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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #3060 on: July 02, 2021, 08:19:34 AM »

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The Bucks had 4 starters with 20+ points.  They shot tremendously well from the field, though were still weak from 3.  They played team basketball and really spread it around.  I actually thought they played more cohesively and better even though they aren't as good without Giannis.  Lopez looked like his Brooklyn days.  Holiday looked like prime-Holiday.  Middleton, was good Middleton, and had a very strong all around game 26/13/8.  They just had a different feel to them.  If they get by the Hawks, they almost certainly won't beat the Suns without Giannis, but the Bucks have some really good players and play a more team oriented game without Giannis.
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #3061 on: July 02, 2021, 09:20:28 AM »

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It's so crazy that last series there was serious fire Bud talk and now all of a sudden his Bucks are 1 game away from a trip to the Finals.

Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #3062 on: July 02, 2021, 09:47:14 AM »

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I was shocked to see Trae Young and Giannis not playing last night due to injuries. I would love to know who made the final decision for them not to play. I thought Giannis had no structural damage to his knee, and was just a hyperextension. Young’s injury looked like it was a twisted ankle. Their teams were two games away from going to the Finals before last night’s game, so how were they not playing?

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« Reply #3063 on: July 02, 2021, 09:57:40 AM »

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I was shocked to see Trae Young and Giannis not playing last night due to injuries. I would love to know who made the final decision for them not to play. I thought Giannis had no structural damage to his knee, and was just a hyperextension. Young’s injury looked like it was a twisted ankle. Their teams were two games away from going to the Finals before last night’s game, so how were they not playing?

“Just a hyperextension” can keep you on crutches for weeks depending the severity.  And Young’s injury is to his foot, not his ankle, which is harder to tape up and play through.

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« Reply #3064 on: July 02, 2021, 10:01:11 AM »

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I was shocked to see Trae Young and Giannis not playing last night due to injuries. I would love to know who made the final decision for them not to play. I thought Giannis had no structural damage to his knee, and was just a hyperextension. Young’s injury looked like it was a twisted ankle. Their teams were two games away from going to the Finals before last night’s game, so how were they not playing?

Presumably their medical staff, who are getting their information first hand rather than from random speculation.

Trae Young has a bone bruise in his foot, that is evidently serious enough for him to miss a couple of games (so far). Gianni's has no structural damage, but that doesn't mean that there isn't any pain or swelling that prevented him from playing (or a higher risk of the injury reoccurring and causing long term damage.

Given what happened with IT, I don't really blame either player for not playing if they aren't physically ready to, especially since game 5 wasn't an elimination game.
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« Reply #3065 on: July 02, 2021, 10:01:55 AM »

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The Bucks had 4 starters with 20+ points.  They shot tremendously well from the field, though were still weak from 3.  They played team basketball and really spread it around.  I actually thought they played more cohesively and better even though they aren't as good without Giannis.  Lopez looked like his Brooklyn days.  Holiday looked like prime-Holiday.  Middleton, was good Middleton, and had a very strong all around game 26/13/8.  They just had a different feel to them.  If they get by the Hawks, they almost certainly won't beat the Suns without Giannis, but the Bucks have some really good players and play a more team oriented game without Giannis.

I have long thought Giannis was a difficult player to play with on the offensive side of the floor.

Before Budenholzer arrived and created that 4 out 1 in with Giannis next to a stretch 5 and three other shooters, I was unsure how well Giannis could do next to talented teammates.

I felt he impeded the progress of other talented teammates earlier in his career with his lack of shooting and insistence on handling the ball 20 feet from the hoop despite not being able to make a jump-shot consistently.

His lack of shooting hurt spacing off the ball and shrunk the court. Allowing opposing teams to play off of him and make his teammates lives more difficult when they tried to create for themselves.

Coach Bud showed a way to make it work despite Giannis' limitations but there has always been an issue there with his teamwork (offensively only!) - how well he works with others and whether he helps or hinders his teammates.

Interesting to see another signal of this now (years later) even in a system designed to minimize Giannis' weaknesses.

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« Reply #3066 on: July 02, 2021, 11:41:29 AM »

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The Bucks had 4 starters with 20+ points.  They shot tremendously well from the field, though were still weak from 3.  They played team basketball and really spread it around.  I actually thought they played more cohesively and better even though they aren't as good without Giannis.  Lopez looked like his Brooklyn days.  Holiday looked like prime-Holiday.  Middleton, was good Middleton, and had a very strong all around game 26/13/8.  They just had a different feel to them.  If they get by the Hawks, they almost certainly won't beat the Suns without Giannis, but the Bucks have some really good players and play a more team oriented game without Giannis.

