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Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #240 on: June 02, 2021, 02:27:07 PM »

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Celtics Press conference today. Wyc, Steve, Danny, Brad.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=41bphlCRwng
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Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #241 on: June 02, 2021, 02:33:04 PM »

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Tony Massarotti just said Ainge recently bought property in Utah. Interesting.

Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

Can he get a job anywhere else? He certainly knows the job. But the SJWs are out for blood ever since Kyrie opened his yap, and he might be a target for canceling now.

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #242 on: June 02, 2021, 02:40:42 PM »

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It's 2:30pm EST and I am just learning about all of this. Holy moly.

I am really curious to read the articles that come out explaining what really happened behind the scenes. My guess is:

1) Ainge has been thinking of stepping down for a while now, especially given his heart troubles.
2) Stevens was exhausted and wanted out, and the team was open to the idea. His transition to Ainge's old seat is being billed as a promotion, but it's really that Brad has time left on his deal and the Celtics want him to stay on to help with the transition and project the image of stability. There is no way that Stevens is permanently retiring from coaching at the age of 44.

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #243 on: June 02, 2021, 02:43:26 PM »

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Tony Massarotti just said Ainge recently bought property in Utah. Interesting.

Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

Can he get a job anywhere else? He certainly knows the job. But the SJWs are out for blood ever since Kyrie opened his yap, and he might be a target for canceling now.

Hayward was totally not Danny's fault, but Danny did trade for Irving, which in retrospect was a horrible decision, and continues to be horrible because of Kyrie's smearing of Boston.
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Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #244 on: June 02, 2021, 02:44:42 PM »

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Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

The Hayward injury was brutal.  Sucks that we never got a healthy Hayward playoff run the entire time he was here.

Also, just missing out in Durant during his first free agency was tough.  All reports seemed to say he was very, very interested.  If Golden State had won the title in 2016, there's a solid chance Durant signs here and our future looks a lot different.

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #245 on: June 02, 2021, 02:54:44 PM »

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Tony Massarotti just said Ainge recently bought property in Utah. Interesting.

Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

Can he get a job anywhere else? He certainly knows the job. But the SJWs are out for blood ever since Kyrie opened his yap, and he might be a target for canceling now.

Hayward was totally not Danny's fault, but Danny did trade for Irving, which in retrospect was a horrible decision, and continues to be horrible because of Kyrie's smearing of Boston.

What was weird about that trade is early on in his tenure there were stories about how he had a brain doctor on staff who looked at personalities and how players were mentally "built" and worked hard to combine the right kind of players with certain characteristics. 

Whether this brain doctor was still on staff at the time of the trade is beyond the point but needless to say Ainge was into that kind of analysis.  How he decided that Kyrie was a good fit here is really odd.

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #246 on: June 02, 2021, 03:00:03 PM »

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Tony Massarotti just said Ainge recently bought property in Utah. Interesting.

Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

Can he get a job anywhere else? He certainly knows the job. But the SJWs are out for blood ever since Kyrie opened his yap, and he might be a target for canceling now.

Hayward was totally not Danny's fault, but Danny did trade for Irving, which in retrospect was a horrible decision, and continues to be horrible because of Kyrie's smearing of Boston.

What was weird about that trade is early on in his tenure there were stories about how he had a brain doctor on staff who looked at personalities and how players were mentally "built" and worked hard to combine the right kind of players with certain characteristics. 

Whether this brain doctor was still on staff at the time of the trade is beyond the point but needless to say Ainge was into that kind of analysis.  How he decided that Kyrie was a good fit here is really odd.

My guess?  He assumed that there was little risk, because it was extremely unlikely that Kyrie would walk in his first two years.  Worst realistic scenario, we sign him to a five year deal and trade him at some point thereafter.

Oops.


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Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #247 on: June 02, 2021, 03:00:18 PM »

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Tony Massarotti just said Ainge recently bought property in Utah. Interesting.

Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

Can he get a job anywhere else? He certainly knows the job. But the SJWs are out for blood ever since Kyrie opened his yap, and he might be a target for canceling now.

Hayward was totally not Danny's fault, but Danny did trade for Irving, which in retrospect was a horrible decision, and continues to be horrible because of Kyrie's smearing of Boston.


Yeah that was just a horrible summer / fall for Boston.  Irving was an understandable gamble that failed miserably.  Hayward broke his ankle and was a disappointment from that point on.
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Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #248 on: June 02, 2021, 03:01:32 PM »

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Tony Massarotti just said Ainge recently bought property in Utah. Interesting.

Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

Can he get a job anywhere else? He certainly knows the job. But the SJWs are out for blood ever since Kyrie opened his yap, and he might be a target for canceling now.

