Would you make this trade?

[nickagneta]

I've been thinking about this option too.  Someone stated that Wall and Kemba are the same caliber of defender, and i disagree.  Wall is 6'3" with a 6'9" wingspan.  Kemba doesn't come close to this.  When those Wizards teams were in the playoffs Wall was a great perimeter defender.  I would miss Kemba's shooting, but I think Wall's defense, passing, and penetration skills would give him the nod.  It would be a gamble, but it's one i would take.

Just because he is taller and longer doesn't make him a better defender. Look at the advanced stats and my guess is they will show Kemba a better defender

[Roy H.]

No...same player.

^ this.

Injuries and all.

Can't we grab D.Rose on the cheap instead? I feel he's the same player too, but cheaper, no? I'd rather have that. More upside.

I advocated for him at the time of the Knicks trade.  I thought that he would be an awesome low cost option. My guess, though, is that rose preferred New York and that Detroit accommodated him.

[Roy H.]

I've been thinking about this option too.  Someone stated that Wall and Kemba are the same caliber of defender, and i disagree.  Wall is 6'3" with a 6'9" wingspan.  Kemba doesn't come close to this.  When those Wizards teams were in the playoffs Wall was a great perimeter defender.  I would miss Kemba's shooting, but I think Wall's defense, passing, and penetration skills would give him the nod.  It would be a gamble, but it's one i would take.

Just because he is taller and longer doesn't make him a better defender. Look at the advanced stats and my guess is they will show Kemba a better defender

Advanced defensive stats can be tricky, just because Wall was on such a lousy team.

Traditionally, he has been a good to very good defender.  That said, I’m not sure that he is worth the injury risk, which is even more severe than Kemba’s.

[gouki88]

Wall makes almost 10 million more per year. That alone seems like a difficult thing to accept.

He's also been even less reliable physically, but assuming he could come back and play roughly as much as Kemba, he would be a better fit.

The on court comparisons here are a bit off. He has always been a plus defender and he's big and physical, so he'd almost certainly be a major upgrade on defense. He isn't much of a 3 point shooter so that would be a negative, but he's a dramatically better passer. He's always been a significantly better player than Kemba. But given his massive contract, it likely would be a no.

Did you watch Wall in Houston this year? Terrible defensively. Advanced metrics like DRaptor and DBPM support him being worse than Kemba on that end. 40% from the field and 29% from 3 is hard to swallow too.

His penetration and playmaking would be welcome though. He also might play better defence on a functional team, lol.

[Celtics4ever]

Wall is bigger and a better athlete.  Those things matter in some aspects of the game.

Can he play more back to backs?

[Kiorrik]

Wall is bigger and a better athlete.  Those things matter in some aspects of the game.

Can he play more back to backs?

Fair, but he shoots lower %es. Heck, he shoots slightly worse from 3 than Smart does.

Dunno if that's what we need :]

[Goldstar88]

Nah, Wall is a worse shooter and defender than Kemba

Worse shooter, but he’s a much better passer and there’s no way he’s worse defensively. Miami’s offensive strategy against Boston was literally to just go at Kemba on every possession since he couldn’t stop anyone. And it worked... the only other C’s player I’ve seen a team do that to was IT.

[Kiorrik]

Nah, Wall is a worse shooter and defender than Kemba

Worse shooter, but he’s a much better passer and there’s no way he’s worse defensively. Miami’s offensive strategy against Boston was literally to just go at Kemba on every possession since he couldn’t stop anyone. And it worked... the only other C’s player I’ve seen a team do that to was IT.

This actually convinced me :] TP!

[johnnygreen]

When it comes to the ability to trade Kemba, this seems like a legit option. Let’s face it, Kemba is basically a negative asset at this point, due to his injury history and contract (same as Wall). The biggest draw-back to Wall is his contract. As far as Kemba, there is zero chance he doesn’t pick up his option, as he will never make that kind of money again.

Is the idea that Kemba is a better defender, strictly relying on his willingness to take charges? Other than that, Kemba is a black hole, where teams constantly try to take advantage of him and puts pressure on the rest of the Celtics defenders. When it came time for the playoffs, teams were focusing on attacking Kemba.

How would the offense be different with Wall is my question. Will he create offense, and prevent the constant one on one trips from Tatum and Brown?