I have long thought Giannis was a difficult player to play with on the offensive side of the floor.

Before Budenholzer arrived and created that 4 out 1 in with Giannis next to a stretch 5 and three other shooters, I was unsure how well Giannis could do next to talented teammates.

I felt he impeded the progress of other talented teammates earlier in his career with his lack of shooting and insistence on handling the ball 20 feet from the hoop despite not being able to make a jump-shot consistently.

His lack of shooting hurt spacing off the ball and shrunk the court. Allowing opposing teams to play off of him and make his teammates lives more difficult when they tried to create for themselves.

Coach Bud showed a way to make it work despite Giannis' limitations but there has always been an issue there with his teamwork (offensively only!) - how well he works with others and whether he helps or hinders his teammates.

Interesting to see another signal of this now (years later) even in a system designed to minimize Giannis' weaknesses.
I think he really hampers Lopez because Lopez is an absolute master in the post and can't really play in the post with Giannis also there.  Obviously I wasn't expecting an uber efficient 33 from Brook, but I absolutely think he can continue to be a 20+ scorer with solid efficiency for as long as Giannis is out. 

Middleton's problem is consistency and I don't think that has anything to do with Giannis.  Middleton is what he is at this point, i.e. a good, but not great player, that at times can look like the best player in the word and at other times is going to look like a GLeaguer.  He just isn't good enough to be more than that. 

Holiday is also what he is at this point, but he is more effective with the ball in his hand, so he is probably hurt some by Giannis' ball dominance, especially given Holiday is not a great outside shooter, but overall I don't think you see much different from him.

So in sum, I think Giannis has almost no impact on Middleton's effectiveness, might have a small negative effect on Holiday, and has a fairly big negative effect on Lopez. 

The Bucks without Giannis though are a team of all star or near all star caliber of players, but not all nba caliber of players, and they aren't going to realistically beat the Suns in a 7 game series without Giannis because while the Suns don't have a mega star like Giannis, they do have 2 All NBA caliber guards, a future all nba center, and a really well constructed and deep team. 
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #3067 on: July 03, 2021, 09:42:45 PM »

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Yikes.  Not exactly an NBA showcase.


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« Reply #3068 on: July 03, 2021, 10:10:59 PM »

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If the Hawks can't beat a Giannis-less Bucks team with Trey back, they don't deserve to go anywhere near the finals

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« Reply #3069 on: July 03, 2021, 10:17:48 PM »

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If the Hawks can't beat a Giannis-less Bucks team with Trey back, they don't deserve to go anywhere near the finals
Will be curious how the Hawks approach the offseason. They have a lot of young guys that are getting close to needing to make decisions on. Collins is due money. Think Trae young due extension next offseason too.

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« Reply #3070 on: July 03, 2021, 10:18:30 PM »

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Jeff Teague lighting up, lol

Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #3071 on: July 03, 2021, 10:19:57 PM »

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If the Hawks can't beat a Giannis-less Bucks team with Trey back, they don't deserve to go anywhere near the finals
Will be curious how the Hawks approach the offseason. They have a lot of young guys that are getting close to needing to make decisions on. Collins is due money. Think Trae young due extension next offseason too.

They should be all in on getting Beal this offseason.

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« Reply #3072 on: July 03, 2021, 10:28:09 PM »

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If the Hawks can't beat a Giannis-less Bucks team with Trey back, they don't deserve to go anywhere near the finals
Will be curious how the Hawks approach the offseason. They have a lot of young guys that are getting close to needing to make decisions on. Collins is due money. Think Trae young due extension next offseason too.

They should be all in on getting Beal this offseason.
They should go for him but not sure if Beal wants to stay in ATL long term

Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #3073 on: July 03, 2021, 10:31:08 PM »

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I’m happy for the Bucks.  They’ve got a lot of guys I like.  Jrue and Middleton, Giannis, and old friend Teague are guys I like rooting for.


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« Reply #3074 on: July 03, 2021, 10:31:22 PM »

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If the Hawks can't beat a Giannis-less Bucks team with Trey back, they don't deserve to go anywhere near the finals


Will be curious how the Hawks approach the offseason. They have a lot of young guys that are getting close to needing to make decisions on. Collins is due money. Think Trae young due extension next offseason too.

They should be all in on getting Beal this offseason.
They should go for him but not sure if Beal wants to stay in ATL long term

At this stage its worth a try for them. If they get a title and  he pulls  a  Kawhi,  its totally worth it