list your Tristan Thompson trade ideas

[Moranis]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

so the idea is to punt next season hoping Mitchell is relatively good for PG the following season and that Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard have another year of development while making another franchise another contender?

not ideal for the C's though I can see why GSW might find that appealing

We aren't going to contend next season anyway so there is no real point in getting nominally better to lose in the 2nd round to a team like the Nets or Bucks.  The goal should be to maximize Tatum and Brown's window and that window really doesn't open for another couple of seasons.

Maximizing their window by wasting a year of their window? Cs need to add more ready players. Enough of the projects that currently litter this roster. They have enough projects and young guys who need development. If they are going to trade Smart or TT, it better be for a ready to play playe me rather than another rookie/project.

Their window hasn't started yet.  They will be in their 5th and 6th year.  That isn't their window, especially Tatum.  Players are at their peak from like year 8-12 historically and probably have a real window of year 7 to 13.  Sometimes guys make it in year 6 if they are really really good.  In other words, everyone who thinks Boston is going to contend next year is once again going to be disappointed at the end of the season.  Boston isn't good enough next year with the team as currently constructed and frankly without some sort of drastic move isn't ever going to be good enough (based on where Tatum and Brown are at right now).   Risks need to be taken.  That is why you make the move for a top 10 pick this year.  You hope that guy in a couple of seasons has progressed nicely enough to be a 3rd option when Tatum and Brown are actually in their prime.  That is how Boston will realistically compete for a title.

[td450]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

so the idea is to punt next season hoping Mitchell is relatively good for PG the following season and that Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard have another year of development while making another franchise another contender?

not ideal for the C's though I can see why GSW might find that appealing

We aren't going to contend next season anyway so there is no real point in getting nominally better to lose in the 2nd round to a team like the Nets or Bucks.  The goal should be to maximize Tatum and Brown's window and that window really doesn't open for another couple of seasons.

This year's playoffs show us that the NBA is in a weird place. I see no reason to think that we have to wait a couple of years for a window to open up. We have had a run of really bad luck. All that would have to happen would be for us to have R Williams Langford Nesmith and Pritchard just stay healthy and improve a normal amount for players of that age and talent, and we are a whole different team.

[BruceBanner18]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

You're over valuing Smart on an expiring contact and under valuing Wiggins

[jay]

I think Thompson needs to go.  Ever since he joined the team....  the culture has gone down the toilet

maybe it has nothing to do with him.  But its been bad luck all around. 

What are some realistic trade options?


To Wolves:  Thompson
To Celtics: Hernangomez

To Lakers: Thompson, Edwards,  two 2nds 
To Celtics:  Kuzma

To Wolves:  Thompson, Smart
To Celtics: Rubio, Culver, Okogie

To Kings: Thompson, 2nd
To Celtics: Delon Wright

To Blazers:  Thompson, Smart,  future 1st
To Celtics:  Nurkic,  Jones Jr.

Smart and Thompson for Rubio and Culver. Would that bring back some kind of future lottery protected pick?

I feel like Smart's time may have passed. All those wild shots at bad times just take away from Tatum and Brown. Get a pass first point guard in here and see what that does for the rest of the team. Culver looks like a bust, would just be salary filler.

[JAH1892]

‘Out there’ and completely hinges on EF but...

Sign and trade Fournier circa $15/18m, TT (9m), Langford and GWill plus whatever picks it takes for Beal...as I say it’s dependent on Fournier but he could be a 2nd/3rd choice at Wizards 🤷🏻‍♂️

[PAOBoston]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

so the idea is to punt next season hoping Mitchell is relatively good for PG the following season and that Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard have another year of development while making another franchise another contender?

not ideal for the C's though I can see why GSW might find that appealing

We aren't going to contend next season anyway so there is no real point in getting nominally better to lose in the 2nd round to a team like the Nets or Bucks.  The goal should be to maximize Tatum and Brown's window and that window really doesn't open for another couple of seasons.

Maximizing their window by wasting a year of their window? Cs need to add more ready players. Enough of the projects that currently litter this roster. They have enough projects and young guys who need development. If they are going to trade Smart or TT, it better be for a ready to play playe me rather than another rookie/project.