[Goldstar88]

Wall makes almost 10 million more per year. That alone seems like a difficult thing to accept.

He's also been even less reliable physically, but assuming he could come back and play roughly as much as Kemba, he would be a better fit.

The on court comparisons here are a bit off. He has always been a plus defender and he's big and physical, so he'd almost certainly be a major upgrade on defense. He isn't much of a 3 point shooter so that would be a negative, but he's a dramatically better passer. He's always been a significantly better player than Kemba. But given his massive contract, it likely would be a no.

$8M more per year. If the C’s include Grant and Edwards, that gets about $4M off the books. Then cut Tacko and Waters...  about another $1M+ saved... a lot of deadweight on this team...

[LilRip]

I don’t know how the trade will work because Wall makes significantly more but assuming it does, we’ll be getting a significantly different player from Kemba. I don’t know how people could see them and think they’re the same player (injuries aside).

- Kemba’s a microwave scorer vs Wall is a transition terror
- Kemba’s an undersized defender vs Wall is a big PG and a strong individual defender
- Kemba’s at his best thinking score first vs Wall is at his best when he’s creating for others
- Kemba’s is deadly with PnR threes vs Wall isn’t a good shooter

Granted, I didn’t watch Wall in Houston so I’m going off of older memories. It would definitely shake up the roster, although I don’t know if it’s for the better. Because Wall is more of a facilitator, I’m thinking it’s possible that it’s a good thing. Although I do shudder at Wall and Smart sharing the floor.

[LilRip]

When it comes to the ability to trade Kemba, this seems like a legit option. Let’s face it, Kemba is basically a negative asset at this point, due to his injury history and contract (same as Wall). The biggest draw-back to Wall is his contract. As far as Kemba, there is zero chance he doesn’t pick up his option, as he will never make that kind of money again.

Is the idea that Kemba is a better defender, strictly relying on his willingness to take charges? Other than that, Kemba is a black hole, where teams constantly try to take advantage of him and puts pressure on the rest of the Celtics defenders. When it came time for the playoffs, teams were focusing on attacking Kemba.

How would the offense be different with Wall is my question. Will he create offense, and prevent the constant one on one trips from Tatum and Brown?

He should be able to create offense. Although the question I have on my mind is, will his inability to shoot actually hurt the team more?

Now, if Wall has developed a shot over the course of his long hiatus, that’s a different matter. I mean, D-rose has developed a shot despite coming in as a slashing PG

[Goldstar88]

Wall is bigger and a better athlete.  Those things matter in some aspects of the game.

Can he play more back to backs?

Fair, but he shoots lower %es. Heck, he shoots slightly worse from 3 than Smart does.

Dunno if that's what we need :]

He shouldn’t be shooting many 3’s and he doesn’t have an issue passing the ball unlike Smart and Kemba. Wall has had seasons where he averaged nearly 11 assists per game... If he’s starting with Brown, Fournier and Tatum he can focus on midrange shots and driving/kicking the ball to open shooters. Wouldn’t that be a sight..

[Kiorrik]

Wall is bigger and a better athlete.  Those things matter in some aspects of the game.

Can he play more back to backs?

Fair, but he shoots lower %es. Heck, he shoots slightly worse from 3 than Smart does.

Dunno if that's what we need :]

He shouldn’t be shooting many 3’s and he doesn’t have an issue passing the ball unlike Smart and Kemba. Wall has had seasons where he averaged nearly 11 assists per game... If he’s starting with Brown, Fournier and Tatum he can focus on midrange shots and driving/kicking the ball to open shooters. Wouldn’t that be a sight..

Sure would be.

And maybe then we could ALSO get Rondo/D.Rose from the bench.

lol sorry :')

[Goldstar88]

Nah, Wall is a worse shooter and defender than Kemba

Worse shooter, but he’s a much better passer and there’s no way he’s worse defensively. Miami’s offensive strategy against Boston was literally to just go at Kemba on every possession since he couldn’t stop anyone. And it worked... the only other C’s player I’ve seen a team do that to was IT.

This actually convinced me :] TP!

It was absolutely torture to watch and there was nothing the C’s could do to stop it, other than take Kemba out of the game. You double and then Duncan, Herro, Dragic, etc are getting wide open 3’s. Spolestra completely exposed the C’s defensively. Can’t go through another season of that.