Why was Embiid not suspended

[tonydelk]

I've watched that video a few times and I thought Embiid would be suspended.  What he did was pretty dirty and Collins could have gotten really hurt.  While Embiid did not throw a punch he walked the man into the stands and Collins fell down on a camera man and stood over him taunting him.  This is after he elbows Collins in the face on his way up for a shot.  Embiid should have absolutely been suspended for a few games.  Embiid does this kind of stuff frequently.  Just because you don't throw a punch doesn't mean you can push the guy with your body till he falls down and you tower over him like you are an apex predator over his prey.  I really dislike Embiid as much as the three stooges from Brooklyn.

Go Atlanta.

[libermaniac]

What I saw was a) Collins shoved Embiid hard while on the ground b) as Embiid was getting up Collins grabbed him around the arms and pulled him towards him to kind of instigate things c) Embiid unnecessarily kept walking Collins backwards for a split second but d) Trae shoved Embiid in the back to force him to continue in the same direction.

So, I’m a bit surprised Embiid got fined and Collins did not.

[Neurotic Guy]

What I saw was a) Collins shoved Embiid hard while on the ground b) as Embiid was getting up Collins grabbed him around the arms and pulled him towards him to kind of instigate things c) Embiid unnecessarily kept walking Collins backwards for a split second but d) Trae shoved Embiid in the back to force him to continue in the same direction.

So, I’m a bit surprised Embiid got fined and Collins did not.

That’s how I saw it.  Embiid definitely bulled Collins backward a couple steps - it was aggressive, but Collins was the aggressor on the ground and when they stood up.

Embiid is a massive human being.

[18isGREATERthan72]

What I saw was a) Collins shoved Embiid hard while on the ground b) as Embiid was getting up Collins grabbed him around the arms and pulled him towards him to kind of instigate things c) Embiid unnecessarily kept walking Collins backwards for a split second but d) Trae shoved Embiid in the back to force him to continue in the same direction.

So, I’m a bit surprised Embiid got fined and Collins did not.

That’s how I saw it.  Embiid definitely bulled Collins backward a couple steps - it was aggressive, but Collins was the aggressor on the ground and when they stood up.

Embiid is a massive human being.

The first (and most egregious thing) to me about the whole confrontation was nothing that has been mentioned yet, and that was Embiid landing on top of Collins... There was essentially zero attempt to avoid landing on top of him / brace the fall.  This is immediately after an elbow to the face.  I didn't feel like Collins retaliation was about the elbow, but was from the seemingly intentional fall directly on top of him.

[BudweiserCeltic]

What I saw was a) Collins shoved Embiid hard while on the ground b) as Embiid was getting up Collins grabbed him around the arms and pulled him towards him to kind of instigate things c) Embiid unnecessarily kept walking Collins backwards for a split second but d) Trae shoved Embiid in the back to force him to continue in the same direction.

So, I’m a bit surprised Embiid got fined and Collins did not.

Well, you saw it wrong.:

a) Embiid landed on Collins' leg HARD, and Collins shoved him trying to get him off it... you know, the dude is quite heavy and showed no hurry in moving.

b) While Embiid was getting up he put his hand on Collins, that's why Collins later has his arm under his... particularly since Embiid kept walking over him (Collins couldn't stand his ground with that massive dude doing that).

c) Yep, but there was no "a split second" about it.

d) It did... maybe, but LOL at Trae doing anything to move Embiid... Embiid was continuing his path whether Trae did or not, he was a mosquito. And that Trae shoved him is a bit questionable, but doesn't make a difference either way.


Not to say whether the decision was wrong or not, but I think what you saw is not what happened at all.

[tazzmaniac]

What I saw was a) Collins shoved Embiid hard while on the ground b) as Embiid was getting up Collins grabbed him around the arms and pulled him towards him to kind of instigate things c) Embiid unnecessarily kept walking Collins backwards for a split second but d) Trae shoved Embiid in the back to force him to continue in the same direction.

So, I’m a bit surprised Embiid got fined and Collins did not.

That’s how I saw it.  Embiid definitely bulled Collins backward a couple steps - it was aggressive, but Collins was the aggressor on the ground and when they stood up.

