Jaylen brown rant

[seancally]

Here’s what I know:

You can win a championship with Jaylen Brown as your #2

The question we are all trying to figure out is:

Can you win a championship with Tatum as your #1?

Nobody wins titles at their age. We gotta wait.

[Quetzalcoatl]

 I don't think he's untouchable like Tatum, but I wouldn't trade him for Beal

[CFAN38]

First, anyone that wouldn’t trade Brown for someone like Beal is smoking.  And yes, I know that’s the majority of fans.  But what do people actually think he is? 

Dude is 24 and has entered his peak.  There are no more significant leaps to be had.  What we saw early this year is a product of increased opportunity, not significant improvement.

Offensively Jaylen is the textbook definition of an empty numbers guy.  Or better yet, what you see is what you get.  He doesn’t have any gravity.  He isn’t running an offense or making guys better.  If his shot isn’t falling, he’s got nothing on offense.

Of course, fans yelling at him to drive to the basket when his shot isn’t falling fail to recognize that he can’t.  He can’t because his handle still isn’t there and he lacks diversity to his drives and other teams collapse on him because he can’t make them pay with the pass.  And no, the great players have options when their shot isn’t falling. 

In terms of defense, Jaylen isn’t a great defender, he a versatile one.  Now these guys are valuable for team defense because the other team will attack the weak link.  If you can minimize the weak links, you can have a good defense and brown is valuable in that sense. 

I’ve always considered jaylens ceiling as a number 3 on a championship contender.  Our problem is that we don’t have a number 2.  Kemba getting his game back our only shot at making any real noise in the post season.  And by noise I mean getting out of the first round.

I’m fully aware that I will be called reactionary.  But a 24 year old supposed superstar should not be having so many games like this.  But if you disagree, fine.  Tell me where I’m wrong.  Don’t give me a nothing response that only shows that you don’t have one.

#3 on a Championship contender is a positive thing

Also below is a stat comp of Beal at 24 and Brown this season

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=bealbr01&p1yrfrom=2018&player_id2=brownja02&p2yrfrom=2021


These are Beal's stats at 24 compared to this season

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=bealbr01&p1yrfrom=2018&player_id2=brownja02&p2yrfrom=2021&player_id3=bealbr01&p3yrfrom=2021

Also if you looking at Leonards statshe made a jump from 23-24 then again at 25
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html

[Moranis]

First, anyone that wouldn’t trade Brown for someone like Beal is smoking.  And yes, I know that’s the majority of fans.  But what do people actually think he is? 

Dude is 24 and has entered his peak.  There are no more significant leaps to be had.  What we saw early this year is a product of increased opportunity, not significant improvement.

Offensively Jaylen is the textbook definition of an empty numbers guy.  Or better yet, what you see is what you get.  He doesn’t have any gravity.  He isn’t running an offense or making guys better.  If his shot isn’t falling, he’s got nothing on offense.

Of course, fans yelling at him to drive to the basket when his shot isn’t falling fail to recognize that he can’t.  He can’t because his handle still isn’t there and he lacks diversity to his drives and other teams collapse on him because he can’t make them pay with the pass.  And no, the great players have options when their shot isn’t falling. 

In terms of defense, Jaylen isn’t a great defender, he a versatile one.  Now these guys are valuable for team defense because the other team will attack the weak link.  If you can minimize the weak links, you can have a good defense and brown is valuable in that sense. 

I’ve always considered jaylens ceiling as a number 3 on a championship contender.  Our problem is that we don’t have a number 2.  Kemba getting his game back our only shot at making any real noise in the post season.  And by noise I mean getting out of the first round.

I’m fully aware that I will be called reactionary.  But a 24 year old supposed superstar should not be having so many games like this.  But if you disagree, fine.  Tell me where I’m wrong.  Don’t give me a nothing response that only shows that you don’t have one.

#3 on a Championship contender is a positive thing

Also below is a stat comp of Beal at 24 and Brown this season

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=bealbr01&p1yrfrom=2018&player_id2=brownja02&p2yrfrom=2021


These are Beal's stats at 24 compared to this season

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=bealbr01&p1yrfrom=2018&player_id2=brownja02&p2yrfrom=2021&player_id3=bealbr01&p3yrfrom=2021

Also if you looking at Leonards statshe made a jump from 23-24 then again at 25
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html

Historically players stop making big leaps after their 5th year.  That is the same for both Beal and Leonard (as they were essentially the same players from that point on with just some change in role or touches). Even guys that started slow and took big leaps, like Kobe, Giannis, and Butler didn't make huge leaps after their 5th year. Players don't stop improving, but it is really rare for someone to make a massive leap at any time after their 5th year in the league.  As Brown is in his 5th year, it is unlikely he is going to continue to make massive leaps and he is most likely the player he is going to be with some small improvement or tweaks here or there.  Any one truly expecting Brown to continue to make big leaps is hoping for a historical rarity to occur and I just wouldn't put my faith in historical rarities.  Tatum should have one more jump in him as he is only in year 4 and the vast majority of players do continue to make leaps for the first five years (even someone like Lebron still made decent improvement from year 4 to 5). 

