Poll: Celtics/Kings trade

[showtime]

 I'd do this trade!

[wdleehi]

No.  Celtic's give up the best player.  They give up the more important position.   

[tstorey_97]

Celtics trade their two best defensive players?

Keep the trade ideas coming, not sure about volume shooters unless bencher types. Like Fox and Hield though

[LilRip]

Can we do this without the Fox/Brown part?

[Moranis]

Celtics trade their two best defensive players?

Keep the trade ideas coming, not sure about volume shooters unless bencher types. Like Fox and Hield though

Fox scored more ppg on less attempts per game than Brown.  Have a hard time calling him a volume shooter.  Hield is clearly a volume shooter with his over 10 attempts from 3 a game, though his 39.1% this past year was pretty darn good, so you probably don't mind him shooting so much.

[Who]

Can we do this without the Fox/Brown part?

Yeah, that was my thinking too. Also without Bagley. Just a Smart for Hield swap - probably need some salary filler to make it work but based around those two.

It would be so nice to see the Jays have a shooter like Hield next to them. Someone who can terrify opposing teams with his accuracy and volume from 3. Someone opposing teams have to worry about from all over the court.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Can we do this without the Fox/Brown part?

Yeah, that was my thinking too. Also without Bagley. Just a Smart for Hield swap - probably need some salary filler to make it work but based around those two.

It would be so nice to see the Jays have a shooter like Hield next to them. Someone who can terrify opposing teams with his accuracy and volume from 3. Someone opposing teams have to worry about from all over the court.

Fournier averaged 7 attempts a game at a higher percentage.

Payton Pritchard is already one of the best catch and shoot shooters in the NBA.

Nesmith projects to be a Tim Hardaway Jr. type shooter on the wing.

Adding Horford as a big shooter improves spacing significantly over any big shooters we had in the last two years. 

We used to need shooting. It's not something we need a lot of anymore. If anything, we need some more shooting at the 4, not the 2.

[LilRip]

Can we do this without the Fox/Brown part?

Yeah, that was my thinking too. Also without Bagley. Just a Smart for Hield swap - probably need some salary filler to make it work but based around those two.

It would be so nice to see the Jays have a shooter like Hield next to them. Someone who can terrify opposing teams with his accuracy and volume from 3. Someone opposing teams have to worry about from all over the court.

It’s an old idea but still a good one I think: what package can we send that nets us Hield and Barnes? Is it possible to still use the remaining Hayward TPE? I always get confused how TPE works

[BudweiserCeltic]

Celtics trade their two best defensive players?

Keep the trade ideas coming, not sure about volume shooters unless bencher types. Like Fox and Hield though

Fox scored more ppg on less attempts per game than Brown. Have a hard time calling him a volume shooter.  Hield is clearly a volume shooter with his over 10 attempts from 3 a game, though his 39.1% this past year was pretty darn good, so you probably don't mind him shooting so much.

Not that I'm agreeing or not with your appreciation of what a volume shooter is, but the comparison between Brown and Fox and how they score is not really that accurate. I'll quote myself:

Their Per-36 are identical in points, PPG in general has a lot of noise if one wants to get into details. Brown is a more efficient shooter, Fox makes up for it getting to the line more, but he's not a good FT shooter. Brown is not great either there, though quite better, but has been trending up.

All this to say that the assertion that Fox shoots less is misleading. Also consider that Fox has a higher USG%, which could also account on why he goes to the line more.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Can we do this without the Fox/Brown part?

Yeah, that was my thinking too. Also without Bagley. Just a Smart for Hield swap - probably need some salary filler to make it work but based around those two.

It would be so nice to see the Jays have a shooter like Hield next to them. Someone who can terrify opposing teams with his accuracy and volume from 3. Someone opposing teams have to worry about from all over the court.

My question is, why swap Smart for Hield when Fournier is a comparable to not say better shooter than Hield and we don't have to give anyone away to get him?

[Who]

Can we do this without the Fox/Brown part?

Yeah, that was my thinking too. Also without Bagley. Just a Smart for Hield swap - probably need some salary filler to make it work but based around those two.

It would be so nice to see the Jays have a shooter like Hield next to them. Someone who can terrify opposing teams with his accuracy and volume from 3. Someone opposing teams have to worry about from all over the court.

My question is, why swap Smart for Hield when Fournier is a comparable to not say better shooter than Hield and we don't have to give anyone away to get him?

I don't view Fournier as anywhere close to Hield. Hield is on a par with Klay Thompson.

The difference is volume. Hield has relentless volume. Around 10 three pointers attempts per game. He rated 2nd in three pointers made in each of the two previous seasons and 4th the year before.

Hield puts far more pressure on opposing defenses because of his relentless hunting for three point opportunities. And he doesn't just do it in volume, he does it with accuracy too at 40% career rate from downtown.

