Grading Brad's first trade

[Jvalin]

Are you happy with the trade?

Personally speaking, I'm happy with Horford coming back. I reckon he's a starting-caliber Center despite his age. He's also a nice fit alongside the Jays. That said, I don't like the trade.

In a vacuum, Kemba is the best player in the deal. Obviously, he's overpaid, but the same goes for Horford. Really don't think we should have included #16. First round picks are valuable assets. Imo, it's an overpay on our part.

Most deals happen on draft night/at the deadline for a reason. Teams are unwilling to lower their asking price prior to the draft night unless they are desperate to make a trade. It's when they run out of time on draft night that they finally compromise regarding their asking price. To put it another way, trade negotiations are like the game of chicken. Whomever backs down first loses the game. The C's backed down way too early and they got fleeced. Our rookie GM made a rookie mistake. I miss Danny already.

Don't know enough about Moses Brown. Based on a quick search, I'm not impressed. All in all, I'm somewhere between D and D+.

[wdleehi]

I am giving it a C because I think this is a trade that had to happen because of money more then talent. 

[Roy H.]

B/B+.

A good trade, not an amazing one. 

But ultimately, we need to see what the follow-ups are.  My grade assumes that we use the freed up money to bring back Fournier and further add to the team.

[Muzzy66]

I'm going with an A-

We addressed a need by moving Kemba's bad contact

We addressed a three needs (defense, ball movement, leadership) by bringing back Horford

We saved money and cleared some perimeter scoring logjam - both probably increase the probability of Fournier returning since Boston will have more cap flexibility and fournier can have a more defined role as a clear #3 guy

If Fournier does return we can move Smart to the starting PG spot - this is (IMHO) a much better role for him because it allows him to focus on defence and playmaking as prioroties rather than playing off the ball which seems to get him believing he is an offensive star.... Staying Smart also dramatically improves our defence.

We added a 7'2" big man who's only 21 and averaged a near double double and 1 block in only 20ish minutes least season - upside is there, and if he can develop into a Steven Adams type it could be huge for the team's future.  He also gives a lot of what Thompson did, so TT may become part of another move.

Part of me actually likes that we traded #16 as well, because this season was perfect proof that is not good when you need to rely heavily on rookies for the majority of your bench production.  I'm kinda glad we won't be doing another round of that.

[SHAQATTACK]

A -minus

Kemba value …..LOL .LOL …..bench warming and sucking down millions .  I m ecstatic to see this get done …it’s a common sense first move to put Celtics back on track .

I ll take bad contract Al any day of the week over a guy with bone on bone knee joints

send J Brown and Smart for Lillard


Trade Smart for CP3..

Get us a top Point guard Brad !

[LilRip]

I’m in the B range. It’s not a home run for sure but I like acquiring Horford. He’s a vet, he has the respect of both Jays, he plays the right way, and he can be a stabilizing presence on offense for the team. I don’t expect him to play big minutes but his off court contributions may outweigh his on court contributions.

Plus, we shave a year off of Kemba’s contract. Can we play in free agency sooner? Idk. Time will tell. We definitely still need a 3rd star to surround the Jays with to become a contender. I’m also surprised GBS made a trade without having a coach in place first

[slamtheking]

C --> Kemba and a first should have gotten a better return than an end-of-career and overpaid Al and a player that's still a project at best.  The financial benefit of Horford being cheaper and only half guaranteed the following year are only 'benefits' if they let Al go after this year so while it's technically a cost savings, it's a lot of dead salary still on the books for that season and no Al.

[Tr1boy]

A- 

save money and get a good looking young center prospect

surprised Presti traded Brown actually

but he is 1st round gold digger these days...

He will try to flip Kemba next for picks


The guy has major issues lol

[Donoghus]

B

Interested to see what other things shake out now but like the move more for financial implications than anything else. 

[wiley]

I don't believe an A trade was available once the decision to trade Kemba was made.  It's a forced
give- up-an-asset type trade imo for the sake of necessary cobweb clearing, re-structuring towards better defense and ball movement on offense.

So this is a B+.  An A for this year's on court product (adding Al and keeping Fournier, hopefully good stuff from Moses), brought down to a B by having to include pick 16 and ruining my draft night TV date..  then up to a B+ for the decisiveness of it.  A to B to B plus.

B+

[Roy H.]

  The financial benefit of Horford being cheaper and only half guaranteed the following year are only 'benefits' if they let Al go after this year so while it's technically a cost savings, it's a lot of dead salary still on the books for that season and no Al.

Partially true, but we’re saving about $10 million per season regardless of whether we waive him.  If that $10 million is reinvested into the team, it could be huge.

[PAOBoston]

I’ll give it a B. It’s functional. You get rid of a bad contract for a player who will never likely be fully healthy again for another bad contract. In the end, you save some money but Horford fits a need on this team (floor spacer/big man ball handler/solid defense) and you get an intriguing big man prospect. If Kemba was actually healthy it’s a different story. Personally, I think he’s toast and it feels like the Cs might know that too.

This also opens up other trade opportunities as well so guess we’ll see what happens with those.

[Tr1boy]

  The financial benefit of Horford being cheaper and only half guaranteed the following year are only 'benefits' if they let Al go after this year so while it's technically a cost savings, it's a lot of dead salary still on the books for that season and no Al.

Partially true, but we’re saving about $10 million per season regardless of whether we waive him.  If that $10 million is reinvested into the team, it could be huge.

If Celts waive AL after this season

plus Thompson and Smart contracts coming off the books

Is there room for another max slot?

[Muzzy66]

I’m in the B range. It’s not a home run for sure but I like acquiring Horford. He’s a vet, he has the respect of both Jays, he plays the right way, and he can be a stabilizing presence on offense for the team. I don’t expect him to play big minutes but his off court contributions may outweigh his on court contributions.

Plus, we shave a year off of Kemba’s contract. Can we play in free agency sooner? Idk. Time will tell. We definitely still need a 3rd star to surround the Jays with to become a contender. I’m also surprised GBS made a trade without having a coach in place first

Not sure we do need a 3rd star.

Look how well Atlanta and Phoenix have done this season workout that 3rd star.  Milwaukee have also been consistentl to strong despite not really having any big name stars behind Giannis.

Meanwhile Brooklyn and Philly (with their star studded lineups) are both one loss away from elimination.

I think people get too drawn in to the glitz and glamour.  A star studded team like GS / LA win a title and everybody stars assuming that's the only way.  But then those star studded teams are always extremely top heavy, and sometimes all it takes is one key injury and the season is over. 

Sometimes I think it might be better to have one superstar, one all-star, and quality depth - that way when one man goes down you have a better chance of the next guy stepping up and less drop off.

[slamtheking]

  The financial benefit of Horford being cheaper and only half guaranteed the following year are only 'benefits' if they let Al go after this year so while it's technically a cost savings, it's a lot of dead salary still on the books for that season and no Al.

Partially true, but we’re saving about $10 million per season regardless of whether we waive him.  If that $10 million is reinvested into the team, it could be huge.

again, a big IF