Langford and Nesmith roles with the team

[Tr1boy]

What do expect from each going forward?

I must admit that their shooting or lack of accuracy has been a disappointment. 

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

Not sure how he shot so well in college, but his jump shot needs work imo. Its like a laser.  Like shotput style shooting

Not even sure what to say about Langford shooting..

Do you have faith that these two former lotto picks will be consistent contributers off the bench?

[Walker Wiggle]

What do expect from each going forward?

I must admit that their shooting or lack of accuracy has been a disappointment. 

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

Not sure how he shot so well in college, but his jump shot needs work imo. Its like a laser.  Like shotput style shooting

Not even sure what to say about Langford shooting..

Do you have faith that these two former lotto picks will be consistent contributers off the bench?

Thanks for starting this thread.

Nesmith: 37% 3pt shooting as a rookie. I would say that's pretty good, especially in a season with, like, no practices. I wasn't expecting to hit half of his threes his rookie year, and no one else should have either.

The real encouraging thing about these two guys is that they both already look like big, athletic, long wing defenders. THAT IS VERY VALUABLE IN THE NBA. Hence the fact that they are already getting minutes at a young age. Let's see what happens over the next 2-3 years, but if you're a hardworking athletic big wing who can defend, your "floor" is already pretty high.

[nyceltsfan]

What do expect from each going forward?

I must admit that their shooting or lack of accuracy has been a disappointment. 

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

Not sure how he shot so well in college, but his jump shot needs work imo. Its like a laser.  Like shotput style shooting

Not even sure what to say about Langford shooting..

Do you have faith that these two former lotto picks will be consistent contributers off the bench?

I'm sick of Danny drafting supposed shooters who can't shoot.  Edwards, Langford and Nesmith are all disappointments.  How much better would we be with Thybulle (who also cannot shoot) than Edwards?  How much better would we be if we kept Bane?

I think the shooting woes are a reason that Danny took all those defensive, tough players year after year.  That skill is predictable, while shooting is not.

[Walker Wiggle]

What do expect from each going forward?

I must admit that their shooting or lack of accuracy has been a disappointment. 

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

Not sure how he shot so well in college, but his jump shot needs work imo. Its like a laser.  Like shotput style shooting

Not even sure what to say about Langford shooting..

Do you have faith that these two former lotto picks will be consistent contributers off the bench?

I'm sick of Danny drafting supposed shooters who can't shoot.  Edwards, Langford and Nesmith are all disappointments.  How much better would we be with Thybulle (who also cannot shoot) than Edwards?  How much better would we be if we kept Bane?

I think the shooting woes are a reason that Danny took all those defensive, tough players year after year.  That skill is predictable, while shooting is not.

Again, Nesmith shot 37% from 3 this year. That's Larry Bird's career 3pt percentage. And Nesmith was much better as the season went on. By no means should we be concluding that Danny drafted a guy "who can't shoot", especially at age 21. Same goes for Langford, but especially for Nesmith.

Keep in mind that when Brown was drafted, outside shooting was seen as the hole in his game. As a rookie he shot 34% from 3. He worked on it and this past season he shot 40%. These dudes are not finished products in their early 20s.

[Tr1boy]

What do expect from each going forward?

I must admit that their shooting or lack of accuracy has been a disappointment. 

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

Not sure how he shot so well in college, but his jump shot needs work imo. Its like a laser.  Like shotput style shooting

Not even sure what to say about Langford shooting..

Do you have faith that these two former lotto picks will be consistent contributers off the bench?

I'm sick of Danny drafting supposed shooters who can't shoot.  Edwards, Langford and Nesmith are all disappointments.  How much better would we be with Thybulle (who also cannot shoot) than Edwards?  How much better would we be if we kept Bane?

I think the shooting woes are a reason that Danny took all those defensive, tough players year after year.  That skill is predictable, while shooting is not.

Agreed

One would think it would be wiser to draft the skill first and work on the other aspects

Joe Harris is a good example

Bane is shooting the 3 at 43 percent. 

[RJ87]

What do expect from each going forward?

I must admit that their shooting or lack of accuracy has been a disappointment. 

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

Not sure how he shot so well in college, but his jump shot needs work imo. Its like a laser.  Like shotput style shooting

Not even sure what to say about Langford shooting..

Do you have faith that these two former lotto picks will be consistent contributers off the bench?

Thanks for starting this thread.

