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Celtics-Dallas trade idea
« on: April 08, 2021, 05:35:36 PM »

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Saw this on ProSportsDaily and they offer this:
Dallas get Walker, TimeLord, Pritchard & 1st
Boston get Porzingis

I, for one, would not do this trade..too much to give up but Walker for Porzingis straight up works in trade machine.. this I would do but may have to add something to it for Dallas to do it..plus if they sign Drummond or another big, be good for Dallas
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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2021, 05:44:41 PM »

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replace timelord with Grant and Pritchard with Nesmith and i'd consider it.

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I think I would do Kemba and just about anything they want outside of Tatum, Brown, and Timelord.  We have a gaping hole at the 4 and I don’t see a clear path to an upgrade.  Don’t see a deal though with Doncic dominating the ball (for good reason).  Kemba has not shown himself to be too effective off the ball.

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Terrible deal! Kristaps is even more injury-prone than Kemba, and the difference in play between the two is absolutely marginal. Timelord, PP and a 1st make this a catastrophic overpay. Dallas would be laughing with glee
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The Mavs get off of Porzingis' contract and get a center which they need and point guard who compliments Luka. Why would the Celtics do this kind of trade and WHY trade Kemba?

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2021, 08:47:38 PM »

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Terrible deal! Kristaps is even more injury-prone than Kemba, and the difference in play between the two is absolutely marginal. Timelord, PP and a 1st make this a catastrophic overpay. Dallas would be laughing with glee
I disagree on the Kemba/Zinger part.  Not so much the injuries, but the difference in play.  I think what the Zinger would bring to the team would be significantly more than what Kemba does.  A 20/9 floor spacing, shot blocking big man is far more valuable than a score first PG that isn't an elite shooter.  FAR more valuable.  Pritchard and a late 1st don't have a ton of value.  So it really comes down to Williams for me.  He has certainly looked like he could be a solid player, but he isn't a scorer and obviously has had a ton of injury issues himself.

I think I'd probably do it.  You absolutely know what Porzingis brings and I think he would be a better compliment to Tatum and Brown long term and would increase the championship likelihood.
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2021, 09:55:11 PM »

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Terrible deal! Kristaps is even more injury-prone than Kemba, and the difference in play between the two is absolutely marginal. Timelord, PP and a 1st make this a catastrophic overpay. Dallas would be laughing with glee
I disagree on the Kemba/Zinger part.  Not so much the injuries, but the difference in play.  I think what the Zinger would bring to the team would be significantly more than what Kemba does.  A 20/9 floor spacing, shot blocking big man is far more valuable than a score first PG that isn't an elite shooter.  FAR more valuable.  Pritchard and a late 1st don't have a ton of value.  So it really comes down to Williams for me.  He has certainly looked like he could be a solid player, but he isn't a scorer and obviously has had a ton of injury issues himself.

I think I'd probably do it.  You absolutely know what Porzingis brings and I think he would be a better compliment to Tatum and Brown long term and would increase the championship likelihood.
too rich a price.  Zinger's health is a well-known issue.  he goes down and now we've got nothing at center or a PG that can score.

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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2021, 11:43:01 PM »

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Terrible deal! Kristaps is even more injury-prone than Kemba, and the difference in play between the two is absolutely marginal. Timelord, PP and a 1st make this a catastrophic overpay. Dallas would be laughing with glee
I disagree on the Kemba/Zinger part.  Not so much the injuries, but the difference in play.  I think what the Zinger would bring to the team would be significantly more than what Kemba does.  A 20/9 floor spacing, shot blocking big man is far more valuable than a score first PG that isn't an elite shooter.  FAR more valuable.  Pritchard and a late 1st don't have a ton of value.  So it really comes down to Williams for me.  He has certainly looked like he could be a solid player, but he isn't a scorer and obviously has had a ton of injury issues himself.

I think I'd probably do it.  You absolutely know what Porzingis brings and I think he would be a better compliment to Tatum and Brown long term and would increase the championship likelihood.
too rich a price.  Zinger's health is a well-known issue.  he goes down and now we've got nothing at center or a PG that can score.
we don't have a center that can score now so that isn't an issue.  Why do you need a PG that can score, but isn't a passer or elite shooter.  At least flat earth was an elite shooter. 
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2021, 06:33:39 AM »

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Porzingas is always hurt.  His defense is also somewhat compromised post injury.

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Brunson is almost as good as Walker... JRich is pretty solid too. Burke occasionally scores well.
Luka is their playmaker.

