Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach

[Ogaju]

Stephen A Smith apparently blasts Celts for not hiring a non white GM.

He was incorrect about Nash hiring btw. Non white coaches have been hired without coaching experience

https://youtu.be/I3Bhk7fel-M

SAS=Idiot

Eh. He has a point. He also didn't hesitate to call out big name players like Lebron, Durant, Kyrie, and the Jays for not advocating more for black coaches.

That said, Brad has been with the franchise for 8 years. Internal promotions happen across industries so I don't find his new role all that egregious. The coaching search has to be 100% transparent though.

Why should Celtics hire a non white GM when they promoted from within...it is nonsense. If they do not consider minorities in the coaching search then I would agree, but this move was an internal move. What did SAS say about Kyrie disrespecting the logo, yeah NOTHING.

[SDceltGuy]

Stephen A Smith apparently blasts Celts for not hiring a non white GM.

He was incorrect about Nash hiring btw. Non white coaches have been hired without coaching experience

https://youtu.be/I3Bhk7fel-M

SAS=Idiot

Eh. He has a point. He also didn't hesitate to call out big name players like Lebron, Durant, Kyrie, and the Jays for not advocating more for black coaches.

That said, Brad has been with the franchise for 8 years. Internal promotions happen across industries so I don't find his new role all that egregious. The coaching search has to be 100% transparent though.

Everything has to be about race all of the time.  What a waste of time and energy.   

[CelticSooner]

Stephen A Smith apparently blasts Celts for not hiring a non white GM.

He was incorrect about Nash hiring btw. Non white coaches have been hired without coaching experience

https://youtu.be/I3Bhk7fel-M

I wish we'd hired somebody with proven experience.  Ujiri seemed like the best available candidate.

But, he would have cost a lot, and he would have eventually wanted to fire Brad, which would cost a lot.  So Wyc decided to hire a guy who was burnt out and has no executive experience.

I mean, it's laughable:  Wyc cited Brad's ability to recruit at Butler as evidence that he'll be a good executive.

At some point the question has to be asked? Is Wyc too cheap as an owner?

Be serious. He also said that coach and GM are two separate positions in Boston.

I am serious. I expect the Boston Celtics to go out and try to get the most qualified man for any job. I’m sorry but Brad Stevens ain’t it. I loved the forward thinking when he was named HC but this reeks of fear.

I just don't see how this equates to being cheap. Any coach you bring is likely going to cost less per year than Brad was making.

I’m talking about poaching someone like Masai compared to just changing Stevens job title. The next few years a qualified GM is more important than a coach. The roster reconstruction will not be easy.

[Tr1boy]

Scal says Kara Lawson could be the next HC.

I'm just wondering - say you hire a female head coach. And say a veteran player like Marcus Morris or Rondo - someone with a fuse, blows a gasket and confronts the coach. The PR hit from that would be awful.

You're opening yourself up to that by hiring a female head coach.

Interesting

[Roy H.]

Stephen A Smith apparently blasts Celts for not hiring a non white GM.

He was incorrect about Nash hiring btw. Non white coaches have been hired without coaching experience

https://youtu.be/I3Bhk7fel-M

I wish we'd hired somebody with proven experience.  Ujiri seemed like the best available candidate.

But, he would have cost a lot, and he would have eventually wanted to fire Brad, which would cost a lot.  So Wyc decided to hire a guy who was burnt out and has no executive experience.

I mean, it's laughable:  Wyc cited Brad's ability to recruit at Butler as evidence that he'll be a good executive.

At some point the question has to be asked? Is Wyc too cheap as an owner?

Be serious. He also said that coach and GM are two separate positions in Boston.

I am serious. I expect the Boston Celtics to go out and try to get the most qualified man for any job. I’m sorry but Brad Stevens ain’t it. I loved the forward thinking when he was named HC but this reeks of fear.

I just don't see how this equates to being cheap. Any coach you bring is likely going to cost less per year than Brad was making.

I think I explained it above.

Let's say we hired Ujiri.  He's going to cost a lot.  Then, because GMs inevitably want to hire their own guy, Brad would be fired at some point, leaving us on the hook for his salary, plus whatever the new coach makes.

[Kuberski33]

Stephen A Smith apparently blasts Celts for not hiring a non white GM.

He was incorrect about Nash hiring btw. Non white coaches have been hired without coaching experience

https://youtu.be/I3Bhk7fel-M

I wish we'd hired somebody with proven experience.  Ujiri seemed like the best available candidate.

But, he would have cost a lot, and he would have eventually wanted to fire Brad, which would cost a lot.  So Wyc decided to hire a guy who was burnt out and has no executive experience.

I mean, it's laughable:  Wyc cited Brad's ability to recruit at Butler as evidence that he'll be a good executive.

At some point the question has to be asked? Is Wyc too cheap as an owner?

Be serious. He also said that coach and GM are two separate positions in Boston.

I am serious. I expect the Boston Celtics to go out and try to get the most qualified man for any job. I’m sorry but Brad Stevens ain’t it. I loved the forward thinking when he was named HC but this reeks of fear.

I just don't see how this equates to being cheap. Any coach you bring is likely going to cost less per year than Brad was making.

I think I explained it above.

Let's say we hired Ujiri.  He's going to cost a lot.  Then, because GMs inevitably want to hire their own guy, Brad would be fired at some point, leaving us on the hook for his salary, plus whatever the new coach makes.

You also lost 40% of your revenue due to the pandemic. That impacts any business. Accounting for that isn't necessarily being cheap.

