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Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
« Reply #195 on: May 24, 2021, 03:55:23 PM »

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Forget Bane. I’m p---ed that Danny took Ojeleye over Dillon Brooks in 2017.

That’s a shame indeed. Dillon Brooks was a pain in the behind when we played the Grizz. Respect. He would’ve looked very good in green.

My personal what-ifs: in 2016 don’t pick Yabu and Zizic, pick LeVert and DeJounte Murray.
I suspect that if the team had roster space to keep those picks on the roster immediately rather than have to draft-and-stash, Danny would have picked players other than Yabu and Zizic.  not saying he'd have taken Levert and Murray but I feel confident he'd have picked a couple of players that would have been better than Y and Z.

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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.

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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.
He traded the pick, not Bane. Danny used the pick to dump Kanter's contract, not because of any redundancy issues on the team. It was actually Memphis who determined who got picked there, not Danny.

But if Hayward wasn't going to sign here and there was no sign and trade to Indy for him, Ainge had Thompson as the replacement for Kanter and he knew he had to use the full MLE to get him and that would hardcap the team.

Ainge had a ton of different scenarios that could have played out after the draft and I think they wanted to move on from Kanter because his awful defense didn't mesh with Stevens system. So Kanter had to go and apparently the price was the last pick in the 1st round. Hence no Bane.

I actually think if Danny could have moved Kanter without giving up that pick, Bane wouldn't have gotten picked. I think Tillman, Maledon or Carey would have been the pick, but that's just my opinion.

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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.
He traded the pick, not Bane. Danny used the pick to dump Kanter's contract, not because of any redundancy issues on the team. It was actually Memphis who determined who got picked there, not Danny.

But if Hayward wasn't going to sign here and there was no sign and trade to Indy for him, Ainge had Thompson as the replacement for Kanter and he knew he had to use the full MLE to get him and that would hardcap the team.

Ainge had a ton of different scenarios that could have played out after the draft and I think they wanted to move on from Kanter because his awful defense didn't mesh with Stevens system. So Kanter had to go and apparently the price was the last pick in the 1st round. Hence no Bane.

I actually think if Danny could have moved Kanter without giving up that pick, Bane wouldn't have gotten picked. I think Tillman, Maledon or Carey would have been the pick, but that's just my opinion.

How do you know that Danny wouldn't have kept Bane if he kept the pick. I haven't heard this from anyone but you.

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« Reply #199 on: May 24, 2021, 06:36:38 PM »

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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.
He traded the pick, not Bane. Danny used the pick to dump Kanter's contract, not because of any redundancy issues on the team. It was actually Memphis who determined who got picked there, not Danny.

But if Hayward wasn't going to sign here and there was no sign and trade to Indy for him, Ainge had Thompson as the replacement for Kanter and he knew he had to use the full MLE to get him and that would hardcap the team.

Ainge had a ton of different scenarios that could have played out after the draft and I think they wanted to move on from Kanter because his awful defense didn't mesh with Stevens system. So Kanter had to go and apparently the price was the last pick in the 1st round. Hence no Bane.

I actually think if Danny could have moved Kanter without giving up that pick, Bane wouldn't have gotten picked. I think Tillman, Maledon or Carey would have been the pick, but that's just my opinion.

The thing is, Danny *could* have traded Kanter without giving up the pick.  Portland gladly traded for him, and didn't require a draft pick. 

I have no earthly idea why Danny didn't just trade Kanter to Portland and keep #30.  My guess is that he didn't want the guaranteed salary of another rookie, but he just seemingly got really bad value.


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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.
He traded the pick, not Bane. Danny used the pick to dump Kanter's contract, not because of any redundancy issues on the team. It was actually Memphis who determined who got picked there, not Danny.

But if Hayward wasn't going to sign here and there was no sign and trade to Indy for him, Ainge had Thompson as the replacement for Kanter and he knew he had to use the full MLE to get him and that would hardcap the team.

Ainge had a ton of different scenarios that could have played out after the draft and I think they wanted to move on from Kanter because his awful defense didn't mesh with Stevens system. So Kanter had to go and apparently the price was the last pick in the 1st round. Hence no Bane.