[BruceBanner18]

Not accounting for specifics like chemistry, to win now the J's would need a true number one option/top 10 player making them 2 and 3 option. Think beal, harden, leonard, lebron, AD, Durant, Embid level players.

In a cpl years, perhaps they grow into 1 and 2 options. It may even be likely but lots can happen to throw a player off the path to superstardom.

[coco]

The guy we need to trade is Kemba.

Kemba is not the scorer he used to be and it is hurting us

[NKY fan]

Not accounting for specifics like chemistry, to win now the J's would need a true number one option/top 10 player making them 2 and 3 option. Think beal, harden, leonard, lebron, AD, Durant, Embid level players.

In a cpl years, perhaps they grow into 1 and 2 options. It may even be likely but lots can happen to throw a player off the path to superstardom.

Some of those will fall off in a couple years and that will give Tatum a chance to be considered top 10 player.
You left out Doncic. He is the one we could say is our number one option. That trade for Irving is going to haunt us for years. If we had the nets pick during his draft we could have at least attempt to trade up to 3 with all the other promising picks we had coming. Still bummed about that

[Moranis]

Not accounting for specifics like chemistry, to win now the J's would need a true number one option/top 10 player making them 2 and 3 option. Think beal, harden, leonard, lebron, AD, Durant, Embid level players.

In a cpl years, perhaps they grow into 1 and 2 options. It may even be likely but lots can happen to throw a player off the path to superstardom.

Tatum is currently better than Beal.

[LilRip]

I don't think he's untouchable like Tatum, but I wouldn't trade him for Beal

In a vacuum I would because Beal has a higher talent level overall, but given our current team and it’s foreseeable future? I wouldn’t. Kemba-Beal isn’t a great backcourt

[Vermont Green]

Here’s what I know:

You can win a championship with Jaylen Brown as your #2

The question we are all trying to figure out is:

Can you win a championship with Tatum as your #1?

I think the answer to either of these questions depends largely on who the #3 on the team is and to a somewhat lesser degree, who 4-10 are.  Right now, our #3 is Kemba Walker and our 4-10 is pretty weak.  I think we are just fine in terms of our #1 and #2.  Our 1-2 punch is already better than all but the best teams' top 2 and is younger than any teams'.

Kemba is still a good player as a #3 but this particular team would be much better served by a solid big as the #3.   Kemba would be a great #3 for example on the Sixers to compliment Embiid and Simmons for example.  Or even Milwaukee, Denver...

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Here’s what I know:

You can win a championship with Jaylen Brown as your #2

The question we are all trying to figure out is:

Can you win a championship with Tatum as your #1?

I think the answer to either of these questions depends largely on who the #3 on the team is and to a somewhat lesser degree, who 4-10 are.  Right now, our #3 is Kemba Walker and our 4-10 is pretty weak.  I think we are just fine in terms of our #1 and #2.  Our 1-2 punch is already better than all but the best teams' top 2 and is younger than any teams'.

Kemba is still a good player as a #3 but this particular team would be much better served by a solid big as the #3.   Kemba would be a great #3 for example on the Sixers to compliment Embiid and Simmons for example.  Or even Milwaukee, Denver...

I completely agree that a star big would have more impact than a star PG with Tatum and Brown. The only exception is Steph Curry.

[slamtheking]

Here’s what I know:

You can win a championship with Jaylen Brown as your #2

The question we are all trying to figure out is:

Can you win a championship with Tatum as your #1?

I think the answer to either of these questions depends largely on who the #3 on the team is and to a somewhat lesser degree, who 4-10 are.  Right now, our #3 is Kemba Walker and our 4-10 is pretty weak.  I think we are just fine in terms of our #1 and #2.  Our 1-2 punch is already better than all but the best teams' top 2 and is younger than any teams'.

Kemba is still a good player as a #3 but this particular team would be much better served by a solid big as the #3.   Kemba would be a great #3 for example on the Sixers to compliment Embiid and Simmons for example.  Or even Milwaukee, Denver...

I think Kemba works as a 3A if someone like Gordon Hayward is your 3B.   when there's a real drop-off from Kemba to your next best player, such as our current situation, there's a roster too weak to accomplish a lot.

[droopdog7]

Brown is awful awful awful making decisions with the ball.  And he’s average at getting the shot he wants.  I don’t how anyone can deny that, and I don’t see how that’s anything close to a a star.

[gouki88]

Brown is awful awful awful making decisions with the ball.  And he’s average at getting the shot he wants.  I don’t how anyone can deny that, and I don’t see how that’s anything close to a a star.

Average at getting the shots he wants yet shoots 50% from the field and 40% from 3. An awful decision-maker yet his pass:assist ratio is by far the highest on the team, whereas his turnover % is basically the same as all the other starter-level players on the team besides Tatum.

That's probably how probably how people can deny it. Oh, and he was an All-Star comfortably, to your third point.

Everyone gets that you don't like him. Being unable to understand that people might see differently to you, however, I don't think people will get.

[nickagneta]

The more people complain about Jaylen, the louder the moans about his game get, the better Jaylen gets. Brown's proven that time and time again the last 4 years.

So rant away. That only means JB will get better and will be an easy All-NBA player next year. 🤗😎