Who's in, who's out ?

[colincb]

I think we're stuck with the majority of the bunch. Not happy about it either.

Maybe this summer a small move, but next year's trade deadline? Many decisions will need to be made.

2021/2022 deadline:

Smart's last year....$14.3M (re sign or trade or both)
Kemba's second to last year...$36M (salary dump)
Thompson's last year...$9.7M (re sign or trade)
Robert last year ...$3.6M (re sign or trade)

Semi is done this season at $1.7M (where else do you get Semi for $1.7M?)

Rest of the guys are on other rookie deals.

Be aware that Ainge has a plan that might be 2022/23 and 2023/24 he goes all in for title with J's and heads to luxury tax land etc.

Before then? We're moving the deck chairs around and waiting to see who breaks loose from other teams.

If you wait until the trade deadline on Smart, you'll end up with a Fournier-like, 1 or 2 second-round picks deal. Either you decide to trade Smart in the summer or decide you're going to try to re-sign him.

[Tr1boy]

Tatum has flaws.  He doesn't get to the line nearly enough.  He's very inconsistent in how often he attacks the paint.  He has a tendency to default to side step threes and fadeaways when the going gets tough.  If your team is following his personality, your team might be a bit too laid back and relaxed even when the moment calls for passionate intensity / desperation. 

Tatum new nickname is slomo 2? 

Lets see if this unit has another gear for the play-in and in the playoffs

When the threat of the season end... is waiving in front of their face

Who knows with this crew. It likes to procrastinate

[wiley]

I think one of Brown and Tatum should be traded.  I would trade Tatum as he'll bring a higher return and, I think for maximizing Brad Steven's strengths as a coach Brown is a better fit than Tatum.

What sort of player are you expecting to be available that is worth trading Tatum?

Let's remember Tatum's attributes / accomplishments

- prototypical size for scoring wing / forward

- proven 25+ ppg scorer

- from his rookie season onward has shown he can score at a high level even throughout long playoff series

- still only 23

- gets hot for stretches, showing an ability to put up 30-40+ points on a night to night basis for weeks or more at a time (this is how underdog teams make deep playoff runs)



It's very very hard to find guys who can be your lead scorer in a playoff series against a quality defensive opponent.

Tatum has flaws.  He doesn't get to the line nearly enough.  He's very inconsistent in how often he attacks the paint.  He has a tendency to default to side step threes and fadeaways when the going gets tough.  If your team is following his personality, your team might be a bit too laid back and relaxed even when the moment calls for passionate intensity / desperation. 

Even so, what Tatum provides is incredibly difficult to replace.

I like Tatum.  Trading him would require an incredible return, including high level big and a big talented PG who will quickly become the team's leader.  Very unlikely he'll be traded. 

[SparzWizard]

I think you only trade Tatum if you get someone like Anthony Davis or Kevin Durant back...generational talent players.

Everybody but Tatum is expendable on this team. And it's time to get a new coach with a new philosophy.

[GreenlyGreeny]

The only player who should definitely be back is Pritchard. Everyone else is on the table. Period.

[wdleehi]

I think you only trade Tatum if you get someone like Anthony Davis or Kevin Durant back...generational talent players.

Everybody but Tatum is expendable on this team. And it's time to get a new coach with a new philosophy.

Not sure I would trade him for Durant now.  I just have to many questions about health after the last two years.

[Somebody]

I think you only trade Tatum if you get someone like Anthony Davis or Kevin Durant back...generational talent players.

Everybody but Tatum is expendable on this team. And it's time to get a new coach with a new philosophy.

Not sure I would trade him for Durant now.  I just have to many questions about health after the last two years.

I think I would - Durant is incredible when he's healthy, we can afford to be extremely cautious with him in the regular season thanks to our team having other stars in Kemba and Brown - we're not going to miss the playoffs with a team led by those two as long as our team isn't ravaged by injuries and an extremely infectious respiratory disease with severe effects to an athlete's cardiovascular abilities.

[Somebody]

I think one of Brown and Tatum should be traded.  I would trade Tatum as he'll bring a higher return and, I think for maximizing Brad Steven's strengths as a coach Brown is a better fit than Tatum.

What sort of player are you expecting to be available that is worth trading Tatum?

Let's remember Tatum's attributes / accomplishments

- prototypical size for scoring wing / forward

- proven 25+ ppg scorer

- from his rookie season onward has shown he can score at a high level even throughout long playoff series

- still only 23

- gets hot for stretches, showing an ability to put up 30-40+ points on a night to night basis for weeks or more at a time (this is how underdog teams make deep playoff runs)



It's very very hard to find guys who can be your lead scorer in a playoff series against a quality defensive opponent.

Tatum has flaws.  He doesn't get to the line nearly enough.  He's very inconsistent in how often he attacks the paint.  He has a tendency to default to side step threes and fadeaways when the going gets tough.  If your team is following his personality, your team might be a bit too laid back and relaxed even when the moment calls for passionate intensity / desperation. 

Even so, what Tatum provides is incredibly difficult to replace.

I like Tatum.  Trading him would require an incredible return, including high level big and a big talented PG who will quickly become the team's leader.  Very unlikely he'll be traded.

So Gobert and Conley?

[wdleehi]

I think you only trade Tatum if you get someone like Anthony Davis or Kevin Durant back...generational talent players.

Everybody but Tatum is expendable on this team. And it's time to get a new coach with a new philosophy.

Not sure I would trade him for Durant now.  I just have to many questions about health after the last two years.