I actually think if Danny could have moved Kanter without giving up that pick, Bane wouldn't have gotten picked. I think Tillman, Maledon or Carey would have been the pick, but that's just my opinion.

The thing is, Danny *could* have traded Kanter without giving up the pick.  Portland gladly traded for him, and didn't require a draft pick. 

I have no earthly idea why Danny didn't just trade Kanter to Portland and keep #30.  My guess is that he didn't want the guaranteed salary of another rookie, but he just seemingly got really bad value.

Yeah, I've seen the idea that Danny used #30 to dump Kanter all over the place (not just on CS). I'm not really sure where that is even coming from. It was my understanding that we essentially did POR and Kanter a favor by reconnecting them. Kanter could have just opted out - it wasn't like he was making killer money by picking up his option.

The draft pick thing is strange. I remember on draft night that everybody was psyched that we picked up a future 1st by trading #30 to MEM, but then it came out that it was really just two 2nds (same thing happened when we traded Theis and come to find out there was zero draft compensation coming our way). I guess, whatever. The #30 pick is one pick away from being a 2nd rounder and I'm not sure that we would have drafted Bane as our guy anyway.

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« Reply #201 on: May 24, 2021, 07:31:10 PM »

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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.
He traded the pick, not Bane. Danny used the pick to dump Kanter's contract, not because of any redundancy issues on the team. It was actually Memphis who determined who got picked there, not Danny.

But if Hayward wasn't going to sign here and there was no sign and trade to Indy for him, Ainge had Thompson as the replacement for Kanter and he knew he had to use the full MLE to get him and that would hardcap the team.

Ainge had a ton of different scenarios that could have played out after the draft and I think they wanted to move on from Kanter because his awful defense didn't mesh with Stevens system. So Kanter had to go and apparently the price was the last pick in the 1st round. Hence no Bane.

I actually think if Danny could have moved Kanter without giving up that pick, Bane wouldn't have gotten picked. I think Tillman, Maledon or Carey would have been the pick, but that's just my opinion.

How do you know that Danny wouldn't have kept Bane if he kept the pick. I haven't heard this from anyone but you.
Redundancy. They had Langford, Nesmith and Edwards they would be developing and still had Smart and Brown that would be garnering a ton of minutes in that slot.

I mean, they could have taken Bane, but given the depth and the amount of youth needed to develop at that position, it would make no sense. So getting a center, PF or even another PG makes more sense to me.

But yeah, they could have kept the pick and selected Bane, it just makes no sense why they would given the earlier pick and players on the roster.
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Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.
He traded the pick, not Bane. Danny used the pick to dump Kanter's contract, not because of any redundancy issues on the team. It was actually Memphis who determined who got picked there, not Danny.

But if Hayward wasn't going to sign here and there was no sign and trade to Indy for him, Ainge had Thompson as the replacement for Kanter and he knew he had to use the full MLE to get him and that would hardcap the team.

Ainge had a ton of different scenarios that could have played out after the draft and I think they wanted to move on from Kanter because his awful defense didn't mesh with Stevens system. So Kanter had to go and apparently the price was the last pick in the 1st round. Hence no Bane.

I actually think if Danny could have moved Kanter without giving up that pick, Bane wouldn't have gotten picked. I think Tillman, Maledon or Carey would have been the pick, but that's just my opinion.

The thing is, Danny *could* have traded Kanter without giving up the pick.  Portland gladly traded for him, and didn't require a draft pick. 

I have no earthly idea why Danny didn't just trade Kanter to Portland and keep #30.  My guess is that he didn't want the guaranteed salary of another rookie, but he just seemingly got really bad value.
Danny didn't want salary coming back so paid Memphis the 1st rounder in exchange for the 2 future 2nd rounders in order to take on Mario Hezonja' s contract from Portland.

So sure, the Kanter to Portland with no pick involved would have worked, but then Ainge is paying someone else to get rid of whoever was coming to Boston from Portland because he wanted to shed salary.

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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.
He traded the pick, not Bane. Danny used the pick to dump Kanter's contract, not because of any redundancy issues on the team. It was actually Memphis who determined who got picked there, not Danny.

