Just wondering how many feel Kemba is unmovable.

[Celtics4ever]

I think it won't be easy.

[PAOBoston]

Anyone can get traded. Might cost a young player or pick(s) added to it but they can move him. Just need to find the right partner.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Of course hes moveable it's just for what?  We're not getting an All Star back that's for sure

[Celtics2021]

KW reportedly has a 15% trade kicker that would jack his salary up to the $40MM range. Also missed 40% of the games.

Doubt you can move him this year. Maybe next year if he's healthy, but if that's true, then why do you move him?

First I'm hearing about the trade kicker.  Where did you see that?

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/01/nba-players-with-trade-kickers-in-202021.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-players-with-trade-kickers-in-2020-21/ar-BB1cGFEw

Upon further research, it turns out that Cs would pay it and spread it over two years for cap purposes. So it wouldn't impede a deal, but it would be a decent size dead money hit.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/12/hoops-rumors-glossary-trade-kickers.html

Yeah, the kicker works out to be less than 15%, because the kicker can't take him over the max salary, so it comes to about $3.3 million.  He can waive the kicker if he is so inclined (more likely to happen if he's moved to a place he wants to go to).  If he's traded before the start of the new league year, the kicker can get spread over two seasons as well.

[Celtics2021]

It certainly won't be easy. His knees are a red flag. (It's interesting that when he originally got to Boston he had the reputation of seldom missing games.) 

There has to be a playoff team out there, that made an early exit that feels they're one scorer away. 

I would be fine with him being traded for a few serviceable players to bolster our G League bench.

Many say we don't have interest to dump his salary in a trade. But what if NYK think he is a viable big 3 with Randle and Barett. Then trade him for Mitchell Robinson and NYK 2022 first RP (protected like J Green picks trade like 10 to 6). Get rid of Thompson and Edwards with 2d picks.
Then with the 20M cap space sign either Lowry or Dragic for a 1 or 2 years rental. Create TPE with Fournier to use it later on Barnes or Grant OR evenBertans (like for 2/3 first + one young buck, saying Pritchard as I prefer Nesmith and Langford potential). Use the rest of TPE(s) and MLE to sign 2 correct supporting cast players (Dunn,Bradley,Ntilikina for G and Olynyk-McGee-WCS for Big)

A team of : Lowry (or Dragic)-Brown-Tatum-Barnes-Timelord   Smart-Bradley-Nesmith-Olynyk-Robinson   Madar-Ntilikina-Langford-Parker-G Will would be a deep team with a lot of defensive materials surounding the jays. And I would even be sad not seeing Brad coaching this team, as I really think for his style of coaching he lacked of material this year, not even counting the injuries and covids.

Kemba's cap space is a kind of asset. It would be better for Boston to get no player salaries back rather than get someone like Mitchell Robinson. He's worth having, but taking him means the trade creates no TPE, so Kemba's salary couldn't be reused.

If we could just give him to NYK for any draft pick, another huge TPE would be the best outcome. Otherwise, better to take back two or three overpaid players, and deal with them. If you look at a list of all the top NBA salaries, no one swap would appear to do us any good.

This is incorrect on several levels.  Firstly, in a one-for-one trade, you get a TPE equal to the difference between salaries, so the Celtics could always get an exception in a Walker-Robinson trade if they're straight up, and it would be a very large (Beal-sized) exception.

Secondly, the Celtics have a ton of trade exceptions.  The $11 million left for Hayward, $5 million for Theis, near $5 million for Kanter.  The Celtics can fit players they receive back in a Kemba trade against those exceptions, so they could still get a full Kemba exception.  Say, for example, the Celtics traded Kemba to Phoenix if Paul leaves.  Phoenix doesn't quite have cap room, but if they trade Dario Saric they would.  Saric could fit into the rest of the Hayward exception, and we could get a full Kemba exception.

[Kuberski33]

KW reportedly has a 15% trade kicker that would jack his salary up to the $40MM range. Also missed 40% of the games.

Doubt you can move him this year. Maybe next year if he's healthy, but if that's true, then why do you move him?

The problem with keeping him is he's a shoot first PG and you've got the Jays who need the ball and as of now aren't great passers. The current mix doesn't really work. And that's before you talk about creating room to improve the roster.  And the way I understand it, right now they can't even re-sign Fornier unless Wyc wants to pay luxury tax.

[Who]

Easy to trade but you are not going to get value for him. You can get out of his contract but you can't get value back.

[Vermont Green]

Secondly, the Celtics have a ton of trade exceptions.  The $11 million left for Hayward, $5 million for Theis, near $5 million for Kanter.  The Celtics can fit players they receive back in a Kemba trade against those exceptions, so they could still get a full Kemba exception.  Say, for example, the Celtics traded Kemba to Phoenix if Paul leaves.  Phoenix doesn't quite have cap room, but if they trade Dario Saric they would.  Saric could fit into the rest of the Hayward exception, and we could get a full Kemba exception.

Interesting, I hadn't thought about it that way.  So we have TPEs at $11.0M, $5.0M, $4.8M, and $1.6M.  That is $22.4M total, so X 1.25 ($28.0M) is still short of Kemba's $36.0 but it does provide a possibility to kind of consolidate all of these smaller TPE into one bigger one.   Hard for a team to line up with all of these though but no doubt the Celtics would be able to "roll over" some of this in a trade of Kemba.

