Terrible deal! Kristaps is even more injury-prone than Kemba, and the difference in play between the two is absolutely marginal. Timelord, PP and a 1st make this a catastrophic overpay. Dallas would be laughing with glee
I disagree on the Kemba/Zinger part. Not so much the injuries, but the difference in play. I think what the Zinger would bring to the team would be significantly more than what Kemba does. A 20/9 floor spacing, shot blocking big man is far more valuable than a score first PG that isn't an elite shooter. FAR more valuable. Pritchard and a late 1st don't have a ton of value. So it really comes down to Williams for me. He has certainly looked like he could be a solid player, but he isn't a scorer and obviously has had a ton of injury issues himself.
I think I'd probably do it. You absolutely know what Porzingis brings and I think he would be a better compliment to Tatum and Brown long term and would increase the championship likelihood.
too rich a price. Zinger's health is a well-known issue. he goes down and now we've got nothing at center or a PG that can score.
we don't have a center that can score now so that isn't an issue. Why do you need a PG that can score, but isn't a passer or elite shooter. At least flat earth was an elite shooter.
my point is that if Zinger goes down, and with his history it's practically inevitable, you no longer have a PG that can score nor a center that can score with both Kemba and Timelord moved in the deal. Kemba, for all his inconsistency this season, is still an offensive threat the other team needs to guard and Timelord is a definite threat around the rim and has shown a pretty consistent 15 foot jumper that we don't utilize as much as we should.
post-trade with Zinger out for any stretch with health issues, you're now down to just the J's and Fournier as scorers with only 2 on the floor at any time. I'd certainly consider Zinger for Kemba straight up since we're dealing with 2 players that both miss time on the court and Zinger's offensive skillset could work with Timelord's since one is primarily an outside shooter and the other is in the post.
true, but I'd also assume that Boston would you know sign or trade for a PG in the summer. This trade can't happen till the off season, so I don't think the team would not have a PG on the roster. Also, I believe Dallas still needs to send out salary as what is going out is around 40 million vs Zinger's like 30 million. Adding Trey Burke to the trade makes the dollars work and give Boston at least a respectable back-up PG on the roster. Maybe you role with Smart as the starting PG. So you have Smart, Fournier, Brown, Tatum, Zinger with Burke, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Thompson, Wagner, and Edwards as the only players under contract. Perhaps the team looks to move Smart for a more natural PG. Maybe something like Smart and Thompson for Beverley and Zubac.
So do the Dallas trade (Zinger, Burker for Walker, Pritchard, R. Will, 1st) and the the Clippers trade (Smart, Thompson for Beverley, Zubac)
PG - Beverley, Burke, Edwards
SG - Fournier, Langford
SF - Brown, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Ojeleye, G. Williams
C - Porzingis, Zubac, Wagner, Kornet
Plus an open roster spot for a rookie or a free agent (and potentially more if you don't bring back Ojeleye and/or Kornet).
That to me looks like a team that has a much better shot at a title both next year and in the future as it has a very strong top 3 in Tatum, Brown, Porzingis complemented well with a pretty nice 6 players after those 3 i.e. Beverley, Fournier, Zubac, Langford, Burke, Nesmith without even accounting for any potential free agent, rookie, etc.
Porzingis to me just raises the ceiling of the team. Certainly a greater potential for injuries with him, but it isn't like Walker or Williams are pictures of health and Porzingis is just flat out better than those guys and probably will be for at least 5 years.
Curious, why do you think Beverly is the answer at PG for the Celtics? Clippers traded for Rondo because Beverly was not fulfilling the role there. I'd rather have Rondo as our point guard than Beverly.
I don't think he is the answer, but I think he would be competent in the 5th starter defender/shooter role. If he is your 5th starter and 6th best player (as he would be on that team as Zubac is also a better player), I think you are doing fine. He is obviously a short term player at the position. Rondo just doesn't do what Beverley can, especially over the course of a season. The Clippers are 21-10 with Beverley and 14-8 without him. He clearly helps them, he has just been banged up this year. The Rondo trade was more about how bad Lou Williams was playing and the fact that Beverley was out with an injury. But there is a reason Beverley started the last two games and Rondo was on the bench, because Beverley's shooting is critical to what the Clippers do as it would be in Boston. He is also far more consistent than Rondo who has an appearance from playoff Rondo every once in awhile. The last 6 seasons Beverley has shot 39.5% from 3 on over 4 attempts a game. He is still a top 10 guard defender. That just isn't Rondo.
when you start expanding the Zinger deal for more than Walker, it loses its appeal.
Pritchard, Timelord and a first is far too much to give up in addition to Walker in that deal. Burks isn't much of a consolation prize to justify the deal. If it's strictly for matching money, I'd rather look to include Edwards, GWill and/or Semi to make it work. Zinger may offer a better fit for the Celts but he's not what he was in his rookie year so talent-wise he's not really showing he's better than Kemba since his return.
The Smart/TT for Beverly/Zubac is something I'd have to take a while to consider if it's worth it. Smart's the better defender than Beverly (and most importantly, younger with his prime ahead of him still) but Zubac can have better nights than TT (although TT has been bringing it lately).
Porzingis is better than Walker. He is younger. He is cheaper. I really don't think those are debatable at all. There is no way Walker lands you Porzingis without other assets.
And I'm not sure what you are watching as Porzingis is having by far his most efficient season. He has career highs in basically all of the typical advanced metrics as well.
He is a 20/9 floor stretching big man that can block some shots and has a TS% of basically 58%. He has been better than Walker this year and was at least comparable if not better last year. He also played more regular season games than Walker has the last two years.
The simple reality is, Boston isn't getting Porzingis without adding assets to Walker and quite frankly maybe not even then, because Porzingis is just better.