I think I would - Durant is incredible when he's healthy, we can afford to be extremely cautious with him in the regular season thanks to our team having other stars in Kemba and Brown - we're not going to miss the playoffs with a team led by those two as long as our team isn't ravaged by injuries and an extremely infectious respiratory disease with severe effects to an athlete's cardiovascular abilities.

Didn't we see what happened to this team when players are often out?

[nickagneta]

The only player who should definitely be back is Pritchard. Everyone else is on the table. Period.

This is hilarious. The only guy that deserves to come back is the rookie, backup PG that averages 7.7 PPG, 2.3 APG and 1.8 RPG and who could have a ceiling as a very good backup PG?

Thanks for the good laugh

[Jamilmac99]

The thought of Stevens returning makes me wince in pain. Has it ever been more evident that a team simply does not play hard for a coach??!! This season has been a complete and utter Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. show. Yes there were numerous injuries etc. but the team showed no fight or tenacity on many, many occasions. There needs to be some player turnover as well. Smart is a frustrating one as he has some really nice defensive qualities but then you have to put up with the horrible shooting so its a win/lose. I'd say it's likely that Smart and/or Kemba is gone. Trading Kemba is another really tough one because they'd also have to give additional stuff to unload the unbelievable salary. They need more toughness, more scrappiness, and a point guard that can distribute. Losing Hayward proved to be significant with the lack of ball movement etc. The outlook right now is not great but I'd still expect next season to be better than this one.

[BMark]

My take is quite in line with Triboy.

I think one of Brown and Tatum should be traded.  I would trade Tatum as he'll bring a higher return and, I think for maximizing Brad Steven's strengths as a coach Brown is a better fit than Tatum.

Stevens needs a deep team that can defend.  Trading Tatum can deliver that while also remaining extremely talented.


Main Players:

Out:  Tatum, Walker, maybe Smart maybe not.

In:  Brown, Fournier, Nesmith, Langford, Pritchard, Robert Williams


Brown was great this year but picked up one of Tatum's bad habits of going one on one
and turning the ball over at ill advised moments.  If both Brown and Tatum are going iso it becomes impossible for Steven's to implement what he's trying to do in terms of cohesion.
One option is to be patient with both, keeping both.  Another is to give Stevens a Stevens-type team right now.

If the choice if between Tatum or Brown or Stevens, then Stevens need to be shown the door.  Only reason to move Tatum or Brown is if they were incompatible or if they could be moved for a better star.  I don't see anything to suggest Tatum and Brown aren't compatible not have I seen a better star available yet.  Even if we did trade for a better star, there's a good chance Stevens needs to be shown the door. 

Teams don't win NBA championships because they are deep.  You need a couple top stars and 5 or 6 productive playoff ready role players.  Championships are won by building around the stars on the team not by building a team around the coach.   If Stevens, can't make a championship contender around Tatum and Brown, Stevens needs to go.

This is exactly right.  The focus in the offseason has to be a past-first PG who is not a liability on defense.  Does not have to be a star

[Sophomore]

My take is quite in line with Triboy.

I think one of Brown and Tatum should be traded.  I would trade Tatum as he'll bring a higher return and, I think for maximizing Brad Steven's strengths as a coach Brown is a better fit than Tatum.

Stevens needs a deep team that can defend.  Trading Tatum can deliver that while also remaining extremely talented.


Main Players:

Out:  Tatum, Walker, maybe Smart maybe not.

In:  Brown, Fournier, Nesmith, Langford, Pritchard, Robert Williams


Brown was great this year but picked up one of Tatum's bad habits of going one on one
and turning the ball over at ill advised moments.  If both Brown and Tatum are going iso it becomes impossible for Steven's to implement what he's trying to do in terms of cohesion.
One option is to be patient with both, keeping both.  Another is to give Stevens a Stevens-type team right now.

If the choice if between Tatum or Brown or Stevens, then Stevens need to be shown the door.  Only reason to move Tatum or Brown is if they were incompatible or if they could be moved for a better star.  I don't see anything to suggest Tatum and Brown aren't compatible not have I seen a better star available yet.  Even if we did trade for a better star, there's a good chance Stevens needs to be shown the door. 

Teams don't win NBA championships because they are deep.  You need a couple top stars and 5 or 6 productive playoff ready role players.  Championships are won by building around the stars on the team not by building a team around the coach.   If Stevens, can't make a championship contender around Tatum and Brown, Stevens needs to go.

This is exactly right.  The focus in the offseason has to be a past-first PG who is not a liability on defense.  Does not have to be a star

I would give a lot to get Dejounte Murray. Unfortunately, the reasons he’d be so good for this team are the reasons the Spurs aren’t going to give him up.

[rondofan1255]

OUT

Kemba: bad contract, and no more small guards under 6'3 who are huge defensive liabilities. No thanks to seeing teams just attack him for an entire playoff series.

Grant Williams
Semi
Edwards
Both TW: Tacko and Waters.

Don't Care Either Way Jabari Parker, Luke Kornet

Possibly trade if there's value Smart

IN

Tatum, Brown, Nesmith, Fournier, Timelord

2021 1st - lose the play-ins please since this is a sunk season?

Romeo - wild card with a full offseason ahead (TBD)

PP - viable backup PG

TT as a minutes eater at the 5 for when Timelord is hurt

[iadera]

I really think that the last season with Kyrie was Stevens' ''be or not to be''. All after that was just trying to climb on M.Everest with one ski. Stevens is done if you ask me. Keep the core (JT, JB, Smart, RWIII), get rid of all these picks and move on.