Every time I watch Bane it makes me a little sick.

[Moranis]

I think Clarke being a better bench player would have helped us.   It means starters can take a breather.   Think of how many games we lost this year because of the bench.   Is he a world beater nope.   But would he have helped us, I think the extra 5 ppg could win you some close games.   He also is a better defender with a better defensive rating 113 for Grant and 109 for Clarke.   Those little margins would have not helped us in a blowout but a close game certainly.

I count 13 games we lost by less than 5 points so it could have made a difference possibly.

And Williams can actually spread the floor hitting the 3 at 37.2%, which is actually the most useful thing either of them does. 

He can shoot but he can rarely get it off unless wide open.   I can't believe that people are actually defending 4 points a game in 18 minutes which is quite frankly terrible.   No one respects Williams it is not like he spreads the floor heck his team mates don't even like to pass to him.

That actually has real value situationally. 

It does have  value situationally that can't be argued .  But you're literally getting next to nothing most of the time and he shoots 43% from the floor otherwise.   

My point is you could get a much better veteran  3 D guy who could better use those minutes and the 2019 draft thus far appears to be a bad one for us and our roster save Romeo and he still could break bad, I hope not.

Williams is a 50.8% shooter from 2 point range, that 43% is when you factor in his 3 point shooter which is above average.  His eFG% is 53.4 and his TS is 54.6.  Neither is great, but they certainly aren't poor either.  Williams is a better shooter from 3-10', 16' to 3 point, and 3 pointers.  In other words, he has much greater range than Clarke.  Clarke is however significantly better from 0-3' and shoots way more shots in that range, which is why his FG% is so much higher.  He is basically a significantly worse Andre Drummond offensively but without the rebounding. 

This strange notion that someone is mediocre as Brandon Clarke is going to make a difference for the team just isn't borne in reality.  The team has way more issues than a mediocre bench player that does absolutely nothing well except dunk the ball.

[Roy H.]

This strange notion that someone is mediocre as Brandon Clarke is going to make a difference for the team just isn't borne in reality.

Yeah, Clarke was either stagnant or regressed pretty much uniformly this season. 

[gouki88]

This strange notion that someone is mediocre as Brandon Clarke is going to make a difference for the team just isn't borne in reality.

Yeah, Clarke was either stagnant or regressed pretty much uniformly this season.

Memphis taking all the board favourites!

Clarke's shooting %s dropping by about 10% across the board (FG, 3PT, EFG, TS) is startling. Had no idea. Probably nervous about Tillman gunning for his spot

[liam]

Bane with a coast-to-coast drive, 4pts and 4 Rbs in 10 minutes.

[liam]

Bane was The Grizz 6th man tonight in the win.

[Celtics4ever]

Williams is a 50.8% shooter from 2 point range, that 43% is when you factor in his 3 point shooter which is above average.  His eFG% is 53.4 and his TS is 54.6.  Neither is great, but they certainly aren't poor either.  Williams is a better shooter from 3-10', 16' to 3 point, and 3 pointers.  In other words, he has much greater range than Clarke.  Clarke is however significantly better from 0-3' and shoots way more shots in that range, which is why his FG% is so much higher.  He is basically a significantly worse Andre Drummond offensively but without the rebounding

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This is true but you're really reaching for the bottom of the barrel here.   We all know Grant can't get his shot off unless it is the most favorable of circumstances.   Even he knows it.  The lack of lift is the problem.   So while he can shoot better he is not a better scorer because most of his shots are a swat waiting to happen.   I would also bet he leads the league in airballs and he has even air balled a layup.

The way one can tell you grasping is that you have had to cherry pick one stat shooting.  While I demonstrated several stats that Grant is not better and inferior to Clarke.  Grant is a better shooter but that does not have much value with his 4 points per game and inability to score.  He is not the defender or rebounder that Clarke is and you're pretending that those things do not matter in a game they do.   Five more points a game matter too.    Ability to shoot matters too but it is the one area that Grant is better that you're stat searched to make your argument.

This strange notion that someone is mediocre as Brandon Clarke is going to make a difference for the team just isn't borne in reality.  The team has way more issues than a mediocre bench player that does absolutely nothing well except dunk the ball.

Better rebounder and defender too and those things matter.   I think I have aptly proved my point and illustrated that an extra five points could have made a difference in 13 games.   Why didn't you refute that, you could not. 

I know you think you're being clever parroting my comment but truth be told I feel sorry for you as it a bad thing when a guy can't admit he is wrong.

Be honest if the draft was held today, who you pick Grant or Clarke?   I would pick Clarke.  Who would you pick?

Add Bane to a guy we should have kept over some of the bums in the 2019 draft.

