BOS-HOU trade idea: One of Jays plus Walker for Cade, Wall and Multiple 1sts

[Tr1boy]

Unlikely... but if Celtics are ready to do a semi blowup of its core. Is this upcoming draft the ticket to do it?  It is considered one of the deepest in years

The team will take a step back.  But perhaps better equipped to make a real run to the finals two years from now.   The current lineup as constructed likely does not have enough to get past the 2nd round.  Especially with Walker health issue,  not sure what will happen with Smart,   TL is never healthy etc.

Having Tatum and Brown is a solid young core.  But in todays league standard, that is not enough.  So how are you going to surround them with talent??  just wait on yearly draft picks?   Celtics are not a FA destination ...  Kyrie recent comments made it worse. 

A new coach/voice is good. But again, its probably not enough.

Again, I'm not saying go nuclear. Its more like a case study.   
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Trade proposals

Option 1

To Rockets:  Tatum or Brown, Walker (Rockets must eat his contract)
To Celtics:  2021 1st overall pick, 2023-2025 1sts, Christian Wood,  John Wall (hold out for trade or keep), Avery Bradley (bought out)

1st pick (from Rockets):  Cade Cunningham

This way, Brad gets out of Walker contract.   Has future cap flexibility.  A cupboard of draft picks he can use for a significant trade when the opportunity arises.  Example for Towns

Again, I like both of the Jays. Especially Brown.  But with the way the current lineup is constructed,  how is it going to be possible to reach the next level?? 

[Goldstar88]

You do realize that the chances that Cunningham is as good as Brown, never mind Tatum, is extremely slim. Jaylen is 24 and Jayson is 23. Both are already all stars at that age. What are we talking about...This makes no sense.

[PhoSita]

Wouldn't the Rockets prefer to build around the younger, cheaper player considering they are in the midst of a total rebuild?

[Tr1boy]

Wouldn't the Rockets prefer to build around the younger, cheaper player considering they are in the midst of a total rebuild?

We don't know. Maybe they don't

They do have a treasure chest of 1st round picks....   2021 1st and like 3 other late teen/early 20. As well many 1sts in future years due to Harden trade.  Too many selections to make

Its the kind of situation where it makes sense to trade for a Tatum or Towns etc.

[ETNCeltics]

Can't fathom the mind of someone who posts "one of the Jays" after what we've seen Tatum accomplish.

[Tr1boy]

You do realize that the chances that Cunningham is as good as Brown, never mind Tatum, is extremely slim. Jaylen is 24 and Jayson is 23. Both are already all stars at that age. What are we talking about...This makes no sense.

Cunningham is considered a similar type of talent. His size + skills

At the same age, just a notch higher level talent than Brown or Tatum

Brown or Tatum are obviously better now.  But you see Cunningham games and what experts say. And he could also be special

He is a naturally gifted passer. Can shoot and is a horse on D end

[Tr1boy]

Can't fathom the mind of someone who posts "one of the Jays" after what we've seen Tatum accomplish.

relax...it's not that serious

[RJ87]

You do realize that the chances that Cunningham is as good as Brown, never mind Tatum, is extremely slim. Jaylen is 24 and Jayson is 23. Both are already all stars at that age. What are we talking about...This makes no sense.

Cunningham is considered a similar type of talent. His size + skills

At the same age, just a notch higher level talent than Brown or Tatum

Brown or Tatum are obviously better now.  But you see Cunningham games and what experts say. And he could also be special

He is a naturally gifted passer. Can shoot and is a horse on D end

"Experts" said the same thing about Markelle Fultz. I don't see a reason to trade one of two young All-Stars under contract for an unknown. Maybe Cade is really special or he could be the next Wiggins. It's an unnecessary gamble.

[Tr1boy]

You do realize that the chances that Cunningham is as good as Brown, never mind Tatum, is extremely slim. Jaylen is 24 and Jayson is 23. Both are already all stars at that age. What are we talking about...This makes no sense.

Cunningham is considered a similar type of talent. His size + skills

At the same age, just a notch higher level talent than Brown or Tatum

Brown or Tatum are obviously better now.  But you see Cunningham games and what experts say. And he could also be special

He is a naturally gifted passer. Can shoot and is a horse on D end

"Experts" said the same thing about Markelle Fultz. I don't see a reason to trade one of two young All-Stars under contract for an unknown. Maybe Cade is really special or he could be the next Wiggins. It's an unnecessary gamble.

Cade is not the next Wiggins or Fultz.  He will be better

He is already a very good shooter, passer and ball handler (needs to tighten up a tad more)

Fultz couldn't shoot.  Wiggins has low IQ/one dimensional

[Diggles]

Only way I trade Brown is if we are getting back #1, Kevin Porter Jr & Wood.     And then we also move Kemba/TT for another first to a third team. 

[Rikibellevie]

You do realize that the chances that Cunningham is as good as Brown, never mind Tatum, is extremely slim. Jaylen is 24 and Jayson is 23. Both are already all stars at that age. What are we talking about...This makes no sense.

Cunningham is considered a similar type of talent. His size + skills

At the same age, just a notch higher level talent than Brown or Tatum

Brown or Tatum are obviously better now.  But you see Cunningham games and what experts say. And he could also be special

He is a naturally gifted passer. Can shoot and is a horse on D end

Yes he is considered and Brown has prooved a lot. Tatum is just the biggest talent we drafted since Larry Bird and for his age is one of the best all time, second most promising young in the league. What there is around i changable more easily than what you think (just look at Philly), but finding Tatum is finding one unique player, the kind you may find once in a decade or so.

[Goldstar88]

You do realize that the chances that Cunningham is as good as Brown, never mind Tatum, is extremely slim. Jaylen is 24 and Jayson is 23. Both are already all stars at that age. What are we talking about...This makes no sense.

