Jaylen brown rant

[droopdog7]

First, anyone that wouldn’t trade Brown for someone like Beal is smoking.  And yes, I know that’s the majority of fans.  But what do people actually think he is? 

Dude is 24 and has entered his peak.  There are no more significant leaps to be had.  What we saw early this year is a product of increased opportunity, not significant improvement.

Offensively Jaylen is the textbook definition of an empty numbers guy.  Or better yet, what you see is what you get.  He doesn’t have any gravity.  He isn’t running an offense or making guys better.  If his shot isn’t falling, he’s got nothing on offense.

Of course, fans yelling at him to drive to the basket when his shot isn’t falling fail to recognize that he can’t.  He can’t because his handle still isn’t there and he lacks diversity to his drives and other teams collapse on him because he can’t make them pay with the pass.  And no, the great players have options when their shot isn’t falling. 

In terms of defense, Jaylen isn’t a great defender, he a versatile one.  Now these guys are valuable for team defense because the other team will attack the weak link.  If you can minimize the weak links, you can have a good defense and brown is valuable in that sense. 

I’ve always considered jaylens ceiling as a number 3 on a championship contender.  Our problem is that we don’t have a number 2.  Kemba getting his game back our only shot at making any real noise in the post season.  And by noise I mean getting out of the first round.

I’m fully aware that I will be called reactionary.  But a 24 year old supposed superstar should not be having so many games like this.  But if you disagree, fine.  Tell me where I’m wrong.  Don’t give me a nothing response that only shows that you don’t have one.

[Celtics4ever]

If this is true why it is Brown has improved every year including this one?   That kind of torpedoes your whole premise.   He is hurting with tendonitis right now too, which explains the recent drop off.

How do you know he has peaked?  He plays darn good D, and isn't an empty numbers guy.   I might trade him for Beal still but your argument is not convincing

[Roy H.]

Tell me where I’m wrong.

Pretty much everywhere?

The guy was selected as one of the top 24 players in the NBA this year. Since there are 30 teams, it is hard to envision him as a third option on a championship team. How many teams have three All-Stars? One?

I also disagree with the idea that he cannot drive, as about 40% of his offense comes from within 10 feet of the basket.  He finishes at the rim very efficiently, and leads the team in FTA.

Lastly, it seems odd to project that he has reached his ceiling, when he has improved so much the last two seasons.

[NKY fan]

It’s not that I completely disagree with the OP. But we have no other option but to let Brown development run it’s course.
Now if Romeo starts shooting close to 40% from three a trade for Beal ( straight up for Brown) could make some sense for all parties... including to make sure Tatum would resign the super max in 4 or 5 years because his friend is also a Celtic ( Beal on super max too). It’s not the worst position to be in for the next 10 years.
Actually I can be talked into this scenario pretty easy lol

[Roy H.]

As an aside, I really don’t understand when people point the finger at either of the Jays. Neither are perfect, but they are a hell of a lot better than anybody else on the roster.

[Celtics2021]

TP for the reactionary take not rooted in reality.  Brown has had two games this season where he shot under 30%.  For comparison, Bradley Beal, in his age 24 season in which he made his 1st All-Star game, had 12 such outings, or roughly 1 in 7 games.  He also had one in the playoffs that year.

But Jaylen can’t improve, because he’s had a couple of clunkers?  I can’t imagine your posts if we had Beal in 2017.

[Donoghus]

As an aside, I really don’t understand when people point the finger at either of the Jays. Neither are perfect, but they are a hell of a lot better than anybody else on the roster.

Maybe we're drifting away from "It's all Brad's fault when we lose" and "It's because of the players when we win" mentality on here?

[PhoSita]

Jaylen has consistently improved every year he's been in the league. 

He's come a long way as a playmaker.

He's got ideal size for a wing.

He's developed his ability to score from every part of the court.

Very hard to find wings who put up 25-5-5 on efficient scoring.


Not to mention that he's highly regarded by his peers around the league for his activism off the court, which is an important asset to have from a team-building perspective.


Jaylen is not going to carry the team, but he's a very good #2.



Is Bradley Beal better?  Right now, sure.  He's also been in the league a lot longer, will cost even more money, and has less years on his contract.

You make your team better by finding a way to get a player like Beal on your roster to put next to Tatum and Brown.  You don't trade Brown to get him.

[Roy H.]

As an aside, I really don’t understand when people point the finger at either of the Jays. Neither are perfect, but they are a hell of a lot better than anybody else on the roster.

Maybe we're drifting away from "It's all Brad's fault when we lose" and "It's because of the players when we win" mentality on here?

I prefer the “it’s all my fault because I didn’t wear my lucky t-shirt” reasoning.

[droopdog7]

If this is true why it is Brown has improved every year including this one?   That kind of torpedoes your whole premise.   He is hurting with tendonitis right now too, which explains the recent drop off.