[Moranis]

Williams is a 50.8% shooter from 2 point range, that 43% is when you factor in his 3 point shooter which is above average.  His eFG% is 53.4 and his TS is 54.6.  Neither is great, but they certainly aren't poor either.  Williams is a better shooter from 3-10', 16' to 3 point, and 3 pointers.  In other words, he has much greater range than Clarke.  Clarke is however significantly better from 0-3' and shoots way more shots in that range, which is why his FG% is so much higher.  He is basically a significantly worse Andre Drummond offensively but without the rebounding

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This is true but you're really reaching for the bottom of the barrel here.   We all know Grant can't get his shot off unless it is the most favorable of circumstances.   Even he knows it.  The lack of lift is the problem.   So while he can shoot better he is not a better scorer because most of his shots are a swat waiting to happen.   I would also bet he leads the league in airballs and he has even air balled a layup.

The way one can tell you grasping is that you have had to cherry pick one stat shooting.  While I demonstrated several stats that Grant is not better and inferior to Clarke.  Grant is a better shooter but that does not have much value with his 4 points per game and inability to score.  He is not the defender or rebounder that Clarke is and you're pretending that those things do not matter in a game they do.   Five more points a game matter too.    Ability to shoot matters too but it is the one area that Grant is better that you're stat searched to make your argument.

This strange notion that someone is mediocre as Brandon Clarke is going to make a difference for the team just isn't borne in reality.  The team has way more issues than a mediocre bench player that does absolutely nothing well except dunk the ball.

Better rebounder and defender too and those things matter.   I think I have aptly proved my point and illustrated that an extra five points could have made a difference in 13 games.   Why didn't you refute that, you could not. 

I know you think you're being clever parroting my comment but truth be told I feel sorry for you as it a bad thing when a guy can't admit he is wrong.

Be honest if the draft was held today, who you pick Grant or Clarke?   I would pick Clarke.  Who would you pick?

Add Bane to a guy we should have kept over some of the bums in the 2019 draft.

Except Clarke wouldn't score an extra 5 ppg more than Williams does.  They are on different teams with different roles.  Williams plays as much as he does because he is a good shooter that can hit the open shot.  If he didn't do that as well as he does, he wouldn't play nearly the minutes he does.  That is a useful skill to have.  Clarke doesn't fit that role.  He is very similar in court positioning to R. Williams and Thompson, and he isn't as good as they are.  As such, he would probably actually play less minutes than Williams because he doesn't do what Williams can i.e. stretch the floor.

Clarke is a better player than Williams in a vacuum, but he literally does nothing well and that makes you very limited as a bench player.  Bench players that do something at least above average, if not borderline well, have far more value as they make for better situational players.  Williams ability to stretch the floor is why he plays.  If he couldn't do that he wouldn't be playing.  Clarke can't stretch the floor and as such wouldn't be playing over RW or TT who are quite simply better than him. 

[footey]

Danny really did blow it trading Bane.  To me that was his worst decision last year.  We all make mistakes.   Move on.

[hwangjini_1]

good gobs of goo folks. an 11 page thread for a #30 draft pick by another team.

a guy with a nice floor and not high ceiling?

he is a rotation guy getting 22 minutes per game on a middle of the pack team. he is also a 6'2" shooting guard with short arms.

i do not see how he would have pulled the celtics into contention or won any significant number of games for the celtics.

11 pages on this guy? i must be on the CelticsStrong site. 

[liam]

Danny really did blow it trading Bane.  To me that was his worst decision last year.  We all make mistakes.   Move on.

NEVER!!!!

[liam]

good gobs of goo folks. an 11 page thread for a #30 draft pick by another team.

a guy with a nice floor and not high ceiling?

he is a rotation guy getting 22 minutes per game on a middle of the pack team. he is also a 6'2" shooting guard with short arms.

i do not see how he would have pulled the celtics into contention or won any significant number of games for the celtics.

11 pages on this guy? i must be on the CelticsStrong site. 

He was our # 30 pick which we traded for a couple of second-rounders so we could keep Javonte Green who we traded and he's 6'5". He's shooting 43% from 3 in his first year in the NBA.

[nickagneta]

good gobs of goo folks. an 11 page thread for a #30 draft pick by another team.

a guy with a nice floor and not high ceiling?

he is a rotation guy getting 22 minutes per game on a middle of the pack team. he is also a 6'2" shooting guard with short arms.

i do not see how he would have pulled the celtics into contention or won any significant number of games for the celtics.

11 pages on this guy? i must be on the CelticsStrong site. 

He was our # 30 pick which we traded for a couple of second-rounders so we could keep Javonte Green who we traded and he's 6'5". He's shooting 43% from 3 in his first year in the NBA.

Technically we traded the pick and chose the player Memphis wanted at that pick because the trade wouldn't be finalized until after the draft.

It's like when we drafted Rondo. It gets reported that Phoenix made the pick and traded him to Boston, but in reality, Boston determined who was picked then, not Phoenix. Same thing with Bane. Memphis decided who got picked there, not Ainge.