Embiid is a massive human being.

Two posts favoring Embiid.  Definitely didn't expect that on here.  I think fining him was the right move but Collins should have been fined too.  Suspending Embiid would have been ridiculous and stupid. 

[Neurotic Guy]

What I saw was a) Collins shoved Embiid hard while on the ground b) as Embiid was getting up Collins grabbed him around the arms and pulled him towards him to kind of instigate things c) Embiid unnecessarily kept walking Collins backwards for a split second but d) Trae shoved Embiid in the back to force him to continue in the same direction.

So, I’m a bit surprised Embiid got fined and Collins did not.

That’s how I saw it.  Embiid definitely bulled Collins backward a couple steps - it was aggressive, but Collins was the aggressor on the ground and when they stood up.

Embiid is a massive human being.

Two posts favoring Embiid.  Definitely didn't expect that on here.  I think fining him was the right move but Collins should have been fined too.  Suspending Embiid would have been ridiculous and stupid.

Yes.  Fining both sounds right.

If Embiid fell hard onto Collins with intent and then took his time moving off (I.e. intending to hurt Collins) then I take back my blame on Collins.  I just didn’t see it that way. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

What I saw was a) Collins shoved Embiid hard while on the ground b) as Embiid was getting up Collins grabbed him around the arms and pulled him towards him to kind of instigate things c) Embiid unnecessarily kept walking Collins backwards for a split second but d) Trae shoved Embiid in the back to force him to continue in the same direction.

So, I’m a bit surprised Embiid got fined and Collins did not.

That’s how I saw it.  Embiid definitely bulled Collins backward a couple steps - it was aggressive, but Collins was the aggressor on the ground and when they stood up.

Embiid is a massive human being.

Two posts favoring Embiid.  Definitely didn't expect that on here.  I think fining him was the right move but Collins should have been fined too.  Suspending Embiid would have been ridiculous and stupid.

Yes.  Fining both sounds right.

If Embiid fell hard onto Collins with intent and then took his time moving off (I.e. intending to hurt Collins) then I take back my blame on Collins.  I just didn’t see it that way.

Intent or not, Embiid was on top of his leg... Collins had to shove him off it. There was no reason to take exception to that.

[Who]

I thought that would warrant an ejection (but not a suspension) in today's NBA.

To be honest, I'd prefer to see a punch thrown than type of stuff. That play acting. Don't like that. Don't respect that. I'd rather live with the odd punch being thrown. Allows the players to keep themselves in line and keep that jerk-ish nonsense out of the league.

[libermaniac]

What I saw was a) Collins shoved Embiid hard while on the ground b) as Embiid was getting up Collins grabbed him around the arms and pulled him towards him to kind of instigate things c) Embiid unnecessarily kept walking Collins backwards for a split second but d) Trae shoved Embiid in the back to force him to continue in the same direction.

So, I’m a bit surprised Embiid got fined and Collins did not.

Well, you saw it wrong.:

a) Embiid landed on Collins' leg HARD, and Collins shoved him trying to get him off it... you know, the dude is quite heavy and showed no hurry in moving.

b) While Embiid was getting up he put his hand on Collins, that's why Collins later has his arm under his... particularly since Embiid kept walking over him (Collins couldn't stand his ground with that massive dude doing that).

c) Yep, but there was no "a split second" about it.

d) It did... maybe, but LOL at Trae doing anything to move Embiid... Embiid was continuing his path whether Trae did or not, he was a mosquito. And that Trae shoved him is a bit questionable, but doesn't make a difference either way.


Not to say whether the decision was wrong or not, but I think what you saw is not what happened at all.

Don’t tell me what I saw and didn’t see. It was a bad offensive foul on Embiid, but he legitimately fell on Collins and, after that, Collins was the instigator by pushing him immediately and with more force than needed and immediately tugging on Embiid when they got up. They both are to blame but other than the dumb offensive foul, that was a part of a basketball move, Collins was the instigator in a passive aggressive Dwyane Wade type way.