But if Hayward wasn't going to sign here and there was no sign and trade to Indy for him, Ainge had Thompson as the replacement for Kanter and he knew he had to use the full MLE to get him and that would hardcap the team.

Ainge had a ton of different scenarios that could have played out after the draft and I think they wanted to move on from Kanter because his awful defense didn't mesh with Stevens system. So Kanter had to go and apparently the price was the last pick in the 1st round. Hence no Bane.

I actually think if Danny could have moved Kanter without giving up that pick, Bane wouldn't have gotten picked. I think Tillman, Maledon or Carey would have been the pick, but that's just my opinion.

The thing is, Danny *could* have traded Kanter without giving up the pick.  Portland gladly traded for him, and didn't require a draft pick. 

I have no earthly idea why Danny didn't just trade Kanter to Portland and keep #30.  My guess is that he didn't want the guaranteed salary of another rookie, but he just seemingly got really bad value.
Danny didn't want salary coming back so paid Memphis the 1st rounder in exchange for the 2 future 2nd rounders in order to take on Mario Hezonja' s contract from Portland.

So sure, the Kanter to Portland with no pick involved would have worked, but then Ainge is paying someone else to get rid of whoever was coming to Boston from Portland because he wanted to shed salary.

So the Celtics just keep cheaping out.

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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.
He traded the pick, not Bane. Danny used the pick to dump Kanter's contract, not because of any redundancy issues on the team. It was actually Memphis who determined who got picked there, not Danny.

But if Hayward wasn't going to sign here and there was no sign and trade to Indy for him, Ainge had Thompson as the replacement for Kanter and he knew he had to use the full MLE to get him and that would hardcap the team.

Ainge had a ton of different scenarios that could have played out after the draft and I think they wanted to move on from Kanter because his awful defense didn't mesh with Stevens system. So Kanter had to go and apparently the price was the last pick in the 1st round. Hence no Bane.

I actually think if Danny could have moved Kanter without giving up that pick, Bane wouldn't have gotten picked. I think Tillman, Maledon or Carey would have been the pick, but that's just my opinion.

The thing is, Danny *could* have traded Kanter without giving up the pick.  Portland gladly traded for him, and didn't require a draft pick. 

I have no earthly idea why Danny didn't just trade Kanter to Portland and keep #30.  My guess is that he didn't want the guaranteed salary of another rookie, but he just seemingly got really bad value.
Danny didn't want salary coming back so paid Memphis the 1st rounder in exchange for the 2 future 2nd rounders in order to take on Mario Hezonja' s contract from Portland.

So sure, the Kanter to Portland with no pick involved would have worked, but then Ainge is paying someone else to get rid of whoever was coming to Boston from Portland because he wanted to shed salary.

It seems like Danny could have fairly easily gotten another team to take on MH's minimum contract for cash and a #2, perhaps a protected #2.  Or, we could have kept him, for the same salary we spent on Javonte Green.
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Re: Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.
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Forget Bane. I’m p---ed that Danny took Ojeleye over Dillon Brooks in 2017.

Yeah, good call. Danny just isn’t good at identifying talent in the late first and second round. Look at the players on Memphis:

Brooks 2nd round #45
Anderson 1st round #30
Melton 2nd round #46
Allen 1st Round #21
Jones 1st round #24
Bane 1st round #30
Tillman 2nd Round #35

Step it up, Danny.
Anderson was drafted by the Spurs.  Melton by Phoenix.  Allen by Utah.  Jones by Minnesota. 
So only 3 of those were drafted by Memphis with Bane and Tillman from this past draft.

I didn’t say that they were all drafted by Memphis.  Point is, they were all late first and second round players. The talent is out there in the late first and second round. Danny needs to do a better job finding it.
You mean like my fav, Robert Williams?  Most folks on here seem to like Pritchard.  I definitely thought trading away the Bane pick was dumb considering the deadwood on the bench but Danny does a pretty good job drafting.   

Rob was not a find..he was there because of injury concerns.

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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.
He traded the pick, not Bane. Danny used the pick to dump Kanter's contract, not because of any redundancy issues on the team. It was actually Memphis who determined who got picked there, not Danny.

