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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1230 on: June 05, 2021, 03:15:33 AM »

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Funny how everyone makes injury excuses for the Lakers yet completely ignore them when it comes to other teams like the Celtics and Sixers (if Embiid's injury is serious), etc.  ::)

Yeah, it’s interesting to see the different takes on two teams that finished the season as #7 seeds, got decimated by major injuries, and lost in the first round.
The Celtics were a middling team all season while the Lakers were the 2nd best team in the West when their injuries happened.  They just had different ceilings when fully healthy, which is why they are talked about differently.


The Celtics were never healthy this season.

Exactly. I was trying to get stats but from this link, it seems Kemba, Tatum, Brown and Smart barely played together while healthy this year. Anyone have the actual totals where at least one person was missing? The link below says it barely happened at all.

https://www.lineups.com/nba/lineups/boston-celtics


Those four guys played 292 minutes together this year, but it's hard to say how many of those minutes featured all four being anywhere close to healthy.  Very few.

Kemba was really never healthy all year. 

Smart injured his calf at the end of January.

Tatum got COVID in January.

Brown had tendonitis in his left knee since at least February.



Comparison:

LeBron and AD played 601 minutes together this season.  More than double.
How many minutes did Tatum and Brown play together this season?  Why use 4 players for one team, but only 2 for the other?

Because the Lakers constructed a roster based on having two superstars, whereas the Celtics had a roster based on four lesser stars.  I mean, it shows in the salaries.  LeBron and Davis made a combined $73 million compared to the ~$80 million of the Celtics top 4.  That’s much closer than comparing Davis and Lebron’s $73 million to the J’s $33 million.
so Tatum is Boston's 5th best player, since salary matters in that way.  Tatum is a max player, he is just on his rookie contract.  To do what you are doing makes no sense.  Schroder and KCP both make similar money to Fournier and Smart, why would they not count?

2 players are always going to play more minutes then 4 players when you include the same 2 players.  It isn't an apt comparison.  You either need to include the Lakers top 4 or just go with Boston's top 2 if you want to have a fair comparison.

You’re funny in your adamant support of all things LeBron.

Yeah I knew this was going to be in the thread before I opened it. The defense is far reaching it covers topics ranging from the 1995 jazz sucking to ad’s injury this year.

Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1231 on: June 05, 2021, 09:28:35 AM »

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I like Luka, but I’d prefer the clippers advancing. Think they are the only team in the West capable of giving Brooklyn trouble. They have the size, depth, and two elite wing defenders. Hoping the Bucks can pull off the upset vs the Nets, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
I think the Bucks have a good shot to take down the Nets but I agree that the Clips are the only West team that might be able to do so.  Plus it would get Rondo another championship with a different team. 

Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1232 on: June 05, 2021, 10:03:39 AM »

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How many minutes did Tatum and Brown play together this season?  Why use 4 players for one team, but only 2 for the other?


Man how many different threads have I read your posts in where you're arguing how great LeBron and AD are and how Tatum and Brown aren't that level of player?

Come on.
They aren't the same level of player, but comparing minutes played of 2 players vs. 4 players is ridiculous and you know it.  Imagine if I had done that, what would the response be? 
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1233 on: June 05, 2021, 10:04:54 AM »

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Funny how everyone makes injury excuses for the Lakers yet completely ignore them when it comes to other teams like the Celtics and Sixers (if Embiid's injury is serious), etc.  ::)

Yeah, it’s interesting to see the different takes on two teams that finished the season as #7 seeds, got decimated by major injuries, and lost in the first round.
The Celtics were a middling team all season while the Lakers were the 2nd best team in the West when their injuries happened.  They just had different ceilings when fully healthy, which is why they are talked about differently.


The Celtics were never healthy this season.

Exactly. I was trying to get stats but from this link, it seems Kemba, Tatum, Brown and Smart barely played together while healthy this year. Anyone have the actual totals where at least one person was missing? The link below says it barely happened at all.

https://www.lineups.com/nba/lineups/boston-celtics


Those four guys played 292 minutes together this year, but it's hard to say how many of those minutes featured all four being anywhere close to healthy.  Very few.

Kemba was really never healthy all year. 

Smart injured his calf at the end of January.

Tatum got COVID in January.

Brown had tendonitis in his left knee since at least February.



Comparison:

LeBron and AD played 601 minutes together this season.  More than double.
How many minutes did Tatum and Brown play together this season?  Why use 4 players for one team, but only 2 for the other?

Because the Lakers constructed a roster based on having two superstars, whereas the Celtics had a roster based on four lesser stars.  I mean, it shows in the salaries.  LeBron and Davis made a combined $73 million compared to the ~$80 million of the Celtics top 4.  That’s much closer than comparing Davis and Lebron’s $73 million to the J’s $33 million.
so Tatum is Boston's 5th best player, since salary matters in that way.  Tatum is a max player, he is just on his rookie contract.  To do what you are doing makes no sense.  Schroder and KCP both make similar money to Fournier and Smart, why would they not count?