I'm pretty sure they don't want Kemba... and they don't need him.
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Terrible deal! Kristaps is even more injury-prone than Kemba, and the difference in play between the two is absolutely marginal. Timelord, PP and a 1st make this a catastrophic overpay. Dallas would be laughing with glee
I disagree on the Kemba/Zinger part.  Not so much the injuries, but the difference in play.  I think what the Zinger would bring to the team would be significantly more than what Kemba does.  A 20/9 floor spacing, shot blocking big man is far more valuable than a score first PG that isn't an elite shooter.  FAR more valuable.  Pritchard and a late 1st don't have a ton of value.  So it really comes down to Williams for me.  He has certainly looked like he could be a solid player, but he isn't a scorer and obviously has had a ton of injury issues himself.

I think I'd probably do it.  You absolutely know what Porzingis brings and I think he would be a better compliment to Tatum and Brown long term and would increase the championship likelihood.
too rich a price.  Zinger's health is a well-known issue.  he goes down and now we've got nothing at center or a PG that can score.
we don't have a center that can score now so that isn't an issue.  Why do you need a PG that can score, but isn't a passer or elite shooter.  At least flat earth was an elite shooter.
my point is that if Zinger goes down, and with his history it's practically inevitable, you no longer have a PG that can score nor a center that can score with both Kemba and Timelord moved in the deal.   Kemba, for all his inconsistency this season, is still an offensive threat the other team needs to guard and Timelord is a definite threat around the rim and has shown a pretty consistent 15 foot jumper that we don't utilize as much as we should.

post-trade with Zinger out for any stretch with health issues, you're now down to just the J's and Fournier as scorers with only 2 on the floor at any time.  I'd certainly consider Zinger for Kemba straight up since we're dealing with 2 players that both miss time on the court and Zinger's offensive skillset could work with Timelord's since one is primarily an outside shooter and the other is in the post. 

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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2021, 12:12:23 PM »

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Terrible deal! Kristaps is even more injury-prone than Kemba, and the difference in play between the two is absolutely marginal. Timelord, PP and a 1st make this a catastrophic overpay. Dallas would be laughing with glee
I disagree on the Kemba/Zinger part.  Not so much the injuries, but the difference in play.  I think what the Zinger would bring to the team would be significantly more than what Kemba does.  A 20/9 floor spacing, shot blocking big man is far more valuable than a score first PG that isn't an elite shooter.  FAR more valuable.  Pritchard and a late 1st don't have a ton of value.  So it really comes down to Williams for me.  He has certainly looked like he could be a solid player, but he isn't a scorer and obviously has had a ton of injury issues himself.

I think I'd probably do it.  You absolutely know what Porzingis brings and I think he would be a better compliment to Tatum and Brown long term and would increase the championship likelihood.
too rich a price.  Zinger's health is a well-known issue.  he goes down and now we've got nothing at center or a PG that can score.
we don't have a center that can score now so that isn't an issue.  Why do you need a PG that can score, but isn't a passer or elite shooter.  At least flat earth was an elite shooter.
my point is that if Zinger goes down, and with his history it's practically inevitable, you no longer have a PG that can score nor a center that can score with both Kemba and Timelord moved in the deal.   Kemba, for all his inconsistency this season, is still an offensive threat the other team needs to guard and Timelord is a definite threat around the rim and has shown a pretty consistent 15 foot jumper that we don't utilize as much as we should.

post-trade with Zinger out for any stretch with health issues, you're now down to just the J's and Fournier as scorers with only 2 on the floor at any time.  I'd certainly consider Zinger for Kemba straight up since we're dealing with 2 players that both miss time on the court and Zinger's offensive skillset could work with Timelord's since one is primarily an outside shooter and the other is in the post.
true, but I'd also assume that Boston would you know sign or trade for a PG in the summer.  This trade can't happen till the off season, so I don't think the team would not have a PG on the roster.  Also, I believe Dallas still needs to send out salary as what is going out is around 40 million vs Zinger's like 30 million.  Adding Trey Burke to the trade makes the dollars work and give Boston at least a respectable back-up PG on the roster.  Maybe you role with Smart as the starting PG.  So you have Smart, Fournier, Brown, Tatum, Zinger with Burke, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Thompson, Wagner, and Edwards as the only players under contract.  Perhaps the team looks to move Smart for a more natural PG.  Maybe something like Smart and Thompson for Beverley and Zubac. 

So do the Dallas trade (Zinger, Burker for Walker, Pritchard, R. Will, 1st) and the the Clippers trade (Smart, Thompson for Beverley, Zubac)

PG - Beverley, Burke, Edwards
SG - Fournier, Langford
SF - Brown, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Ojeleye, G. Williams
C - Porzingis, Zubac, Wagner, Kornet

Plus an open roster spot for a rookie or a free agent (and potentially more if you don't bring back Ojeleye and/or Kornet).