If the Celtics kept the pick there's every chance Bane wouldn't have been the pick because they picked Nesmith earlier in the draft and were still developing Langford. So getting all up in arms about Boston seemingly having him and then trading him away is just getting mad about something that didn't happen. If Ainge selects for Boston in that position, he could well and probably have taken Tillman, Carey, Maledon or Oturo.

[liam]

good gobs of goo folks. an 11 page thread for a #30 draft pick by another team.

a guy with a nice floor and not high ceiling?

he is a rotation guy getting 22 minutes per game on a middle of the pack team. he is also a 6'2" shooting guard with short arms.

i do not see how he would have pulled the celtics into contention or won any significant number of games for the celtics.

11 pages on this guy? i must be on the CelticsStrong site. 

He was our # 30 pick which we traded for a couple of second-rounders so we could keep Javonte Green who we traded and he's 6'5". He's shooting 43% from 3 in his first year in the NBA.

Technically we traded the pick and chose the player Memphis wanted at that pick because the trade wouldn't be finalized until after the draft.

It's like when we drafted Rondo. It gets reported that Phoenix made the pick and traded him to Boston, but in reality, Boston determined who was picked then, not Phoenix. Same thing with Bane. Memphis decided who got picked there, not Ainge.

If the Celtics kept the pick there's every chance Bane wouldn't have been the pick because they picked Nesmith earlier in the draft and were still developing Langford. So getting all up in arms about Boston seemingly having him and then trading him away is just getting mad about something that didn't happen. If Ainge selects for Boston in that position, he could well and probably have taken Tillman, Carey, Maledon or Oturo.

We should've kept the pick. Lots of solid players were available with that pick! Bane at 30 was a steal.

[Moranis]

good gobs of goo folks. an 11 page thread for a #30 draft pick by another team.

a guy with a nice floor and not high ceiling?

he is a rotation guy getting 22 minutes per game on a middle of the pack team. he is also a 6'2" shooting guard with short arms.

i do not see how he would have pulled the celtics into contention or won any significant number of games for the celtics.

11 pages on this guy? i must be on the CelticsStrong site. 

He was our # 30 pick which we traded for a couple of second-rounders so we could keep Javonte Green who we traded and he's 6'5". He's shooting 43% from 3 in his first year in the NBA.

Technically we traded the pick and chose the player Memphis wanted at that pick because the trade wouldn't be finalized until after the draft.

It's like when we drafted Rondo. It gets reported that Phoenix made the pick and traded him to Boston, but in reality, Boston determined who was picked then, not Phoenix. Same thing with Bane. Memphis decided who got picked there, not Ainge.

If the Celtics kept the pick there's every chance Bane wouldn't have been the pick because they picked Nesmith earlier in the draft and were still developing Langford. So getting all up in arms about Boston seemingly having him and then trading him away is just getting mad about something that didn't happen. If Ainge selects for Boston in that position, he could well and probably have taken Tillman, Carey, Maledon or Oturo.

Maledon would have been fantastic, but he took Pritchard earlier so I doubt he would have been the pick. As I've said elsewhere, I think Maledon is the guy that got away from the C's at the end of the 1st round/early 2nd.  I think he has potential long term starter type talent.

[Roy H.]

good gobs of goo folks. an 11 page thread for a #30 draft pick by another team.

a guy with a nice floor and not high ceiling?

he is a rotation guy getting 22 minutes per game on a middle of the pack team. he is also a 6'2" shooting guard with short arms.

i do not see how he would have pulled the celtics into contention or won any significant number of games for the celtics.

11 pages on this guy? i must be on the CelticsStrong site. 

He was our # 30 pick which we traded for a couple of second-rounders so we could keep Javonte Green who we traded and he's 6'5". He's shooting 43% from 3 in his first year in the NBA.

Technically we traded the pick and chose the player Memphis wanted at that pick because the trade wouldn't be finalized until after the draft.

It's like when we drafted Rondo. It gets reported that Phoenix made the pick and traded him to Boston, but in reality, Boston determined who was picked then, not Phoenix. Same thing with Bane. Memphis decided who got picked there, not Ainge.

If the Celtics kept the pick there's every chance Bane wouldn't have been the pick because they picked Nesmith earlier in the draft and were still developing Langford. So getting all up in arms about Boston seemingly having him and then trading him away is just getting mad about something that didn't happen. If Ainge selects for Boston in that position, he could well and probably have taken Tillman, Carey, Maledon or Oturo.

Maledon would have been fantastic, but he took Pritchard earlier so I doubt he would have been the pick. As I've said elsewhere, I think Maledon is the guy that got away from the C's at the end of the 1st round/early 2nd.  I think he has potential long term starter type talent.

It will be interesting to see where things are in five years. My preferred draft was Nesmith, Maledon and Tillman.  After a year, I feel validated, for probably the first time in a decade.  Drafting is not my strong point.