Hayward was totally not Danny's fault, but Danny did trade for Irving, which in retrospect was a horrible decision, and continues to be horrible because of Kyrie's smearing of Boston.

What was weird about that trade is early on in his tenure there were stories about how he had a brain doctor on staff who looked at personalities and how players were mentally "built" and worked hard to combine the right kind of players with certain characteristics. 

Whether this brain doctor was still on staff at the time of the trade is beyond the point but needless to say Ainge was into that kind of analysis.  How he decided that Kyrie was a good fit here is really odd.

My guess?  He assumed that there was little risk, because it was extremely unlikely that Kyrie would walk in his first two years.  Worst realistic scenario, we sign him to a five year deal and trade him at some point thereafter.

Oops.


I think Ainge was expecting that Kyrie would enjoy being "the man" on his own team, and then would recruit other players to come join him.  He was banking on the cache that Kyrie had with other players around the league. 


Unfortunately, Ainge was right about Kyrie's ability to recruit others and wrong about Kyrie wanting to do it in Boston.
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Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #249 on: June 02, 2021, 03:08:15 PM »

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Tony Massarotti just said Ainge recently bought property in Utah. Interesting.

Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

Can he get a job anywhere else? He certainly knows the job. But the SJWs are out for blood ever since Kyrie opened his yap, and he might be a target for canceling now.

Hayward was totally not Danny's fault, but Danny did trade for Irving, which in retrospect was a horrible decision, and continues to be horrible because of Kyrie's smearing of Boston.

What was weird about that trade is early on in his tenure there were stories about how he had a brain doctor on staff who looked at personalities and how players were mentally "built" and worked hard to combine the right kind of players with certain characteristics. 

Whether this brain doctor was still on staff at the time of the trade is beyond the point but needless to say Ainge was into that kind of analysis.  How he decided that Kyrie was a good fit here is really odd.

My guess?  He assumed that there was little risk, because it was extremely unlikely that Kyrie would walk in his first two years.  Worst realistic scenario, we sign him to a five year deal and trade him at some point thereafter.

Oops.


I think Ainge was expecting that Kyrie would enjoy being "the man" on his own team, and then would recruit other players to come join him.  He was banking on the cache that Kyrie had with other players around the league. 


Unfortunately, Ainge was right about Kyrie's ability to recruit others and wrong about Kyrie wanting to do it in Boston.

Agree with part 1. Disagree with part 2. There was an unwritten agreement that Ainge reneged on.

Ainge was right about Kyrie's ability (and desire) to recruit other vets. Kyrie was wrong about Ainge's willingness to follow through. When Kyrie realized Ainge wasn't trading youth for his vet buddies he bolted to a team who would.

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #250 on: June 02, 2021, 03:11:34 PM »

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Tony Massarotti just said Ainge recently bought property in Utah. Interesting.

Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

Can he get a job anywhere else? He certainly knows the job. But the SJWs are out for blood ever since Kyrie opened his yap, and he might be a target for canceling now.

Hayward was totally not Danny's fault, but Danny did trade for Irving, which in retrospect was a horrible decision, and continues to be horrible because of Kyrie's smearing of Boston.

What was weird about that trade is early on in his tenure there were stories about how he had a brain doctor on staff who looked at personalities and how players were mentally "built" and worked hard to combine the right kind of players with certain characteristics. 

Whether this brain doctor was still on staff at the time of the trade is beyond the point but needless to say Ainge was into that kind of analysis.  How he decided that Kyrie was a good fit here is really odd.

My guess?  He assumed that there was little risk, because it was extremely unlikely that Kyrie would walk in his first two years.  Worst realistic scenario, we sign him to a five year deal and trade him at some point thereafter.

Oops.


I think Ainge was expecting that Kyrie would enjoy being "the man" on his own team, and then would recruit other players to come join him.  He was banking on the cache that Kyrie had with other players around the league. 


Unfortunately, Ainge was right about Kyrie's ability to recruit others and wrong about Kyrie wanting to do it in Boston.

Agree with part 1. Disagree with part 2. There was an unwritten agreement that Ainge reneged on.

Ainge was right about Kyrie's ability (and desire) to recruit other vets. Kyrie was wrong about Ainge's willingness to follow through. When Kyrie realized Ainge wasn't trading youth for his vet buddies he bolted to a team who would.
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Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #251 on: June 02, 2021, 03:14:57 PM »

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Celtics Press conference from today. Wyc, Steve, Danny, Brad.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=41bphlCRwng


Reporter asks Brad if he considered being both the coach and GM. Danny responds, “I told him a few days ago that if he doesn’t find someone good he will be doing both.”   :laugh:

I’m going to miss Danny. I will always be grateful for the 2008 championship team that he put together and for him making the right calls on Jaylen and Jayson.
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Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #252 on: June 02, 2021, 03:16:58 PM »

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Tony Massarotti just said Ainge recently bought property in Utah. Interesting.

Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

Can he get a job anywhere else? He certainly knows the job. But the SJWs are out for blood ever since Kyrie opened his yap, and he might be a target for canceling now.

Hayward was totally not Danny's fault, but Danny did trade for Irving, which in retrospect was a horrible decision, and continues to be horrible because of Kyrie's smearing of Boston.

What was weird about that trade is early on in his tenure there were stories about how he had a brain doctor on staff who looked at personalities and how players were mentally "built" and worked hard to combine the right kind of players with certain characteristics. 

Whether this brain doctor was still on staff at the time of the trade is beyond the point but needless to say Ainge was into that kind of analysis.  How he decided that Kyrie was a good fit here is really odd.

My guess?  He assumed that there was little risk, because it was extremely unlikely that Kyrie would walk in his first two years.  Worst realistic scenario, we sign him to a five year deal and trade him at some point thereafter.

Oops.


I think Ainge was expecting that Kyrie would enjoy being "the man" on his own team, and then would recruit other players to come join him.  He was banking on the cache that Kyrie had with other players around the league. 


Unfortunately, Ainge was right about Kyrie's ability to recruit others and wrong about Kyrie wanting to do it in Boston.

Agree with part 1. Disagree with part 2. There was an unwritten agreement that Ainge reneged on.

Ainge was right about Kyrie's ability (and desire) to recruit other vets. Kyrie was wrong about Ainge's willingness to follow through. When Kyrie realized Ainge wasn't trading youth for his vet buddies he bolted to a team who would.

I could see this happening. I still think something happened behind the scenes that we don't know about. This was the scenario I have pictured, where Danny promised Kyrie he would have input on team building, but when Kyrie approached him with ideas, Danny wouldn't listen. Maybe Danny had an attitude of I'll pick the players, and you dribble, which could be why Kyrie has such a hatred toward the team.

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #253 on: June 02, 2021, 03:23:47 PM »

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I can't see Choir Boy Brad being cut-throat and becoming a manipulating schemer like Danny had to dealing with other Teams or Players, he'll be soft there too. To me, it's all about Wic's Benjamin's why he's staying. He should be gone too. As I said before, Brad needs to go back to College where he has some influence. The Duke job does makes sense though. He should take a long Vacation till Duke comes a calling. IMO   

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #254 on: June 02, 2021, 03:24:16 PM »

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Tony Massarotti just said Ainge recently bought property in Utah. Interesting.

Feel bad for Ainge. He did an otherworldly job rebuilding after the KG era. But the Hayward injury really, really torpedoed the team. And he likely gets credit for at least one more title if not for the league protecting the Lakers and LeBron.

Can he get a job anywhere else? He certainly knows the job. But the SJWs are out for blood ever since Kyrie opened his yap, and he might be a target for canceling now.

Hayward was totally not Danny's fault, but Danny did trade for Irving, which in retrospect was a horrible decision, and continues to be horrible because of Kyrie's smearing of Boston.

What was weird about that trade is early on in his tenure there were stories about how he had a brain doctor on staff who looked at personalities and how players were mentally "built" and worked hard to combine the right kind of players with certain characteristics. 

Whether this brain doctor was still on staff at the time of the trade is beyond the point but needless to say Ainge was into that kind of analysis.  How he decided that Kyrie was a good fit here is really odd.

My guess?  He assumed that there was little risk, because it was extremely unlikely that Kyrie would walk in his first two years.  Worst realistic scenario, we sign him to a five year deal and trade him at some point thereafter.

Oops.


I think Ainge was expecting that Kyrie would enjoy being "the man" on his own team, and then would recruit other players to come join him.  He was banking on the cache that Kyrie had with other players around the league. 


Unfortunately, Ainge was right about Kyrie's ability to recruit others and wrong about Kyrie wanting to do it in Boston.

Agree with part 1. Disagree with part 2. There was an unwritten agreement that Ainge reneged on.

Ainge was right about Kyrie's ability (and desire) to recruit other vets. Kyrie was wrong about Ainge's willingness to follow through. When Kyrie realized Ainge wasn't trading youth for his vet buddies he bolted to a team who would.

I could see this happening. I still think something happened behind the scenes that we don't know about. This was the scenario I have pictured, where Danny promised Kyrie he would have input on team building, but when Kyrie approached him with ideas, Danny wouldn't listen. Maybe Danny had an attitude of I'll pick the players, and you dribble, which could be why Kyrie has such a hatred toward the team.

I just think Kyrie was going wherever his buddy was going. He folded under the pressure of Boston and went somewhere he could be more “happy”