That to me looks like a team that has a much better shot at a title both next year and in the future as it has a very strong top 3 in Tatum, Brown, Porzingis complemented well with a pretty nice 6 players after those 3 i.e. Beverley, Fournier, Zubac, Langford, Burke, Nesmith without even accounting for any potential free agent, rookie, etc.

Porzingis to me just raises the ceiling of the team.  Certainly a greater potential for injuries with him, but it isn't like Walker or Williams are pictures of health and Porzingis is just flat out better than those guys and probably will be for at least 5 years.
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2021, 01:02:45 PM »

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Terrible deal! Kristaps is even more injury-prone than Kemba, and the difference in play between the two is absolutely marginal. Timelord, PP and a 1st make this a catastrophic overpay. Dallas would be laughing with glee
I disagree on the Kemba/Zinger part.  Not so much the injuries, but the difference in play.  I think what the Zinger would bring to the team would be significantly more than what Kemba does.  A 20/9 floor spacing, shot blocking big man is far more valuable than a score first PG that isn't an elite shooter.  FAR more valuable.  Pritchard and a late 1st don't have a ton of value.  So it really comes down to Williams for me.  He has certainly looked like he could be a solid player, but he isn't a scorer and obviously has had a ton of injury issues himself.

I think I'd probably do it.  You absolutely know what Porzingis brings and I think he would be a better compliment to Tatum and Brown long term and would increase the championship likelihood.
too rich a price.  Zinger's health is a well-known issue.  he goes down and now we've got nothing at center or a PG that can score.
we don't have a center that can score now so that isn't an issue.  Why do you need a PG that can score, but isn't a passer or elite shooter.  At least flat earth was an elite shooter.
my point is that if Zinger goes down, and with his history it's practically inevitable, you no longer have a PG that can score nor a center that can score with both Kemba and Timelord moved in the deal.   Kemba, for all his inconsistency this season, is still an offensive threat the other team needs to guard and Timelord is a definite threat around the rim and has shown a pretty consistent 15 foot jumper that we don't utilize as much as we should.

post-trade with Zinger out for any stretch with health issues, you're now down to just the J's and Fournier as scorers with only 2 on the floor at any time.  I'd certainly consider Zinger for Kemba straight up since we're dealing with 2 players that both miss time on the court and Zinger's offensive skillset could work with Timelord's since one is primarily an outside shooter and the other is in the post.
true, but I'd also assume that Boston would you know sign or trade for a PG in the summer.  This trade can't happen till the off season, so I don't think the team would not have a PG on the roster.  Also, I believe Dallas still needs to send out salary as what is going out is around 40 million vs Zinger's like 30 million.  Adding Trey Burke to the trade makes the dollars work and give Boston at least a respectable back-up PG on the roster.  Maybe you role with Smart as the starting PG.  So you have Smart, Fournier, Brown, Tatum, Zinger with Burke, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Thompson, Wagner, and Edwards as the only players under contract.  Perhaps the team looks to move Smart for a more natural PG.  Maybe something like Smart and Thompson for Beverley and Zubac. 

So do the Dallas trade (Zinger, Burker for Walker, Pritchard, R. Will, 1st) and the the Clippers trade (Smart, Thompson for Beverley, Zubac)

PG - Beverley, Burke, Edwards
SG - Fournier, Langford
SF - Brown, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Ojeleye, G. Williams
C - Porzingis, Zubac, Wagner, Kornet

Plus an open roster spot for a rookie or a free agent (and potentially more if you don't bring back Ojeleye and/or Kornet).

That to me looks like a team that has a much better shot at a title both next year and in the future as it has a very strong top 3 in Tatum, Brown, Porzingis complemented well with a pretty nice 6 players after those 3 i.e. Beverley, Fournier, Zubac, Langford, Burke, Nesmith without even accounting for any potential free agent, rookie, etc.

Porzingis to me just raises the ceiling of the team.  Certainly a greater potential for injuries with him, but it isn't like Walker or Williams are pictures of health and Porzingis is just flat out better than those guys and probably will be for at least 5 years.

Curious, why do you think Beverly is the answer at PG for the Celtics? Clippers traded for Rondo because Beverly was not fulfilling the role there. I'd rather have Rondo as our point guard than Beverly. 