[colincb]

To me the most interesting comments were ownership and Ainge saying leaving was his decision - and Ainge not ruling out a return with another team.

He just said he doesn't see himself in the same role elsewhere in an interview he's doing right now with NBC Sports Boston.

[Roy H.]

Scal says Kara Lawson could be the next HC.

I'm just wondering - say you hire a female head coach. And say a veteran player like Marcus Morris or Rondo - someone with a fuse, blows a gasket and confronts the coach. The PR hit from that would be awful.

You're opening yourself up to that by hiring a female head coach.

Eh.  Any PR hit would be from sexist attitudes that women can't stand up for themselves.

That said, I do think there's plenty of sexism out there.  I'd be more worried about sexism from our players and free agents.  These guys have giant egos.  At least some of them are going to feel disrespected being ordered around by a woman, similar to -- but worse than -- the situation where players bristle playing for a guy who never played.

[Rondo9]

This smacks of desperation.


The only way this all makes sense is if they're planning a total reconstruction of the team this off-season.

Tatum, Brown .... they'll probably still be here in 6 months.

Anybody else?  I wouldn't bet on it.

I'm doubtful anything will change THAT much, It seemed that this was planned months in advance.

[Kernewek]

Scal says Kara Lawson could be the next HC.

I'm just wondering - say you hire a female head coach. And say a veteran player like Marcus Morris or Rondo - someone with a fuse, blows a gasket and confronts the coach. The PR hit from that would be awful.

You're opening yourself up to that by hiring a female head coach.

Interesting

As our steadfastly traditional Muzzy said above, if she's the best head coach available, who cares?

If you don't want to hire the best candidate because of a hypothetical that might not play well for six weeks of bloviating from the semi-conscious detritus also known as Boston sports media, you shouldn't be in the position of general manager.

[Ogaju]

Scal says Kara Lawson could be the next HC.

I'm just wondering - say you hire a female head coach. And say a veteran player like Marcus Morris or Rondo - someone with a fuse, blows a gasket and confronts the coach. The PR hit from that would be awful.

You're opening yourself up to that by hiring a female head coach.

Let me see, women run corporations run countries serve in command positions in the military etc etc..I am sure they can tell some men how to put the ball in a hoop. Geeze.

[Kuberski33]

Scal says Kara Lawson could be the next HC.

I'm just wondering - say you hire a female head coach. And say a veteran player like Marcus Morris or Rondo - someone with a fuse, blows a gasket and confronts the coach. The PR hit from that would be awful.

You're opening yourself up to that by hiring a female head coach.

Eh.  Any PR hit would be from sexist attitudes that women can't stand up for themselves.

That said, I do think there's plenty of sexism out there.  I'd be more worried about sexism from our players and free agents.  These guys have giant egos.  At least some of them are going to feel disrespected being ordered around by a woman, similar to -- but worse than -- the situation where players bristle playing for a guy who never played.

That too. Keep in mind there's a huge difference between an assistant and the one who controls your playing time and potentially your livelihood. I'm not saying someone like Lawson couldn't do the job, but there's a lot that could go wrong. Say you lose 15 out of 20, the team is listless and fans are screaming to fire the coach - and you do it. There's going to be backlash - from lots of folks outside of basketball.

If you're going down that road you need to be 100% on board with the candidate and be ready to handle the backlash if things don't go right.  You're also talking about a job that a lot of people around the NBA - some currently under contract - are going to be very interested in pursuing. 

I'm just saying it would be a lot easier to not go that route than to actually do it.

[PhoSita]

The "what happens if the players don't like being told what to do by a woman?" thing is the same type of argument that's been used to deny women leadership positions from time immemorial.

It's not a good look.

[colincb]

Stephen A Smith apparently blasts Celts for not hiring a non white GM.

He was incorrect about Nash hiring btw. Non white coaches have been hired without coaching experience

https://youtu.be/I3Bhk7fel-M

I wish we'd hired somebody with proven experience.  Ujiri seemed like the best available candidate.

But, he would have cost a lot, and he would have eventually wanted to fire Brad, which would cost a lot.  So Wyc decided to hire a guy who was burnt out and has no executive experience.

I mean, it's laughable:  Wyc cited Brad's ability to recruit at Butler as evidence that he'll be a good executive.

At some point the question has to be asked? Is Wyc too cheap as an owner?

Be serious. He also said that coach and GM are two separate positions in Boston.

I am serious. I expect the Boston Celtics to go out and try to get the most qualified man for any job. I’m sorry but Brad Stevens ain’t it. I loved the forward thinking when he was named HC but this reeks of fear.

I just don't see how this equates to being cheap. Any coach you bring is likely going to cost less per year than Brad was making.

I think I explained it above.

Let's say we hired Ujiri.  He's going to cost a lot.  Then, because GMs inevitably want to hire their own guy, Brad would be fired at some point, leaving us on the hook for his salary, plus whatever the new coach makes.

You also lost 40% of your revenue due to the pandemic. That impacts any business. Accounting for that isn't necessarily being cheap.

I doubt that money had much to do with it. The value of the franchise would continue to grow at a very healthy rate regardless of the HC and GM.

[gift]

Honestly, I don't doubt that Brad might pull a Popovich and step back in to a coaching role in a couple of years when the team is ready to really compete. This might be a move to hold on to Brad, not just for the front office, but as a coach in the future.

Maybe he's burnt out coaching so many young players every year, but probably will want to coach again in the future.