Their window hasn't started yet.  They will be in their 5th and 6th year.  That isn't their window, especially Tatum.  Players are at their peak from like year 8-12 historically and probably have a real window of year 7 to 13.  Sometimes guys make it in year 6 if they are really really good.  In other words, everyone who thinks Boston is going to contend next year is once again going to be disappointed at the end of the season.  Boston isn't good enough next year with the team as currently constructed and frankly without some sort of drastic move isn't ever going to be good enough (based on where Tatum and Brown are at right now).   Risks need to be taken.  That is why you make the move for a top 10 pick this year.  You hope that guy in a couple of seasons has progressed nicely enough to be a 3rd option when Tatum and Brown are actually in their prime.  That is how Boston will realistically compete for a title.

The problem is you literally eat a year of their contracts, so yes, in a way, they are in their window. There’s literally no guarantee these guys are going to be here for their real prime years. They might just leave in 3-4 years.

[konkmv]

If we get a first round pick at 25-30 I would be happy

[Vermont Green]

The whole reason to trade Thompson is for money/cap management purposes.  To me, it would make no sense to involve someone like Wiggins who has an even worse contract (by a lot).  You would also consider trading Tristan in a swap for a player that can be on the court with Horford, such as a PF (most likely) or a PG.  But we are stacked with wings, the last thing we need is another one.  I would by far rather just sign Fournier to what will likely be a lower cost contract than get Wiggins and let Fournier walk.  Fournier + Thompson is way better than Wiggins.

Thompson by himself is not going to get us much.  I would love to be able to clear Thompson's contract.  I don't know all the teams that might have a $10M TPE on hand but that would be the ideal scenario.  Send out Tristan and swap second round picks with someone who has a TPE.  I don't want to take back salary for Thompson just to take back salary and we probably are not going to get much of player in return so why bother?

Smart and Thompson combined could be good in the sign and trade or regular trade market.  That is about $24M or so and could fetch a decent player.  But then we go from a team that only needs a good PF to a team that still needs a good PF and now needs a good PG too.

So my trade is Smart and Thompson with Edwards and GWill for Simmons and Paul Reed.  Simmons can play both PG and PF albeit not at the same time of course.  Both Problems solved, perfect.  We just have to teach Simmons to shoot FTs and we are a championship contender.

[todd_days_41]

Celtics trade Thompson to the Celtics for Edwards. Both players are waived to make room for each other.

[todd_days_41]

The whole reason to trade Thompson is for money/cap management purposes.  To me, it would make no sense to involve someone like Wiggins who has an even worse contract (by a lot).  You would also consider trading Tristan in a swap for a player that can be on the court with Horford, such as a PF (most likely) or a PG.  But we are stacked with wings, the last thing we need is another one.  I would by far rather just sign Fournier to what will likely be a lower cost contract than get Wiggins and let Fournier walk.  Fournier + Thompson is way better than Wiggins.

Thompson by himself is not going to get us much.  I would love to be able to clear Thompson's contract.  I don't know all the teams that might have a $10M TPE on hand but that would be the ideal scenario.  Send out Tristan and swap second round picks with someone who has a TPE.  I don't want to take back salary for Thompson just to take back salary and we probably are not going to get much of player in return so why bother?

Smart and Thompson combined could be good in the sign and trade or regular trade market.  That is about $24M or so and could fetch a decent player.  But then we go from a team that only needs a good PF to a team that still needs a good PF and now needs a good PG too.

So my trade is Smart and Thompson with Edwards and GWill for Simmons and Paul Reed.  Simmons can play both PG and PF albeit not at the same time of course.  Both Problems solved, perfect.  We just have to teach Simmons to shoot FTs and we are a championship contender.

I love Paul Reed. I’m in on any trade that brings him in.

[RJ87]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

so the idea is to punt next season hoping Mitchell is relatively good for PG the following season and that Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard have another year of development while making another franchise another contender?

not ideal for the C's though I can see why GSW might find that appealing

We aren't going to contend next season anyway so there is no real point in getting nominally better to lose in the 2nd round to a team like the Nets or Bucks.  The goal should be to maximize Tatum and Brown's window and that window really doesn't open for another couple of seasons.

