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What is Brad Steven's vision of NBA Basketball?
« on: June 03, 2021, 09:43:20 AM »

Offline wdleehi

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I am just thinking, what does Steven want to see on the NBA basketball team?   


I think we sort of know.   He wants to see the Spurs.   The offense of read and react with everyone capable of making the right pass.   

I am sure someone here can write a more detail and better though out idea of what this is.  The reason I am asking and thinking about this is to try to figure out what he may do?   Does he pick a coach that believe and wants to do the same thing or does he pick who he thinks is the best coach?   

What type of player does he thinks best fit with that system or does he look for the best player that fits Tatum and Brown?

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2021, 09:57:46 AM »

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I know defensively Brad puts a premium on the ability to switch seamlessly.

I really think Lonzo Ball would be a great addition to the team because of his defense/size and ability to play effective offense without needing to score.

Brad also seems to prefer having at least one Big that can shoot the three pointer. We lost that when Theis left, so I anticipate seeing that as offseason move.

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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2021, 10:01:09 AM »

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I am just thinking, what does Steven want to see on the NBA basketball team?   


I think we sort of know.   He wants to see the Spurs.   The offense of read and react with everyone capable of making the right pass.   

I am sure someone here can write a more detail and better though out idea of what this is.  The reason I am asking and thinking about this is to try to figure out what he may do?   Does he pick a coach that believe and wants to do the same thing or does he pick who he thinks is the best coach?   

What type of player does he thinks best fit with that system or does he look for the best player that fits Tatum and Brown?

Game 5 vs Nets was a good example of what he is looking for imo.  Game 3 win also. 

Except not the crucial missed shots. And then Nets running away after getting the game down to 7

Smart is probably a goner if you ask me. Brad is not going to keep him because they have a history.

Brad has sold his soul to Wyc and attempt to raise banner 18

Carsen, Tacko, Waters, Smart, Semi, Grant, Kornet, Fournier .... are all goners imo.  With attempt to trade Walker also

I could see Brad try to make a play for Franz Wagner on draft night. A tall versatile defender that can compliment the Jays. 

FA market look at Muscala, Austin Rivers, Doug Mcdermott, Sterling Brown, Caruso, Forbes, Bullock, Burks, Payne, Lyles, Niang, ish Smith
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I know defensively Brad puts a premium on the ability to switch seamlessly.

I really think Lonzo Ball would be a great addition to the team because of his defense/size and ability to play effective offense without needing to score.

Brad also seems to prefer having at least one Big that can shoot the three pointer. We lost that when Theis left, so I anticipate seeing that as offseason move.
Ball's size, D and ball handling are all plusses but the issue if he comes here isn't if he can be effective in the offense without needing to score, it's whether he can be effective when they DO need him to score.  we've seen a lot of games where the offense was failing and we needed Kemba to step up (which he didn't always do) so the concern is whether Ball could step up and provide scoring when we're having a bad shooting night.  for me, that's a critical skill we need from our next PG if it's not going to be Kemba

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Switch pretty much everything on defense. Use a mobile big man who can play D on the perimeter. For instance, Horford or Theis. The way our PnR defense usually worked, our big met the opposing ball handler at the level of dribble hand off and denied penetration.

PnR-heavy offense. The PnR ball handler runs the offense. If the opponents switch, we take advantage of the mismatch. If they go under the pick, the ball handler takes an open 3. If they go over, we usually get an open mid range jumper/floater. If they hedge the pick, we make a quick pass to the roller (at least that's the optimal strategy. Tatum ain't always a great reader in hedge situations). If they ice the pick, we attack the basket and/or drive and kick for an open 3. Brown cannot run the PnR. He usually operated as a slasher + an off ball shooter.

Personally speaking, I really like his vision of how the game should be played. My only objection is that he loves undersized guards. Obviously, it ain't easy to find an oversized PnR shot creator at the PG position.
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I know defensively Brad puts a premium on the ability to switch seamlessly.

