Hayward Utah vs Charlotte stats

[Silas]

Let me first say, I would like Hayward to be the Cs starting SF/PF, I fully understand why he isn't.  If he had stayed with the Cs as maybe the 3rd or 4th option his stats would not look like they are in Charlotte as the primary option.  I just found his current stats with Charlotte compared favorably with his all star year in Utah the year before he signed with the Cs.  I guess he has proven what he can do when he is the number one guy.  I understand that I am comparing a full year at Utah with half a year in Charlotte.

                mp     fga         fg%     3pa       3p%      ft%      reb      ast      pts
2016/17   34.5   15.8      .471       5.1       .398      .844     5.4     3.5     21.9
Utah
2020/21   34.9   16.2      .485       5.1       .421      .860     5.4     3.7     21.5
Charlotte

The Celtics thought he was worth roughly $31M/Y for four years and his play in Charlotte appears to confirm he may still be worth roughly $30M/Y.   Also, I am surprised how well Charlotte is playing.  May have something to do with his style of play.

[SparzWizard]

It's too bad he couldn't be the number one guy in Boston. He was probably a number 4 guy here during his tenure-

Behind Kyrie, Horford, Tatum
or
Tatum, Brown, Walker

[todd_days_41]

The guy destroyed his ankle in his first game in Boston. Not his fault, nor was it the Cs fault. Celtics paid him a ton of money to rehab and get him back to snuff over 3 years.. and he rewarded them by worrying about himself.

**** him.

There’s a lot of lamenting about Hayward. Surprised fans are not more bitter about him. He kinda ****** us really.

[gouki88]

The guy destroyed his ankle in his first game in Boston. Not his fault, nor was it the Cs fault. Celtics paid him a ton of money to rehab and get him back to snuff over 3 years.. and he rewarded them by worrying about himself.

**** him.

There’s a lot of lamenting about Hayward. Surprised fans are not more bitter about him. He kinda ****** us really.

Lol, wonder why anyone wouldn't want to stick around in a town where fans [dang] a guy for "worrying about himself"

[todd_days_41]

The guy destroyed his ankle in his first game in Boston. Not his fault, nor was it the Cs fault. Celtics paid him a ton of money to rehab and get him back to snuff over 3 years.. and he rewarded them by worrying about himself.

**** him.

There’s a lot of lamenting about Hayward. Surprised fans are not more bitter about him. He kinda ****** us really.

Lol, wonder why anyone wouldn't want to stick around in a town where fans [dang] a guy for "worrying about himself"

I don’t really follow. So Hayward needed a tissue because of fans? Be serious.

He wanted shots, money, and pressure relief over winning. No player of his caliber who cares about winning signs in Charlotte at his age. It is what it is. It’s vanity.

He’ll go down as a **** stain on Celtics history.

[Vermont Green]

Unlike some, I do not harbor any ill will towards Hayward.  He was a model citizen while in Boston.  What more can you ask?  Players move on from teams for all sorts of reasons.  Teams move on from players too.

As to how good Hayward is, I see him as a nice 3rd option on a top team.  $30M is a lot to spend for that, especially for a player that is going to be hurt a lot.

[Jiri Welsch]

The guy destroyed his ankle in his first game in Boston. Not his fault, nor was it the Cs fault. Celtics paid him a ton of money to rehab and get him back to snuff over 3 years.. and he rewarded them by worrying about himself.

**** him.

There’s a lot of lamenting about Hayward. Surprised fans are not more bitter about him. He kinda ****** us really.

Lol, wonder why anyone wouldn't want to stick around in a town where fans [dang] a guy for "worrying about himself"

I don’t really follow. So Hayward needed a tissue because of fans? Be serious.

He wanted shots, money, and pressure relief over winning. No player of his caliber who cares about winning signs in Charlotte at his age. It is what it is. It’s vanity.

He’ll go down as a **** stain on Celtics history.

I'm not particularly surprised Hayward is hovering around similar stats to his Utah days. The problem with Hayward is that he requires the ball in his hands a lot in order to be the most effective version of himself. We unfortunately have two young (and more promising) wings that need the ball just as much. It just wasn't a great match.

I don't think it makes sense to try to get into the guy's head. I personally think despite the growing pains we're experiencing right now, both parties are better off apart long term.

[todd_days_41]

The guy destroyed his ankle in his first game in Boston. Not his fault, nor was it the Cs fault. Celtics paid him a ton of money to rehab and get him back to snuff over 3 years.. and he rewarded them by worrying about himself.