Maximizing their window by wasting a year of their window? Cs need to add more ready players. Enough of the projects that currently litter this roster. They have enough projects and young guys who need development. If they are going to trade Smart or TT, it better be for a ready to play playe me rather than another rookie/project.

Their window hasn't started yet.  They will be in their 5th and 6th year.  That isn't their window, especially Tatum.  Players are at their peak from like year 8-12 historically and probably have a real window of year 7 to 13.  Sometimes guys make it in year 6 if they are really really good.  In other words, everyone who thinks Boston is going to contend next year is once again going to be disappointed at the end of the season.  Boston isn't good enough next year with the team as currently constructed and frankly without some sort of drastic move isn't ever going to be good enough (based on where Tatum and Brown are at right now).   Risks need to be taken.  That is why you make the move for a top 10 pick this year.  You hope that guy in a couple of seasons has progressed nicely enough to be a 3rd option when Tatum and Brown are actually in their prime.  That is how Boston will realistically compete for a title.

The problem is you literally eat a year of their contracts, so yes, in a way, they are in their window. There’s literally no guarantee these guys are going to be here for their real prime years. They might just leave in 3-4 years.

Exactly. There's this thought process that they're going to spend the bulk of their careers here and we have infinite time to build the perfect team. Jaylen's deal has 3 more years and with Jayson's final year option, he really has 4 more years. The way I see it, we've got two years before we have to start worrying about trade requests. This is the player empowerment era after all.

And the idea that this isn't their window is a weird one. Are they at their absolute peaks right now? No, but they are All-Stars right now who have already went on deep playoff runs. I guarantee you neither of them is thinking about waiting.

[Moranis]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

You're over valuing Smart on an expiring contact and under valuing Wiggins

Not at all.  The Warriors are so far into the tax that even a million in savings is huge for them.  This trade drops them over 10 million in actual salary this year, plus like 40 million next year, which is several times more than that in luxury tax.  In addition, Smart fits much better than Wiggins with Klay back in the fold.  He is quite simply a better fit with Curry and Klay for a team trying to win a title than Wiggins is. 

[RJ87]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

You're over valuing Smart on an expiring contact and under valuing Wiggins

Not at all.  The Warriors are so far into the tax that even a million in savings is huge for them.  This trade drops them over 10 million in actual salary this year, plus like 40 million next year, which is several times more than that in luxury tax.  In addition, Smart fits much better than Wiggins with Klay back in the fold.  He is quite simply a better fit with Curry and Klay for a team trying to win a title than Wiggins is.

Strongly disagree there. If Andrew maintains the growth he showed this year defensively and as a shooter, I think he's more valuable to them than Smart - especially with the West being loaded with wing talent. Klay is coming from an ACL and an Achilles, so he's likely to take a step back defensively. Having another long wing defender to help Draymond with the Lebrons, Kawhis, Lukas, and Bookers of the West is will be more important for them.

[Moranis]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

so the idea is to punt next season hoping Mitchell is relatively good for PG the following season and that Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard have another year of development while making another franchise another contender?

not ideal for the C's though I can see why GSW might find that appealing

We aren't going to contend next season anyway so there is no real point in getting nominally better to lose in the 2nd round to a team like the Nets or Bucks.  The goal should be to maximize Tatum and Brown's window and that window really doesn't open for another couple of seasons.

Maximizing their window by wasting a year of their window? Cs need to add more ready players. Enough of the projects that currently litter this roster. They have enough projects and young guys who need development. If they are going to trade Smart or TT, it better be for a ready to play playe me rather than another rookie/project.

Their window hasn't started yet.  They will be in their 5th and 6th year.  That isn't their window, especially Tatum.  Players are at their peak from like year 8-12 historically and probably have a real window of year 7 to 13.  Sometimes guys make it in year 6 if they are really really good.  In other words, everyone who thinks Boston is going to contend next year is once again going to be disappointed at the end of the season.  Boston isn't good enough next year with the team as currently constructed and frankly without some sort of drastic move isn't ever going to be good enough (based on where Tatum and Brown are at right now).   Risks need to be taken.  That is why you make the move for a top 10 pick this year.  You hope that guy in a couple of seasons has progressed nicely enough to be a 3rd option when Tatum and Brown are actually in their prime.  That is how Boston will realistically compete for a title.