Cunningham is considered a similar type of talent. His size + skills

At the same age, just a notch higher level talent than Brown or Tatum

Brown or Tatum are obviously better now.  But you see Cunningham games and what experts say. And he could also be special

He is a naturally gifted passer. Can shoot and is a horse on D end

"Experts" said the same thing about Markelle Fultz. I don't see a reason to trade one of two young All-Stars under contract for an unknown. Maybe Cade is really special or he could be the next Wiggins. It's an unnecessary gamble.

Cade is not the next Wiggins or Fultz.  He will be better

He is already a very good shooter, passer and ball handler (needs to tighten up a tad more)

Fultz couldn't shoot.  Wiggins has low IQ/one dimensional

Michael Beasley was a better player and more dominant coming out of college(averaged 26 and 12. 38% from 3pt) than Cunningham was and look how that turned out. You ever hear the phrase  'A Bird in the Hand is Worth Two in the Bush'?  Tatum and Brown are sure things.

[Tr1boy]

You do realize that the chances that Cunningham is as good as Brown, never mind Tatum, is extremely slim. Jaylen is 24 and Jayson is 23. Both are already all stars at that age. What are we talking about...This makes no sense.

Cunningham is considered a similar type of talent. His size + skills

At the same age, just a notch higher level talent than Brown or Tatum

Brown or Tatum are obviously better now.  But you see Cunningham games and what experts say. And he could also be special

He is a naturally gifted passer. Can shoot and is a horse on D end

"Experts" said the same thing about Markelle Fultz. I don't see a reason to trade one of two young All-Stars under contract for an unknown. Maybe Cade is really special or he could be the next Wiggins. It's an unnecessary gamble.

Cade is not the next Wiggins or Fultz.  He will be better

He is already a very good shooter, passer and ball handler (needs to tighten up a tad more)

Fultz couldn't shoot.  Wiggins has low IQ/one dimensional

Michael Beasley was a better player and more dominant coming out of college(averaged 26 and 12. 38% from 3pt) than Cunningham was and look how that turned out. You ever hear the phrase  'A Bird in the Hand is Worth Two in the Bush'?  Tatum and Brown are sure things.

Not sure if you read my post

This is not just about Brown and Tatum

how are you going to add talent....in order to take the next step??

Even Lebron with Cavs (1st time around)  was a dead end.... in that he could not win the ultimate prize

[Goldstar88]

You do realize that the chances that Cunningham is as good as Brown, never mind Tatum, is extremely slim. Jaylen is 24 and Jayson is 23. Both are already all stars at that age. What are we talking about...This makes no sense.

Cunningham is considered a similar type of talent. His size + skills

At the same age, just a notch higher level talent than Brown or Tatum

Brown or Tatum are obviously better now.  But you see Cunningham games and what experts say. And he could also be special

He is a naturally gifted passer. Can shoot and is a horse on D end

"Experts" said the same thing about Markelle Fultz. I don't see a reason to trade one of two young All-Stars under contract for an unknown. Maybe Cade is really special or he could be the next Wiggins. It's an unnecessary gamble.

Cade is not the next Wiggins or Fultz.  He will be better

He is already a very good shooter, passer and ball handler (needs to tighten up a tad more)

Fultz couldn't shoot.  Wiggins has low IQ/one dimensional

Michael Beasley was a better player and more dominant coming out of college(averaged 26 and 12. 38% from 3pt) than Cunningham was and look how that turned out. You ever hear the phrase  'A Bird in the Hand is Worth Two in the Bush'?  Tatum and Brown are sure things.

Not sure if you read my post

This is not just about Brown and Tatum

how are you going to add talent....in order to take the next step??

Even Lebron with Cavs (1st time around)  was a dead end.... in that he could not win the ultimate prize

The players run the league. Have to hope Tatum and Brown are good at recruiting. Trading away your young stars who are under contract for several years for a lottery ticket is not the answer.

[Tr1boy]

You do realize that the chances that Cunningham is as good as Brown, never mind Tatum, is extremely slim. Jaylen is 24 and Jayson is 23. Both are already all stars at that age. What are we talking about...This makes no sense.

Cunningham is considered a similar type of talent. His size + skills

At the same age, just a notch higher level talent than Brown or Tatum

Brown or Tatum are obviously better now.  But you see Cunningham games and what experts say. And he could also be special

He is a naturally gifted passer. Can shoot and is a horse on D end

"Experts" said the same thing about Markelle Fultz. I don't see a reason to trade one of two young All-Stars under contract for an unknown. Maybe Cade is really special or he could be the next Wiggins. It's an unnecessary gamble.

Cade is not the next Wiggins or Fultz.  He will be better

He is already a very good shooter, passer and ball handler (needs to tighten up a tad more)

Fultz couldn't shoot.  Wiggins has low IQ/one dimensional

Michael Beasley was a better player and more dominant coming out of college(averaged 26 and 12. 38% from 3pt) than Cunningham was and look how that turned out. You ever hear the phrase  'A Bird in the Hand is Worth Two in the Bush'?  Tatum and Brown are sure things.

Not sure if you read my post

This is not just about Brown and Tatum

how are you going to add talent....in order to take the next step??

Even Lebron with Cavs (1st time around)  was a dead end.... in that he could not win the ultimate prize

The players run the league. Have to hope Tatum and Brown are good at recruiting

So now .. .this is what it has come to/will come to?

most of the young talented players like them are locked up with their own teams.  The ones that may walk....  I'm not confident Boston is their preferred destination.  Brown and Tatum also don't strike me as "recruiters"

Then there is "money" issue you didn't talk about. Walker has two more years left on his deal.

How is the Celtics suppose to sign this third super player?