How do you know he has peaked?  He plays darn good D, and isn't an empty numbers guy.   I might trade him for Beal still but your argument is not convincing

Does’t really torpedo my argument because his numbers have gone up as the people ahead of him have left.  It’s exactly my point.  Somebody had to score, and their numbers will go up, but it doesn’t make them better.

[Vermont Green]

Yeah, if you want to argue that Jaylen is still a somewhat rough around the edges, imperfect player, then I could agree.  If your point is that Beal is better right now, also a fair point.  But I am not sure how anyone can say definitively that he is not going to improve anymore.

First of all, no one can know this but even that aside, there are late bloomers all the time.  I think of Chancy Billups and Reggie Lewis as examples.  I could easily see Jaylen Brown following the Billups development path and being a key element of a championship team as the high point of his career.

And even if Jaylen does not get any better, he is still pretty good right now.  But I predict that he will get better, more mature, more consistent, and potentially a lot better.  But that is only a guess.

[Ed Monix]

I think Brown is always going to improve in some fashion as his work ethic is second to none given his starting point. Remember he asked multiple times to play in the Las Vegas summer league, when it is nearly unheard of a top pick these days to have any involvement...I believe the second time Ainge tried to convince him to have a break instead of playing.

This is a guy that is actually happy to play second fiddle to Tatum, which firstly is huge given that Brown is older and was in the team before Tatum, name a young star that has done this before? Secondly is Beal going to do the same thing?

Even though Beal is currently the superior player, is he going to cover Tatum’s weaknesses, like Brown does (defended the teams best guy). Beal is coming off contract soon also and like Irving we are at risk again to lose him for nothing and if that included trading Brown, it would set the franchise back perhaps a decade, Tatum’s prime and Ainge’s job. Beal is also only 6’3 (on a good day) so given his current defensive limitation he could be a train wreck after 30.

These are things you need to factor in when wanting to make a major trade and that is why Ainge is extremely careful before pulling the trigger.

[nickagneta]

droop, you haven't been high on Brown like ever.

You harped on about his lack of a handle, lack of ability to do anything but a straight drive, about his lack of shot, about his lack of BBIQ and have been shown to be wrong time and time and time again over the last several years regarding Brown.

This post is simply not based in reality but more so in your distaste for Brown, which you've had for years.

He had a bad game last night. He has had 3-4 bad games this year. But he has also been absolutely amazing for 25-30 games and he's been, without a doubt, the most consistent Celtic all year.

He is extremely intelligent and has an amazing work ethic. Every year he comes back better and brings new weapons to his arsenal. I'm not sure what more you expect out of this amazing talent before just admitting you were dead wrong on the guy and cheer him on.

[wiley]

Both Jays just need to keep growing.  No substitute for growth through age and experience.  They both (longer term Tatum, more recently Brown) have gotten into a bit too much iso play with their status as stars.  That includes too much flash with high level of difficulty, leading to turnovers, and too much thinking the refs will just call fouls because you did you something fancy and there may have been contact.  No.  Forget the refs and get back to winning plays that create dynamic team play. 

Just my attempted headstart on those long months and years needed to grow into true leaders...

In any case, the Jays will need help.  Shipping either out is not the answer.

[Tr1boy]

First, anyone that wouldn’t trade Brown for someone like Beal is smoking.  And yes, I know that’s the majority of fans.  But what do people actually think he is? 

Dude is 24 and has entered his peak.  There are no more significant leaps to be had.  What we saw early this year is a product of increased opportunity, not significant improvement.

Offensively Jaylen is the textbook definition of an empty numbers guy.  Or better yet, what you see is what you get.  He doesn’t have any gravity.  He isn’t running an offense or making guys better.  If his shot isn’t falling, he’s got nothing on offense.

Of course, fans yelling at him to drive to the basket when his shot isn’t falling fail to recognize that he can’t.  He can’t because his handle still isn’t there and he lacks diversity to his drives and other teams collapse on him because he can’t make them pay with the pass.  And no, the great players have options when their shot isn’t falling. 

In terms of defense, Jaylen isn’t a great defender, he a versatile one.  Now these guys are valuable for team defense because the other team will attack the weak link.  If you can minimize the weak links, you can have a good defense and brown is valuable in that sense. 

I’ve always considered jaylens ceiling as a number 3 on a championship contender.  Our problem is that we don’t have a number 2.  Kemba getting his game back our only shot at making any real noise in the post season.  And by noise I mean getting out of the first round.

I’m fully aware that I will be called reactionary.  But a 24 year old supposed superstar should not be having so many games like this.  But if you disagree, fine.  Tell me where I’m wrong.  Don’t give me a nothing response that only shows that you don’t have one.

I agree with many of your points

And waiting for Kemba to have his game comeback?? How long is it going to take?

He is back. Just wont be the Hornets Walker version

I would trade Brown and Walker(three way) for Beal.

Danny cant do anything unless either Beal request out or Wiz want to do a complete rebuild