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Terrible deal! Kristaps is even more injury-prone than Kemba, and the difference in play between the two is absolutely marginal. Timelord, PP and a 1st make this a catastrophic overpay. Dallas would be laughing with glee
I disagree on the Kemba/Zinger part.  Not so much the injuries, but the difference in play.  I think what the Zinger would bring to the team would be significantly more than what Kemba does.  A 20/9 floor spacing, shot blocking big man is far more valuable than a score first PG that isn't an elite shooter.  FAR more valuable.  Pritchard and a late 1st don't have a ton of value.  So it really comes down to Williams for me.  He has certainly looked like he could be a solid player, but he isn't a scorer and obviously has had a ton of injury issues himself.

I think I'd probably do it.  You absolutely know what Porzingis brings and I think he would be a better compliment to Tatum and Brown long term and would increase the championship likelihood.
too rich a price.  Zinger's health is a well-known issue.  he goes down and now we've got nothing at center or a PG that can score.
we don't have a center that can score now so that isn't an issue.  Why do you need a PG that can score, but isn't a passer or elite shooter.  At least flat earth was an elite shooter.
my point is that if Zinger goes down, and with his history it's practically inevitable, you no longer have a PG that can score nor a center that can score with both Kemba and Timelord moved in the deal.   Kemba, for all his inconsistency this season, is still an offensive threat the other team needs to guard and Timelord is a definite threat around the rim and has shown a pretty consistent 15 foot jumper that we don't utilize as much as we should.

post-trade with Zinger out for any stretch with health issues, you're now down to just the J's and Fournier as scorers with only 2 on the floor at any time.  I'd certainly consider Zinger for Kemba straight up since we're dealing with 2 players that both miss time on the court and Zinger's offensive skillset could work with Timelord's since one is primarily an outside shooter and the other is in the post.
true, but I'd also assume that Boston would you know sign or trade for a PG in the summer.  This trade can't happen till the off season, so I don't think the team would not have a PG on the roster.  Also, I believe Dallas still needs to send out salary as what is going out is around 40 million vs Zinger's like 30 million.  Adding Trey Burke to the trade makes the dollars work and give Boston at least a respectable back-up PG on the roster.  Maybe you role with Smart as the starting PG.  So you have Smart, Fournier, Brown, Tatum, Zinger with Burke, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Thompson, Wagner, and Edwards as the only players under contract.  Perhaps the team looks to move Smart for a more natural PG.  Maybe something like Smart and Thompson for Beverley and Zubac. 

So do the Dallas trade (Zinger, Burker for Walker, Pritchard, R. Will, 1st) and the the Clippers trade (Smart, Thompson for Beverley, Zubac)

PG - Beverley, Burke, Edwards
SG - Fournier, Langford
SF - Brown, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, Ojeleye, G. Williams
C - Porzingis, Zubac, Wagner, Kornet

Plus an open roster spot for a rookie or a free agent (and potentially more if you don't bring back Ojeleye and/or Kornet).

That to me looks like a team that has a much better shot at a title both next year and in the future as it has a very strong top 3 in Tatum, Brown, Porzingis complemented well with a pretty nice 6 players after those 3 i.e. Beverley, Fournier, Zubac, Langford, Burke, Nesmith without even accounting for any potential free agent, rookie, etc.

Porzingis to me just raises the ceiling of the team.  Certainly a greater potential for injuries with him, but it isn't like Walker or Williams are pictures of health and Porzingis is just flat out better than those guys and probably will be for at least 5 years.

Curious, why do you think Beverly is the answer at PG for the Celtics? Clippers traded for Rondo because Beverly was not fulfilling the role there. I'd rather have Rondo as our point guard than Beverly.
I don't think he is the answer, but I think he would be competent in the 5th starter defender/shooter role.  If he is your 5th starter and 6th best player (as he would be on that team as Zubac is also a better player), I think you are doing fine.  He is obviously a short term player at the position.  Rondo just doesn't do what Beverley can, especially over the course of a season.  The Clippers are 21-10 with Beverley and 14-8 without him.  He clearly helps them, he has just been banged up this year.  The Rondo trade was more about how bad Lou Williams was playing and the fact that Beverley was out with an injury.  But there is a reason Beverley started the last two games and Rondo was on the bench, because Beverley's shooting is critical to what the Clippers do as it would be in Boston. He is also far more consistent than Rondo who has an appearance from playoff Rondo every once in awhile.  The last 6 seasons Beverley has shot 39.5% from 3 on over 4 attempts a game. He is still a top 10 guard defender.  That just isn't Rondo. 
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Re: Celtics-Dallas trade idea
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2021, 01:44:41 PM »

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I'm uninterested in Porzingis for various reasons, some of them on-court and some of them off.
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