[tazzmaniac]

What I saw was a) Collins shoved Embiid hard while on the ground b) as Embiid was getting up Collins grabbed him around the arms and pulled him towards him to kind of instigate things c) Embiid unnecessarily kept walking Collins backwards for a split second but d) Trae shoved Embiid in the back to force him to continue in the same direction.

So, I’m a bit surprised Embiid got fined and Collins did not.

That’s how I saw it.  Embiid definitely bulled Collins backward a couple steps - it was aggressive, but Collins was the aggressor on the ground and when they stood up.

Embiid is a massive human being.

Two posts favoring Embiid.  Definitely didn't expect that on here.  I think fining him was the right move but Collins should have been fined too.  Suspending Embiid would have been ridiculous and stupid.

Yes.  Fining both sounds right.

If Embiid fell hard onto Collins with intent and then took his time moving off (I.e. intending to hurt Collins) then I take back my blame on Collins.  I just didn’t see it that way.

It wasn't that way.  While Embiid is falling, his eyes are on the shot to see if it is going in.  Then  on the ground, Embiid's eyes shift focus to the ref and he was about to start complaining about the offensive foul call.  Then came the shove.  If Collins doesn't shove Embiid on the ground, there is no escalation. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

What I saw was a) Collins shoved Embiid hard while on the ground b) as Embiid was getting up Collins grabbed him around the arms and pulled him towards him to kind of instigate things c) Embiid unnecessarily kept walking Collins backwards for a split second but d) Trae shoved Embiid in the back to force him to continue in the same direction.

So, I’m a bit surprised Embiid got fined and Collins did not.

Well, you saw it wrong.:

a) Embiid landed on Collins' leg HARD, and Collins shoved him trying to get him off it... you know, the dude is quite heavy and showed no hurry in moving.

b) While Embiid was getting up he put his hand on Collins, that's why Collins later has his arm under his... particularly since Embiid kept walking over him (Collins couldn't stand his ground with that massive dude doing that).

c) Yep, but there was no "a split second" about it.

d) It did... maybe, but LOL at Trae doing anything to move Embiid... Embiid was continuing his path whether Trae did or not, he was a mosquito. And that Trae shoved him is a bit questionable, but doesn't make a difference either way.


Not to say whether the decision was wrong or not, but I think what you saw is not what happened at all.

Don’t tell me what I saw and didn’t see. It was a bad offensive foul on Embiid, but he legitimately fell on Collins and, after that, Collins was the instigator by pushing him immediately and with more force than needed

I mean, you have someone of Embiid's size and weight putting all the pressure on your leg, near the knee area... how much force is acceptable? Come on, that's just after falling hard on it and potentially getting hit in the face (on that I don't have a good angle).

The legitimacy of the fall is not really the important aspect of it. I guess if it was unintentional he should be fine with that big dude on top of his leg? Is that the argument?

and immediately tugging on Embiid when they got up.

That's because you're not looking at the appropriate angle I would think. After Embiid got shoved off Collins' leg he went after Collins' shoulder, not sure what he wanted to accomplish since it slipped...THEN after that was occurring Collins hooks his arm under his. Which is really not all that important once things escalated... Embiid was going to walk over him as it was, what do you want him to do?

They both are to blame but other than the dumb offensive foul, that was a part of a basketball move, Collins was the instigator in a passive aggressive Dwyane Wade type way.

Sure, only men that can withstand a 7 footer 280lbs+ landing on your leg allowed. And again, I don't care about who is to blame or not, and whatever, but the point is that you have a big dude who weights a ton falling hard on your leg, staying on top of your leg, you're allowed to shove him off it.

The rest, well, it's theatrics and posturing.

[chicagoceltic]

From the second angle I saw it looked like Embiid landed between Collins legs with his butt hitting the ground but his lower back and weight right on Collins' junk. If a 285 pound man lands on my junk I imagine my first reaction would be to push him off so I cannot blame Collins for that. Embiid is a punk/jerk (in my opinion) but a tech and fine is enough...no need for a suspension there.

[ozgod]

I guess he wasn't suspended so he could experience the pain of (yet) another second round exit 

[Darth_Yoda]

Embiid always gets away with whatever he wants too.

One of the NBAs Golden Boys.