).   Risks need to be taken.  That is why you make the move for a top 10 pick this year.  You hope that guy in a couple of seasons has progressed nicely enough to be a 3rd option when Tatum and Brown are actually in their prime.  That is how Boston will realistically compete for a title.

I strongly disagree with your assessment of the Celtics' chance of contending this coming season.

Look at the East right now. It's wide open.

* Brooklyn ws the closest thing to a true star-laden powerhouse and they couldn't get past Milwaukee
* Philly was the next big team, and they got knocked off by an Atlanta team that's young and not crazy  talented
* Milwaukee is Milwaukee - Tatum and Brown have given them a fight in the past, im not convinced they're much better now
* Knicks are not that great at all
* Miami have clearly proven their finals run last year was a massive fluke
* Washington barely scraped in

If Boston can retain Fournier, then Smart/Fourner/Brown/Tatum/horford is likely the 2nd most talented starting five in the East after Brooklyn.  At a stretch maybe 2nd most after Brooklyn and Milwaukee...on talent alone.

Throw in a new coach (which hopefully sovles last years energy / discipline problems) and I don't see any reason why they can't be a contender if Brad is able to add the rightt supporting pieces.

Even in the West, there really isn't any one team that truly scares me.  There's no Lebron/Wade/Bosh heat, no Curry/Klay/KD Warriors. No KG/Piece/Allen Celtics or Kobe/Gasol/Bynum Lakers.  There is no team that has so much talent that they seem outright untouchable. 

At the start of this season, does ANYBODY believe you if you tell them that the Suns and Hawks would be be in the conference finals, with a serious shot at a title?  The NBA is wide open right now...nobody is unbeatable.

I see the East right now as

Frontrunner - Brooklyn
Contenders - Milwaukee, Philly
Darkhorse candidates - Boston, Atlanta, Miami

Philly got some questions to ask this summer but they were pretty darn impressive in the regular season. I am not quite ready to put them back amongst the next pack.

I don't see any of the Boston, Atlanta or Miami grouping as well rounded enough to be serious challengers but a lucky break here or there could allow them to make a run.

Short of injuries, I do not see anybody stopping Brooklyn in the East next season.

[Who]

I truly would not like Wiggins next to Jaylen & Tatum. Another high usage / shot taker / shot stealer wing next to them. A guy who looks for his and does not know how to play team ball. A guy who has little impact when he is not putting the ball in the net.

Jaylen and Tatum are not well rounded enough to incorporate such a flawed player next to them. It will cause all sorts of chemistry problems. I do not want to see Wiggins here.

This is an indictment of Wiggins but also of Jaylen & Tatum.

[Moranis]

I truly would not like Wiggins next to Jaylen & Tatum. Another high usage / shot taker / shot stealer wing next to them. A guy who looks for his and does not know how to play team ball. A guy who has little impact when he is not putting the ball in the net.

Jaylen and Tatum are not well rounded enough to incorporate such a flawed player next to them. It will cause all sorts of chemistry problems. I do not want to see Wiggins here.

This is an indictment of Wiggins but also of Jaylen & Tatum.

I think that is a fair criticism, but for me it is about 7.  Wiggins wouldn't be a long term player for the team.  Wiggins is a means to acquiring 7.

[Who]

I see FA as Boston's best chance to get a 3rd star next to Jaylen and Tatum. FA when Horford's deal expires.

I do like the plan of using Smart to net a high draft pick to try and find a gem that way as well though.

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Similar to the Spurs when they traded George Hill for the draft pick that became Kawhi Leonard. They key to such a strategy is having a particular player targeted for that pick prior to the move. Not the pick itself. The pick is not that valuable if there is not someone there that you are super-high on. The Spurs only made that trade because Kawhi was there. If he wasn't there, there was no trade. You have to have someone targeted. An individual you believe in whole-heartedly and are ready to take a big risk on (losing 6th man George Hill or Marcus Smart for us). Otherwise it is a no-go.

Or in another comparison, similar to the post Shaq Lakers built around Kobe. They built their plan around FA targeting Yao Ming or Amare Stoudemire but also had a backup strategy where they used Caron Butler in a trade to net a young prospect they believed in. The FA strategy failed. The Butler trade landed them Kwame Brown which also failed. Luckily, they used Kwame and low value picks to steal Pau Gasol and succeeded regardless of their two main plans failing.

But the point is they had the FA strategy as their primary course of action but still had a secondary course of trading for a young up and comer (whether a pick or a youngster already in the league). Someone they thought could develop and become the star they needed next to Kobe.

Gotta take risks. Got to create avenues to improve.


Edit: Oh, and they took Bynum in the draft. A HS to pros player. High risk. Raw. Lots of physical talent. But someone with room for great improvement who could become a star.

I knew there was another high-risk move along with Kwame! I just couldn't remember it. Bynum.

FA strategy + two young bigs to develop in Kwame & Bynum = to try and get Kobe another star to put next to Kobe and Odom.

[Csfan1984]

I could see Warriors going for Smart, TT, Grant, and Edwards for Wiggins, their own 2021 1st with a protected future 1st. But I would not take that.