**** him.

There’s a lot of lamenting about Hayward. Surprised fans are not more bitter about him. He kinda ****** us really.

Lol, wonder why anyone wouldn't want to stick around in a town where fans [dang] a guy for "worrying about himself"

I don’t really follow. So Hayward needed a tissue because of fans? Be serious.

He wanted shots, money, and pressure relief over winning. No player of his caliber who cares about winning signs in Charlotte at his age. It is what it is. It’s vanity.

He’ll go down as a **** stain on Celtics history.

I'm not particularly surprised Hayward is hovering around similar stats to his Utah days. The problem with Hayward is that he requires the ball in his hands a lot in order to be the most effective version of himself. We unfortunately have two young (and more promising) wings that need the ball just as much. It just wasn't a great match.

I don't think it makes sense to try to get into the guy's head. I personally think despite the growing pains we're experiencing right now, both parties are better off apart long term.

Fair enough. I guess i'm just a little bitter about the whole Hayward experience. I think the guy is just kind of soft, and was more of a negative than a positive.

[wiley]

The usage someone said Hayward needs to be effective is the reason I intuitively didn't like the Kyrie trade (among other chemistry concerns).

I was ready for Hayward to be the team's point forward and was very high on Rozier and his low turnovers...playoff performance...and thought with pick 8 C's were getting richer and richer...

But the attempted big 3 with AD has been rehashed too much..sorry.

Very happy for Hayward right now.  People who keep saying all he wants is money and not winning....did it ever occur to you that what an athlete wants is to prove to themselves that they can still perform at a top level?  The joy of actual performance?  If I were Hayward's age and hadn't had a chance to play much for three years, Charlotte and a chance to be and show my best before I'm too old just around the corner would have been very appealing to me too....

[Somebody]

The usage someone said Hayward needs to be effective is the reason I intuitively didn't like the Kyrie trade (among other chemistry concerns).

I was ready for Hayward to be the team's point forward and was very high on Rozier and his low turnovers...playoff performance...and thought with pick 8 C's were getting richer and richer...

But the attempted big 3 with AD has been rehashed too much..sorry.

Very happy for Hayward right now.  People who keep saying all he wants is money and not winning....did it ever occur to you that what an athlete wants is to prove to themselves that they can still perform at a top level?  The joy of actual performance?  If I were Hayward's age and hadn't had a chance to play much for three years, Charlotte and a chance to be and show my best before I'm too old just around the corner would have been very appealing to me too....

Wow it's like we didn't give him chance after chance the year after he broke his leg and played like absolute crap, then refused to give him a top 4 role on a squad that would be ideally powered by 4 guys who can shoot, create and pass! The way we mistreated him and didn't give him even the slightest chance to prove himself makes my blood boil

[JBcat]

The guy destroyed his ankle in his first game in Boston. Not his fault, nor was it the Cs fault. Celtics paid him a ton of money to rehab and get him back to snuff over 3 years.. and he rewarded them by worrying about himself.

**** him.

There’s a lot of lamenting about Hayward. Surprised fans are not more bitter about him. He kinda ****** us really.

Lol, wonder why anyone wouldn't want to stick around in a town where fans [dang] a guy for "worrying about himself"

I don’t really follow. So Hayward needed a tissue because of fans? Be serious.

He wanted shots, money, and pressure relief over winning. No player of his caliber who cares about winning signs in Charlotte at his age. It is what it is. It’s vanity.

He’ll go down as a **** stain on Celtics history.

I'm not particularly surprised Hayward is hovering around similar stats to his Utah days. The problem with Hayward is that he requires the ball in his hands a lot in order to be the most effective version of himself. We unfortunately have two young (and more promising) wings that need the ball just as much. It just wasn't a great match.

I don't think it makes sense to try to get into the guy's head. I personally think despite the growing pains we're experiencing right now, both parties are better off apart long term.

I’m not so sure of this.  Last season when all 3 wings played together we had a pretty elite offense, with Hayward the best passer of the 3.  Sure their counting stats will suffer when they all play, but I thought it brought out the best for the team.  You can also stagger minutes more to incorporate starters more with bench players.

Also as this season has proved again you can’t count on everyone being healthy all the time especially as Walker gets older.  Maybe instead of the 3 wings hovering around mid 20’s PPG now, it would have been more like around 20 but the team is better for it.

[Jiri Welsch]

I’m not so sure of this.  Last season when all 3 wings played together we had a pretty elite offense, with Hayward the best passer of the 3.  Sure their counting stats will suffer when they all play, but I thought it brought out the best for the team.  You can also stagger minutes more to incorporate starters more with bench players.