2 players are always going to play more minutes then 4 players when you include the same 2 players.  It isn't an apt comparison.  You either need to include the Lakers top 4 or just go with Boston's top 2 if you want to have a fair comparison.

You’re funny in your adamant support of all things LeBron.
That isn't a support of Lebron, that is a support of logic, which is where most of my ideas come from i.e. if it is logical, it is probably something I believe.
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1234 on: June 05, 2021, 02:44:54 PM »

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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1235 on: June 05, 2021, 04:46:16 PM »

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Funny how everyone makes injury excuses for the Lakers yet completely ignore them when it comes to other teams like the Celtics and Sixers (if Embiid's injury is serious), etc.  ::)

Yeah, it’s interesting to see the different takes on two teams that finished the season as #7 seeds, got decimated by major injuries, and lost in the first round.
The Celtics were a middling team all season while the Lakers were the 2nd best team in the West when their injuries happened.  They just had different ceilings when fully healthy, which is why they are talked about differently.


The Celtics were never healthy this season.

Exactly. I was trying to get stats but from this link, it seems Kemba, Tatum, Brown and Smart barely played together while healthy this year. Anyone have the actual totals where at least one person was missing? The link below says it barely happened at all.

https://www.lineups.com/nba/lineups/boston-celtics


Those four guys played 292 minutes together this year, but it's hard to say how many of those minutes featured all four being anywhere close to healthy.  Very few.

Kemba was really never healthy all year. 

Smart injured his calf at the end of January.

Tatum got COVID in January.

Brown had tendonitis in his left knee since at least February.



Comparison:

LeBron and AD played 601 minutes together this season.  More than double.
How many minutes did Tatum and Brown play together this season?  Why use 4 players for one team, but only 2 for the other?

Because the Lakers constructed a roster based on having two superstars, whereas the Celtics had a roster based on four lesser stars.  I mean, it shows in the salaries.  LeBron and Davis made a combined $73 million compared to the ~$80 million of the Celtics top 4.  That’s much closer than comparing Davis and Lebron’s $73 million to the J’s $33 million.
so Tatum is Boston's 5th best player, since salary matters in that way.  Tatum is a max player, he is just on his rookie contract.  To do what you are doing makes no sense.  Schroder and KCP both make similar money to Fournier and Smart, why would they not count?

2 players are always going to play more minutes then 4 players when you include the same 2 players.  It isn't an apt comparison.  You either need to include the Lakers top 4 or just go with Boston's top 2 if you want to have a fair comparison.

You’re funny in your adamant support of all things LeBron.
That isn't a support of Lebron, that is a support of logic, which is where most of my ideas come from i.e. if it is logical, it is probably something I believe.
Far out man.
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1236 on: June 05, 2021, 05:52:22 PM »

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Fear the Rampaging Deer - let's go then Giannis my boi - stop those Brooklyn crybabies please and save our league <3   :police:
I'm conflicted about this series - on one hand I predicted the Bucks to win this and I despise some of Brooklyn's players, but part of me also wants the Bucks to lose in the 2nd round so they can sack Budenholzer to give us a free run at him.
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1237 on: June 05, 2021, 07:07:14 PM »

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Fear the Rampaging Deer - let's go then Giannis my boi - stop those Brooklyn crybabies please and save our league <3   :police:
I'm conflicted about this series - on one hand I predicted the Bucks to win this and I despise some of Brooklyn's players, but part of me also wants the Bucks to lose in the 2nd round so they can sack Budenholzer to give us a free run at him.

I pulling for Bucks .....Lakers pulling for Nets , same reason you want Nets to win. 

I think Giannis will join LA soon as Bron quits .

Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1238 on: June 05, 2021, 07:09:08 PM »

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Fear the Rampaging Deer - let's go then Giannis my boi - stop those Brooklyn crybabies please and save our league <3   :police:
I'm conflicted about this series - on one hand I predicted the Bucks to win this and I despise some of Brooklyn's players, but part of me also wants the Bucks to lose in the 2nd round so they can sack Budenholzer to give us a free run at him.

I pulling for Bucks .....Lakers pulling for Nets , same reason you want Nets to win. 

I think Giannis will join LA soon as Bron quits .
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1239 on: June 05, 2021, 07:35:52 PM »

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harden to locker room quickly

Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1240 on: June 05, 2021, 07:39:20 PM »

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harden to locker room quickly

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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1241 on: June 05, 2021, 07:44:55 PM »

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Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1242 on: June 05, 2021, 07:46:40 PM »

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Why is Irving playing better vs when he was a Celtic??

Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1243 on: June 05, 2021, 07:48:47 PM »

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why isn’t Giannis on Durant.

Re: NBA Playoffs 2021
« Reply #1244 on: June 05, 2021, 07:49:20 PM »

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I love how Gianis doesn’t care.  Heck, AAU? What is that? Who cares.....he has no friends out there, just wants to beat you.