Nesmith: 37% 3pt shooting as a rookie. I would say that's pretty good, especially in a season with, like, no practices. I wasn't expecting to hit half of his threes his rookie year, and no one else should have either.

The real encouraging thing about these two guys is that they both already look like big, athletic, long wing defenders. THAT IS VERY VALUABLE IN THE NBA. Hence the fact that they are already getting minutes at a young age. Let's see what happens over the next 2-3 years, but if you're a hardworking athletic big wing who can defend, your "floor" is already pretty high.

I'm really high on Nesmith still. I think it's yet another case of expectations vs. reality that this board is becoming notorious for. There were posters who legit thought Nesmith would be in the starting rotation opening night even thought he missed a big chunk of his final college season due to injury, had no summer league and a shortened training camp and preseason. Post All-Star break, he shot 46% from the field and 38% from 3. It think that's more indicative of what he's going to be down the line.

[CFAN38]

What do expect from each going forward?

I must admit that their shooting or lack of accuracy has been a disappointment. 

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

Not sure how he shot so well in college, but his jump shot needs work imo. Its like a laser.  Like shotput style shooting

Not even sure what to say about Langford shooting..

Do you have faith that these two former lotto picks will be consistent contributers off the bench?

I'm sick of Danny drafting supposed shooters who can't shoot.  Edwards, Langford and Nesmith are all disappointments.  How much better would we be with Thybulle (who also cannot shoot) than Edwards?  How much better would we be if we kept Bane?

I think the shooting woes are a reason that Danny took all those defensive, tough players year after year.  That skill is predictable, while shooting is not.

RJ Hunter before that

[liam]

What do expect from each going forward?

I must admit that their shooting or lack of accuracy has been a disappointment. 

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

Not sure how he shot so well in college, but his jump shot needs work imo. Its like a laser.  Like shotput style shooting

Not even sure what to say about Langford shooting..

Do you have faith that these two former lotto picks will be consistent contributers off the bench?

I'm sick of Danny drafting supposed shooters who can't shoot.  Edwards, Langford and Nesmith are all disappointments.  How much better would we be with Thybulle (who also cannot shoot) than Edwards?  How much better would we be if we kept Bane?

I think the shooting woes are a reason that Danny took all those defensive, tough players year after year.  That skill is predictable, while shooting is not.

Agreed

One would think it would be wiser to draft the skill first and work on the other aspects

Joe Harris is a good example

Bane is shooting the 3 at 43 percent. 

BANE!!!!

[CFAN38]

What do expect from each going forward?

I must admit that their shooting or lack of accuracy has been a disappointment. 

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

Not sure how he shot so well in college, but his jump shot needs work imo. Its like a laser.  Like shotput style shooting

Not even sure what to say about Langford shooting..

Do you have faith that these two former lotto picks will be consistent contributers off the bench?

I have never been a fan of the Nesmith pick. Pre draft I didnt think he had the lateral quickness to defend wings and was 2-3" to short to defend up. I still think this is true but his hustle has been endearing. His effort and length have allowed him to become passable on D and his vertical explosiveness helps him contesting around the rim. On offense he really needs to just get more consistent and have motion sets called for him. I don't see him as having a starting level ceiling on a playoff team (unless he becomes top 10% 3pt shooters in league) but he should be a valuable role player. 

Langford I have always been high on but I have grown very concerned with his offense. I am fine with him being a work in progress shooting the ball but he needs to show more off the dribble getting his own offense. His calling card was supposed to be sell creation but when given the opportunity he really seems to lack the confidence to attack and the ability to get separation/angles to the rim. I am still holding out hope that he becomes a Kent Bazemore level NBA wing but I'm growing more skeptical. 

[Tr1boy]

What do expect from each going forward?

I must admit that their shooting or lack of accuracy has been a disappointment. 

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

Not sure how he shot so well in college, but his jump shot needs work imo. Its like a laser.  Like shotput style shooting

Not even sure what to say about Langford shooting..

Do you have faith that these two former lotto picks will be consistent contributers off the bench?

I have never been a fan of the Nesmith pick. Pre draft I didnt think he had the lateral quickness to defend wings and was 2-3" to short to defend up. I still think this is true but his hustle has been endearing. His effort and length have allowed him to become passable on D and his vertical explosiveness helps him contesting around the rim. On offense he really needs to just get more consistent and have motion sets called for him. I don't see him as having a starting level ceiling on a playoff team (unless he becomes top 10% 3pt shooters in league) but he should be a valuable role player. 