Hield gets three point opportunities from spot ups, movement (catch and shoot 3s) and off the dribble. He is one of the most varied three point shooters in the league. Behind only the likes of Steph Curry & Damian Lillard who are more dynamic off the dribble. Which is why I'd put Hield more on a par with Klay Thompson more so than them.

[Who]

Can we do this without the Fox/Brown part?

Yeah, that was my thinking too. Also without Bagley. Just a Smart for Hield swap - probably need some salary filler to make it work but based around those two.

It would be so nice to see the Jays have a shooter like Hield next to them. Someone who can terrify opposing teams with his accuracy and volume from 3. Someone opposing teams have to worry about from all over the court.

Fournier averaged 7 attempts a game at a higher percentage.

Payton Pritchard is already one of the best catch and shoot shooters in the NBA.

Nesmith projects to be a Tim Hardaway Jr. type shooter on the wing.

Adding Horford as a big shooter improves spacing significantly over any big shooters we had in the last two years. 

We used to need shooting. It's not something we need a lot of anymore. If anything, we need some more shooting at the 4, not the 2.

Let's stick with this -- keep Hield just move Tatum to PF and slide Fournier into a 6th man role. Imagine the shooting and scoring capabilities of that team together.

G: Pritchard
G: Hield, Nesmith
F: Jaylen, Fournier
F: Tatum
C: Horford, Rob Williams

Need another PG.

That team has title opportunities. Imagine trying to defend that team with all those shooters. They would be a nightmare to defend against.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Can we do this without the Fox/Brown part?

Yeah, that was my thinking too. Also without Bagley. Just a Smart for Hield swap - probably need some salary filler to make it work but based around those two.

It would be so nice to see the Jays have a shooter like Hield next to them. Someone who can terrify opposing teams with his accuracy and volume from 3. Someone opposing teams have to worry about from all over the court.

My question is, why swap Smart for Hield when Fournier is a comparable to not say better shooter than Hield and we don't have to give anyone away to get him?

I don't view Fournier as anywhere close to Hield. Hield is on a par with Klay Thompson.

The difference is volume. Hield has relentless volume. Around 10 three pointers attempts per game. He rated 2nd in three pointers made in each of the two previous seasons and 4th the year before.

Hield puts far more pressure on opposing defenses because of his relentless hunting for three point opportunities. And he doesn't just do it in volume, he does it with accuracy too at 40% career rate from downtown.

Hield gets three point opportunities from spot ups, movement (catch and shoot 3s) and off the dribble. He is one of the most varied three point shooters in the league. Behind only the likes of Steph Curry & Damian Lillard who are more dynamic off the dribble. Which is why I'd put Hield more on a par with Klay Thompson more so than them.

I don't care for the volume, but I see where you're coming from on the looking for it and willingness to take them on movement, etc.

Still wouldn't do it, but I see now where you're looking at. We don't know what the Fournier market will look like either, so that's something I'd have to take into consideration. But I like Smart plenty, warts and all.

[Birdman]

How bout Delon Wright fir Tristan Thompson straight up?

[gouki88]

Can we do this without the Fox/Brown part?

Yeah, that was my thinking too. Also without Bagley. Just a Smart for Hield swap - probably need some salary filler to make it work but based around those two.

It would be so nice to see the Jays have a shooter like Hield next to them. Someone who can terrify opposing teams with his accuracy and volume from 3. Someone opposing teams have to worry about from all over the court.

My question is, why swap Smart for Hield when Fournier is a comparable to not say better shooter than Hield and we don't have to give anyone away to get him?

I don't view Fournier as anywhere close to Hield. Hield is on a par with Klay Thompson.

The difference is volume. Hield has relentless volume. Around 10 three pointers attempts per game. He rated 2nd in three pointers made in each of the two previous seasons and 4th the year before.

Hield puts far more pressure on opposing defenses because of his relentless hunting for three point opportunities. And he doesn't just do it in volume, he does it with accuracy too at 40% career rate from downtown.

Hield gets three point opportunities from spot ups, movement (catch and shoot 3s) and off the dribble. He is one of the most varied three point shooters in the league. Behind only the likes of Steph Curry & Damian Lillard who are more dynamic off the dribble. Which is why I'd put Hield more on a par with Klay Thompson more so than them.

I don't care for the volume, but I see where you're coming from on the looking for it and willingness to take them on movement, etc.

Still wouldn't do it, but I see now where you're looking at. We don't know what the Fournier market will look like either, so that's something I'd have to take into consideration. But I like Smart plenty, warts and all.

But that's a key part of what makes three point shooters dangerous. Bobby Portis shot a higher % from 3 than Steph Curry did, but on a vastly lower amount. There are many similar examples, but the general gist of it is that 3P% needs to be considered in accordance with 3PA and 3PAr (percentage of overall field goals that are 3s). Hield's 3PAr was an astonishing 73% - Fournier's was 55%