The problem is you literally eat a year of their contracts, so yes, in a way, they are in their window. There’s literally no guarantee these guys are going to be here for their real prime years. They might just leave in 3-4 years.

I think they are far more likely to leave in a couple of seasons if the team they are on has no realistic shot at contention.  And I believe the team as currently constructed has no real shot at contention.  So yeah, you may downgrade the roster slightly next year by getting 7 and Wiggins for Smart and Thompson, but you upgrade significantly the future outlook of the team and that should be the point.  And to be clear, I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth on this one.  Thompson has far more value to GS than Boston next year given the big rotation of the respective teams.  So from Boston's perspective the trade mostly comes down to Smart v. Wiggins/7.  How that shakes out next year will be driven largely by how well the rookie plays.  The GS side though, Thompson will absolutely be a rotational piece for them getting minutes with both Wiseman and Draymond.  In addition, the salary savings for GS is immense.  They can use that savings to bring back Oubre for their bench or spend it elsewhere, however their real savings comes the following summer when 40 million just drops off their books.

At the end of the day, I want to win a championship and I believe one of the ways to do that is to trade some players now for a high draft pick this summer, and GS is the only team that makes any sort of sense as a trade partner in that regard for what Boston would reasonably give up (i.e. not Tatum or Brown). 

[Moranis]

Smart, Thompson, Edwards for Wiggins, 7

and your proposal for addressing what would be an even bigger gaping hole at starting PG would be?

Davion Mitchell

so...a rookie that's a bit of a reach at 7 with no experienced PG on the roster for him to learn from?  not what I'd go for.

also not thrilled with the idea of taking on Wiggins' deal and causing an even bigger glut at the swing position.  Brown, Tatum, Fournier (assuming he's resigned), Wiggins, Romeo and Nesmith?  having talent is great but man that's a logjam. 

not against moving Smart and TT at all but thinking there's got to be a deal out there that provides more balance to the roster.

Mitchell isn't a reach at that spot at all.  That is around where he has been going in mocks.  ESPN put up a mock after the lottery and had GS taking Mitchell at 7, for example.

You do that trade you don't bring back Fournier and save the money.  You do this trade about adding a top 10 pick and hoping that player is a hit.  Gives the team a real chance at a 3rd foundational piece that the C's otherwise don't have.

PG - Mitchell, Pritchard
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Wiggins, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
C - Horford, R. Williams, Brown

So that is the only 12 under contract for next year if you do the trade, with 3 open roster spots, which could be used on Ojeleye, Kornet, and of course Founier.  They are under the tax, so they can add to the team some with that trade, though can't go crazy as Wiggins and Mitchell do make more than Smart, Thompson, and Edwards.  Or they could just suck it up and pay the tax. 

As for why GS might do that, they want to win a title next year and I absolutely believe that Smart and Thompson will help them more to do that than Wiggins and the rookie at 7 would, plus it saves them like 10 million off the cap (this year and like 35 million next year), which is huge given their tax situation.  GS still has 14 so they will still be adding a lottery pick to the roster, but a starting 5 of Curry, Klay, Smart, Green, and Wiseman with Oubre (if they bring him back), Tristan, Looney, 14, Poole, Paschall, etc. is probably right there with the best teams in the league if Klay looks like old Klay and they otherwise stay relatively healthy.

You're over valuing Smart on an expiring contact and under valuing Wiggins

Not at all.  The Warriors are so far into the tax that even a million in savings is huge for them.  This trade drops them over 10 million in actual salary this year, plus like 40 million next year, which is several times more than that in luxury tax.  In addition, Smart fits much better than Wiggins with Klay back in the fold.  He is quite simply a better fit with Curry and Klay for a team trying to win a title than Wiggins is.

Strongly disagree there. If Andrew maintains the growth he showed this year defensively and as a shooter, I think he's more valuable to them than Smart - especially with the West being loaded with wing talent. Klay is coming from an ACL and an Achilles, so he's likely to take a step back defensively. Having another long wing defender to help Draymond with the Lebrons, Kawhis, Lukas, and Bookers of the West is will be more important for them.

Except Wiggins is a terrible defender so he doesn't solve that issue.