Langford I have always been high on but I have grown very concerned with his offense. I am fine with him being a work in progress shooting the ball but he needs to show more off the dribble getting his own offense. His calling card was supposed to be sell creation but when given the opportunity he really seems to lack the confidence to attack and the ability to get separation/angles to the rim. I am still holding out hope that he becomes a Kent Bazemore level NBA wing but I'm growing more skeptical.

Wasnt Langford playing pg for his HS/college teams?

Havent seen much offense from his game, other than relying on athleticism

[Who]

I like Nesmith. He will be a good 3&D player and at the very least be a highly valuable role player moving forward. The question to me is can be a star player? Can he develop his shot creation enough to be more than a spot up shooter on offense? I don't know. Either way, it is a good outcome. Either we get a terrific glue guy or a guy with some star talent. Very happy with what we have with Nesmith.

I am non-committal on Romeo. I like his scrapiness but I hate his offense. His entire career will come down to whether or not he can make perimeter jump-shots. If he can, he has some star talent to him. If he can't, he is not an NBA level player. Career over. Go to Europe. But if he can hit some jump-shots, then that will open up his driving game which is pretty solid and will make him a well rounded scorer in the NBA to go along with strong defense. That would make him a highly valuable player moving forward.

So patience and see what happens (with Romeo). Romeo could be really good. Or he could stay really bad. I am not depending on Romeo to be a rotation player next season. He is too far away to be depended on moving forward. That doesn't mean we give up on him (discard him) but it does mean we need genuine alternative backup wings in case he fails to develop his jump-shot.

[rollie mass]

I am a fan of romeo and i'm a fan of Nesmith. Tommy always said Romeo is a player and i do too .He just has to get stronger-"man Strength" .Nesmith has shot 37% from three after a horrible start.I watched Romeo box out the Nets big and to judge these kids guarding Durant,Kyrie and Harden is not fair.Durant just shoots over Romeo,Harden a master of drawing fouls nobody stops those players at what just 21 years old .No summer league two seasons abbreviated training camp ,injures and covid.
Danny drafting tweeners without length and Edwards .

[Tr1boy]

I like Nesmith. He will be a good 3&D player and at the very least be a highly valuable role player moving forward. The question to me is can be a star player? Can he develop his shot creation enough to be more than a spot up shooter on offense? I don't know. Either way, it is a good outcome. Either we get a terrific glue guy or a guy with some star talent. Very happy with what we have with Nesmith.

I am non-committal on Romeo. I like his scrapiness but I hate his offense. His entire career will come down to whether or not he can make perimeter jump-shots. If he can, he has some star talent to him. If he can't, he is not an NBA level player. Career over. Go to Europe. But if he can hit some jump-shots, then that will open up his driving game which is pretty solid and will make him a well rounded scorer in the NBA to go along with strong defense. That would make him a highly valuable player moving forward.

So patience and see what happens (with Romeo). Romeo could be really good. Or he could stay really bad. I am not depending on Romeo to be a rotation player next season. He is too far away to be depended on moving forward. That doesn't mean we give up on him (discard him) but it does mean we need genuine alternative backup wings in case he fails to develop his jump-shot.

It's difficult to be confident or optimistic about Romeo jump shot

He has missed almost all the open looks he has had this season. Except hitting in in game 1 of his return.  Its funny ...with a bum hand, he shot the 3 better last season

overall its just a sloppy jump shooting stroke.   It almost needs to be rebuilt from scratch... like what they did with Fultz

IF he can't learn to shoot the 3. As long as he can shoot the FTs at around 70 percent, he can still stick around in the NBA.  Has the size/versatility on D end to be useful bench depth

[libermaniac]

I think Nesmith was a solid pick for 14. I’m excited to see his continued development and love his effort. I’ve officially given up on Romeo.

[Roy H.]

Nesmith is only a rookie but was considered the best shooter of the draft.  Hasnt looked consistent. Missing wide open 3s

When you have a minute, look up the rookie numbers for JJ Redick and Kyle Korver, two of the best shooters in league history.  Sometimes, it takes awhile for things to come together.  Nesmith shot over 45% from 3PT over his last 17 games, I think.  It's a small sample size, but an encouraging one.  Plus there's the defense and the hustle.