I really think Lonzo Ball would be a great addition to the team because of his defense/size and ability to play effective offense without needing to score.

Brad also seems to prefer having at least one Big that can shoot the three pointer. We lost that when Theis left, so I anticipate seeing that as offseason move.

Agree on big who can shoot, and also make plays. could definitely see an effort to get Kelly Olynyk back, he'd be decent back up big for us.

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5 guards =  Perimeter players.

3 point shooters, ball-handlers & passers.

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Hopefully his philosophy is "gather three All-NBA level players, and surround them with good role players".

Because, that's the model that wins in the NBA.  The system really doesn't matter all that much.


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his vision of nba basketball as far as i can gather is to shoot 3's as often as possible whether its a good look or not
so i think ideally he'd trade for steph, klay, and trae young, and bring steve nash, reggie miller and chris jackson out of retirement to be our bench

doug moe can be our new coach

we're gonna get killed on the boards

but we will never shoot 2's

so it should totally work out

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My only objection is that he loves undersized guards. Obviously, it ain't easy to find an oversized PnR shot creator at the PG position.

Was that Brad's preference or Danny's?

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Switch pretty much everything on defense. Use a mobile big man who can play D on the perimeter. For instance, Horford or Theis. The way our PnR defense usually worked, our big met the opposing ball handler at the level of dribble hand off and denied penetration.

PnR-heavy offense. The PnR ball handler runs the offense. If the opponents switch, we get advantage of the mismatch. If they go under the pick, the ball handler takes an open 3. If they go over, we usually get an open mid range jumper/floater. If they hedge the pick, we make a quick pass to the roller (at least that's the optimal strategy. Tatum ain't always a great reader in hedge situations). If they ice the pick, we attack the basket and/or drive and kick for an open 3. Brown cannot run the PnR. He usually operated as a slasher + an off ball shooter.

Personally speaking, I really like his vision of how the game should be played. My only objection is that he loves undersized guards. Obviously, it ain't easy to find an oversized PnR shot creator at the PG position.
Are we sure about this or is that just the type of guards that were on the roster?

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My only objection is that he loves undersized guards. Obviously, it ain't easy to find an oversized PnR shot creator at the PG position.

Was that Brad's preference or Danny's?
Beat me to it TP.

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I really don't think that Brad's vision will be all that much different than Danny's.  I have heard Brad make some comments about the team's overall lack of size but I am not sure Danny would even disagree with that.  Perhaps Brad will put a little more priority to getting that one good (able to shoot) big that we need (PF or C, I don't care).  Danny has even come right out and said that this was the number one need or goal but he has not been able to make it happen.  Maybe Brad will.

I think Ownership believes this is a good team and wants to continue in more or less the same direction.  They didn't want some one to come in and trade away everything for draft picks and implement a whole new vision.  I agree with this.

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I think the important question, which we can't answer right now, is whether Brad cares more about building a steady, consistent culture with a stable foundation of players that fit a certain type / style of play, or if he prefers to target talent above all else. 

The last few years we've seen moves that prioritize talent (Hayward, Kyrie, angling for AD, Kemba) fall apart.  The team has arguably lacked a stable foundation of players that fit a certain mold.

That said, there are very few examples of teams that win titles, or even go especially far in the playoffs, based on a strong culture or having a deep roster of scrappy role players. 
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Hopefully his philosophy is "gather three All-NBA level players, and surround them with good role players".

Because, that's the model that wins in the NBA.  The system really doesn't matter all that much.

Yes as Brad said there's many different ways to play. The point is to find a system that gets everyone playing at their best. Too often fans gets stuck to "the best way" to play, either because it's enjoyable for them to watch aesthetically or because the team used it x number of years ago successfully.

Find a coach with a certain playing philosophy and equip him with players that fit that style. Or, if you have players that thrive in a certain style, find a coach and a system that will make them successful.
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