So an example would be Chicago sends Satoransky ($10M covered by TPE) and Young ($14M as incoming) for Kemba ($36M outgoing) and we end up with a $22M TPE ($36M out - $14M in).  That isn't terrible.  Then trade multiple picks to Atlanta for S&T Collins at the $22M (Using TPE), sign Fournier (if we still feel we need him), and we have a pretty big tax bill but a nicely upgraded and balanced team:

Smart
Brown
Tatum
Collins
Thompson

Pritchard, Satoransky, Fournier, Young, RWill

Edwards, Langford, Nesmith, Parker, GWill

OK, that is my new "Plan A". 

Terrific and well balance starting 5, a really good albeit expensive bench (Satoransky and Young would be expiring at least), and pretty useful deep depth players, all who can actually play when needed (maybe with Edwards being a bit of a stretch).

[PhoSita]

"Pretty big tax bill" is seriously understating it.

[Celtics2021]

Secondly, the Celtics have a ton of trade exceptions.  The $11 million left for Hayward, $5 million for Theis, near $5 million for Kanter.  The Celtics can fit players they receive back in a Kemba trade against those exceptions, so they could still get a full Kemba exception.  Say, for example, the Celtics traded Kemba to Phoenix if Paul leaves.  Phoenix doesn't quite have cap room, but if they trade Dario Saric they would.  Saric could fit into the rest of the Hayward exception, and we could get a full Kemba exception.

Interesting, I hadn't thought about it that way.  So we have TPEs at $11.0M, $5.0M, $4.8M, and $1.6M.  That is $22.4M total, so X 1.25 ($28.0M) is still short of Kemba's $36.0 but it does provide a possibility to kind of consolidate all of these smaller TPE into one bigger one.   Hard for a team to line up with all of these though but no doubt the Celtics would be able to "roll over" some of this in a trade of Kemba.

So an example would be Chicago sends Satoransky ($10M covered by TPE) and Young ($14M as incoming) for Kemba ($36M outgoing) and we end up with a $22M TPE ($36M out - $14M in).  That isn't terrible.  Then trade multiple picks to Atlanta for S&T Collins at the $22M (Using TPE), sign Fournier (if we still feel we need him), and we have a pretty big tax bill but a nicely upgraded and balanced team:

Smart
Brown
Tatum
Collins
Thompson

Pritchard, Satoransky, Fournier, Young, RWill

Edwards, Langford, Nesmith, Parker, GWill

OK, that is my new "Plan A". 

Terrific and well balance starting 5, a really good albeit expensive bench (Satoransky and Young would be expiring at least), and pretty useful deep depth players, all who can actually play when needed (maybe with Edwards being a bit of a stretch).

A reminder that a sign-and-trade for Collins still locks us into the hard cap, so a team with Collins and Fournier is impossible in this situation.  It might be possible with Young removed, or without Fournier instead of Young.  (I'm not crunching the numbers to find out how possible -- not a guarantee by any stretch).

[SHAQATTACK]

Of course hes moveable it's just for what?  We're not getting an All Star back that's for sure

Oh....how about a “ Happy Meal”

[SHAQATTACK]

I think it won't be easy.

It definitely worth ALL the effort and then some.

[liam]

Secondly, the Celtics have a ton of trade exceptions.  The $11 million left for Hayward, $5 million for Theis, near $5 million for Kanter.  The Celtics can fit players they receive back in a Kemba trade against those exceptions, so they could still get a full Kemba exception.  Say, for example, the Celtics traded Kemba to Phoenix if Paul leaves.  Phoenix doesn't quite have cap room, but if they trade Dario Saric they would.  Saric could fit into the rest of the Hayward exception, and we could get a full Kemba exception.

Interesting, I hadn't thought about it that way.  So we have TPEs at $11.0M, $5.0M, $4.8M, and $1.6M.  That is $22.4M total, so X 1.25 ($28.0M) is still short of Kemba's $36.0 but it does provide a possibility to kind of consolidate all of these smaller TPE into one bigger one.   Hard for a team to line up with all of these though but no doubt the Celtics would be able to "roll over" some of this in a trade of Kemba.

So an example would be Chicago sends Satoransky ($10M covered by TPE) and Young ($14M as incoming) for Kemba ($36M outgoing) and we end up with a $22M TPE ($36M out - $14M in).  That isn't terrible.  Then trade multiple picks to Atlanta for S&T Collins at the $22M (Using TPE), sign Fournier (if we still feel we need him), and we have a pretty big tax bill but a nicely upgraded and balanced team:

Smart
Brown
Tatum
Collins
Thompson

Pritchard, Satoransky, Fournier, Young, RWill

Edwards, Langford, Nesmith, Parker, GWill

OK, that is my new "Plan A". 

Terrific and well balance starting 5, a really good albeit expensive bench (Satoransky and Young would be expiring at least), and pretty useful deep depth players, all who can actually play when needed (maybe with Edwards being a bit of a stretch).

A reminder that a sign-and-trade for Collins still locks us into the hard cap, so a team with Collins and Fournier is impossible in this situation.  It might be possible with Young removed, or without Fournier instead of Young.  (I'm not crunching the numbers to find out how possible -- not a guarantee by any stretch).

I don't think Collins has looked like he's worth a big payday in the playoffs yet. He could really make his bag in the series against the Sixers. If he can have a great series that will be all it will take to get a max from the Knicks.

[gouki88]

Nobody is unmovable. Andrew Wiggins and Chris Paul got moved when they were thought to be unmovable

[RJ87]

Nobody is unmovable. Andrew Wiggins and Chris Paul got moved when they were thought to be unmovable

Exactly. It all comes down to what you're willing to take back in a trade. After watching massive contracts in Wiggins, Wall, and Westbrook get moved (twice for Westbrook), any guy is tradeable.