But if Hayward wasn't going to sign here and there was no sign and trade to Indy for him, Ainge had Thompson as the replacement for Kanter and he knew he had to use the full MLE to get him and that would hardcap the team.

Ainge had a ton of different scenarios that could have played out after the draft and I think they wanted to move on from Kanter because his awful defense didn't mesh with Stevens system. So Kanter had to go and apparently the price was the last pick in the 1st round. Hence no Bane.

I actually think if Danny could have moved Kanter without giving up that pick, Bane wouldn't have gotten picked. I think Tillman, Maledon or Carey would have been the pick, but that's just my opinion.

The thing is, Danny *could* have traded Kanter without giving up the pick.  Portland gladly traded for him, and didn't require a draft pick. 

I have no earthly idea why Danny didn't just trade Kanter to Portland and keep #30.  My guess is that he didn't want the guaranteed salary of another rookie, but he just seemingly got really bad value.
Danny didn't want salary coming back so paid Memphis the 1st rounder in exchange for the 2 future 2nd rounders in order to take on Mario Hezonja' s contract from Portland.

So sure, the Kanter to Portland with no pick involved would have worked, but then Ainge is paying someone else to get rid of whoever was coming to Boston from Portland because he wanted to shed salary.

It seems like Danny could have fairly easily gotten another team to take on MH's minimum contract for cash and a #2, perhaps a protected #2.  Or, we could have kept him, for the same salary we spent on Javonte Green.
And yet they would still have the guaranteed $2 million contract of the #30 pick. Danny got rid of Kanter's salary plus the $2 million he would have had to pay the #30 pick. Could he have done a bunch of different deals to end up in the same spot but keeping the #30 pick? I guess but I don't know how simple it would have been and I don't know if Ainge valued anyone else in that class above the players he had.

Bane, at least for a year, looks like a good pick and in retrospect, a player Danny maybe should have valued more. But at the time of the draft, Ainge could have thought anyone left on the board was worse than what he had.

I just don't get all the fuss over a #30 pick. For all we know, if Ainge kept the pick he could have chosen Tyrell Terry or Tyler Bey or Elijah Hughes and that player would almost never have played and instead of being able to cut Javonte Green to add Jabari Parker, he might have had to spend more assets to dump another guy to add Parker.

I just don't see that this was some major miscue. We're talking about a #30 pick and some low upside players that were available. To me, it's no biggie.

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Forget Bane. I’m p---ed that Danny took Ojeleye over Dillon Brooks in 2017.

Yeah, good call. Danny just isn’t good at identifying talent in the late first and second round. Look at the players on Memphis:

Brooks 2nd round #45
Anderson 1st round #30
Melton 2nd round #46
Allen 1st Round #21
Jones 1st round #24
Bane 1st round #30
Tillman 2nd Round #35

Step it up, Danny.
Anderson was drafted by the Spurs.  Melton by Phoenix.  Allen by Utah.  Jones by Minnesota. 
So only 3 of those were drafted by Memphis with Bane and Tillman from this past draft.

I didn’t say that they were all drafted by Memphis.  Point is, they were all late first and second round players. The talent is out there in the late first and second round. Danny needs to do a better job finding it.
You mean like my fav, Robert Williams?  Most folks on here seem to like Pritchard.  I definitely thought trading away the Bane pick was dumb considering the deadwood on the bench but Danny does a pretty good job drafting.   

Rob was not a find..he was there because of injury concerns.
He was late lottery talent available late in the 1st.  The Lakers and Sixers picking right in front of us stupidly passed on him.  Danny was smart enough to take him. 

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Forget Bane. I’m p---ed that Danny took Ojeleye over Dillon Brooks in 2017.

Yeah, good call. Danny just isn’t good at identifying talent in the late first and second round. Look at the players on Memphis:

Brooks 2nd round #45
Anderson 1st round #30
Melton 2nd round #46
Allen 1st Round #21
Jones 1st round #24
Bane 1st round #30
Tillman 2nd Round #35

Step it up, Danny.
Anderson was drafted by the Spurs.  Melton by Phoenix.  Allen by Utah.  Jones by Minnesota. 
So only 3 of those were drafted by Memphis with Bane and Tillman from this past draft.