Also as this season has proved again you can’t count on everyone being healthy all the time especially as Walker gets older.  Maybe instead of the 3 wings hovering around mid 20’s PPG now, it would have been more like around 20 but the team is better for it.

All good points, TP. My thinking was that Brown and Tatum need to have these additional touches/reps this year as the primary ball handler in order to maximize our long term championship aspirations.

I agree that having another competent playmaking wing would help the team this year!

[wiley]

The usage someone said Hayward needs to be effective is the reason I intuitively didn't like the Kyrie trade (among other chemistry concerns).

I was ready for Hayward to be the team's point forward and was very high on Rozier and his low turnovers...playoff performance...and thought with pick 8 C's were getting richer and richer...

But the attempted big 3 with AD has been rehashed too much..sorry.

Very happy for Hayward right now.  People who keep saying all he wants is money and not winning....did it ever occur to you that what an athlete wants is to prove to themselves that they can still perform at a top level?  The joy of actual performance?  If I were Hayward's age and hadn't had a chance to play much for three years, Charlotte and a chance to be and show my best before I'm too old just around the corner would have been very appealing to me too....

Wow it's like we didn't give him chance after chance the year after he broke his leg and played like absolute crap, then refused to give him a top 4 role on a squad that would be ideally powered by 4 guys who can shoot, create and pass! The way we mistreated him and didn't give him even the slightest chance to prove himself makes my blood boil

TP for some good sarcasm

I don't think he was mistreated at all (as you don't).  I'm just happy for him that he's healthy and playing well.  Maybe he figured Boston was bad luck for his bod! 

[Somebody]

The usage someone said Hayward needs to be effective is the reason I intuitively didn't like the Kyrie trade (among other chemistry concerns).

I was ready for Hayward to be the team's point forward and was very high on Rozier and his low turnovers...playoff performance...and thought with pick 8 C's were getting richer and richer...

But the attempted big 3 with AD has been rehashed too much..sorry.

Very happy for Hayward right now.  People who keep saying all he wants is money and not winning....did it ever occur to you that what an athlete wants is to prove to themselves that they can still perform at a top level?  The joy of actual performance?  If I were Hayward's age and hadn't had a chance to play much for three years, Charlotte and a chance to be and show my best before I'm too old just around the corner would have been very appealing to me too....

Wow it's like we didn't give him chance after chance the year after he broke his leg and played like absolute crap, then refused to give him a top 4 role on a squad that would be ideally powered by 4 guys who can shoot, create and pass! The way we mistreated him and didn't give him even the slightest chance to prove himself makes my blood boil

TP for some good sarcasm

I don't think he was mistreated at all (as you don't).  I'm just happy for him that he's healthy and playing well.  Maybe he figured Boston was bad luck for his bod!

TP back at you for appreciating it

And yeah I'm just happy that he's performing well. I'm not his biggest fan, but I'll always appreciate him for putting his body on the line for us by rushing back to play last ECF.

[gouki88]

The guy destroyed his ankle in his first game in Boston. Not his fault, nor was it the Cs fault. Celtics paid him a ton of money to rehab and get him back to snuff over 3 years.. and he rewarded them by worrying about himself.

**** him.

There’s a lot of lamenting about Hayward. Surprised fans are not more bitter about him. He kinda ****** us really.

Lol, wonder why anyone wouldn't want to stick around in a town where fans [dang] a guy for "worrying about himself"

I don’t really follow. So Hayward needed a tissue because of fans? Be serious.

He wanted shots, money, and pressure relief over winning. No player of his caliber who cares about winning signs in Charlotte at his age. It is what it is. It’s vanity.

He’ll go down as a **** stain on Celtics history.

I'm not particularly surprised Hayward is hovering around similar stats to his Utah days. The problem with Hayward is that he requires the ball in his hands a lot in order to be the most effective version of himself. We unfortunately have two young (and more promising) wings that need the ball just as much. It just wasn't a great match.

I don't think it makes sense to try to get into the guy's head. I personally think despite the growing pains we're experiencing right now, both parties are better off apart long term.

Fair enough. I guess i'm just a little bitter about the whole Hayward experience. I think the guy is just kind of soft, and was more of a negative than a positive.

Lol, it's obvious you're more than a "little bitter". If you're getting that deep into personal attacks because a guy left your team in free agency maybe you're the one with wack priorities, and not him.