I didn’t say that they were all drafted by Memphis.  Point is, they were all late first and second round players. The talent is out there in the late first and second round. Danny needs to do a better job finding it.
You mean like my fav, Robert Williams?  Most folks on here seem to like Pritchard.  I definitely thought trading away the Bane pick was dumb considering the deadwood on the bench but Danny does a pretty good job drafting.   

Rob was not a find..he was there because of injury concerns.
He was late lottery talent available late in the 1st.  The Lakers and Sixers picking right in front of us stupidly passed on him.  Danny was smart enough to take him.
Obviously Danny deserves no credit for that
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I think Danny traded rights to Bane because he thought he would be redundant to Grant Williams, who has a similar physical profile and ceiling. He may have projected that G Williams would continue to develop as a 3 point shooter on more volume, which obviously didn't happen.  I'm sure Ainge regrets the move, but have to move on.
He traded the pick, not Bane. Danny used the pick to dump Kanter's contract, not because of any redundancy issues on the team. It was actually Memphis who determined who got picked there, not Danny.

But if Hayward wasn't going to sign here and there was no sign and trade to Indy for him, Ainge had Thompson as the replacement for Kanter and he knew he had to use the full MLE to get him and that would hardcap the team.

Ainge had a ton of different scenarios that could have played out after the draft and I think they wanted to move on from Kanter because his awful defense didn't mesh with Stevens system. So Kanter had to go and apparently the price was the last pick in the 1st round. Hence no Bane.

I actually think if Danny could have moved Kanter without giving up that pick, Bane wouldn't have gotten picked. I think Tillman, Maledon or Carey would have been the pick, but that's just my opinion.

The thing is, Danny *could* have traded Kanter without giving up the pick.  Portland gladly traded for him, and didn't require a draft pick. 

I have no earthly idea why Danny didn't just trade Kanter to Portland and keep #30.  My guess is that he didn't want the guaranteed salary of another rookie, but he just seemingly got really bad value.
Danny didn't want salary coming back so paid Memphis the 1st rounder in exchange for the 2 future 2nd rounders in order to take on Mario Hezonja' s contract from Portland.

So sure, the Kanter to Portland with no pick involved would have worked, but then Ainge is paying someone else to get rid of whoever was coming to Boston from Portland because he wanted to shed salary.

It seems like Danny could have fairly easily gotten another team to take on MH's minimum contract for cash and a #2, perhaps a protected #2.  Or, we could have kept him, for the same salary we spent on Javonte Green.
And yet they would still have the guaranteed $2 million contract of the #30 pick. Danny got rid of Kanter's salary plus the $2 million he would have had to pay the #30 pick. Could he have done a bunch of different deals to end up in the same spot but keeping the #30 pick? I guess but I don't know how simple it would have been and I don't know if Ainge valued anyone else in that class above the players he had.

Bane, at least for a year, looks like a good pick and in retrospect, a player Danny maybe should have valued more. But at the time of the draft, Ainge could have thought anyone left on the board was worse than what he had.

I just don't get all the fuss over a #30 pick. For all we know, if Ainge kept the pick he could have chosen Tyrell Terry or Tyler Bey or Elijah Hughes and that player would almost never have played and instead of being able to cut Javonte Green to add Jabari Parker, he might have had to spend more assets to dump another guy to add Parker.

I just don't see that this was some major miscue. We're talking about a #30 pick and some low upside players that were available. To me, it's no biggie.

Don't give out a bunch of money to players that you hope can play one day or guys that are in their late 20s and never showed anything.

It's more frustrating when I can pick out a guy who's ready to play and our management team can't.

The Greek Freak was a project that paned out. He was a home run.

Bane was NBA-ready for a team that fit his skillset perfectly. High floor low ceiling player that can dribble, pass, shoot, rebound, drive. He's a  role player that'll play ten years. He's the exact type of player this team needed but Danny is counting on Semi, Green, and Edwards.

Memphis just got him for nothing locked up long term.

Danny himself is always talking about hitting singles and doubles. Everything doesn't have to be a home run. Bane was a solid double.

Look at all the late picks that Memphis built their team on. It's frustrating. 

The role players on the 08' squad won us the chip. If we had KG, PP, RA, and this bench they don't win it.