Celtics (15-16) at Hawks (13-18) Game #32 2/24/21

[liam]

Where is everyone laughing at me for wanting Brad to play Waters from the beginning of the game?

Lol yes Waters played well in garbage time and had maybe 2 good possessions against Trae Young. I don't think Waters is a bad player, but I just didn't think he's the player that's going to stay effective against Trae for an entire game. Trae has struggled with length and athleticism and needs to be attacked defensively like we did when we won.
While Waters may have been good for a stretch of plays, it would have only been a matter of time until the Hawks started forcing switches and attacking Waters like offenses do with Kemba because of his size.

The biggest issue with this team is that to truly hold Tatum and Jaylen Brown accountable you'd basically just sit them. If you were to bench either of those players you'd drastically  cut the probability of your team to win any given game. At this point I think Brad is just hoping they learn as they play because honestly I'm sure he feels like he can't blame Tatum or Brown for trying to take too much of a load considering the roster around them. It's a really screwed up situation unfortunately.

Waters played great and we'll never know if he would've made a difference if he played earlier in the game. That's why they play the games. Waters played 8 minutes and had 4-4 fg 3-3 from 3 with 5 assists and a steal. Some of that against the Hawks starters and all of it against NBA players. Waters does not match up with a lot of teams in the NBA but he's a good match against the Hawks. I predicted it and it happened and you're saying what might have happened but didn't happen.

[hpantazo]

Jaylen and Jayson must feel like two varsity players being forced to play with all JV teammates and then they have to go out and play against legit Varsity teams. They have no confidence in the guys around them and they are clearly deflated because of it.

This could not be anymore accurate lol. Forcing and trying to do everything themselves. Getting incredibly frustrated and bad body language.

Don’t even know if you two are serious or joking.

I'm being serious! I used to be a HS coach and when you have really talented players playing on really bad teams this is exactly what happens. The offense revolves around them and if things go wrong they can take it badly, everybody gets mad that you are feeding the good players even though it would be an absolute dumpster fire if you didn't. Good players force bad shots and try to carry to much of the load.

Except that this is a professional basketball team, and these players are all professionals. They belong on the roster, if they don’t, something is wrong with the management.

*Jaylen and Jayson must feel like two legit NBA players being forced to play with a bunch of G-Leaguers and then having to play against REAL NBA players each night. Better?

Jay and Jay owe Hayward an apology...they said they were ready to lead.....they are not.

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Meanwhile Hayward is getting it done leading his team to a better record than the Celtics.

[JBJT619]

Jaylen and Jayson must feel like two varsity players being forced to play with all JV teammates and then they have to go out and play against legit Varsity teams. They have no confidence in the guys around them and they are clearly deflated because of it.

This could not be anymore accurate lol. Forcing and trying to do everything themselves. Getting incredibly frustrated and bad body language.

Don’t even know if you two are serious or joking.

I'm being serious! I used to be a HS coach and when you have really talented players playing on really bad teams this is exactly what happens. The offense revolves around them and if things go wrong they can take it badly, everybody gets mad that you are feeding the good players even though it would be an absolute dumpster fire if you didn't. Good players force bad shots and try to carry to much of the load.

Except that this is a professional basketball team, and these players are all professionals. They belong on the roster, if they don’t, something is wrong with the management.

While I understand it's not a 1-1 comparison I just noticed a lot of parallels with the current situation with the Celtics.
Yeah I agree with you lol. It kind of shocks me that Danny Ainge who played basketball at a high level actually believed that we would meet/exceed expectations with the current roster they have.

[Phantom255x]

So can someone explain to me how Grant Williams somehow manages to get 21 minutes tonight. Like seriously, how are Nesmith and Timelord getting less minutes than G-Will in a lot of these games?? This guy legitimately has 1-2 meme moments happen to him every game, and I don't mean that in a good way for us.

[liam]

 Make the vets, Tatum and Brown included, earn their minutes. If they play bad bench them and play these young guys who played hard tonight. Make the Starters out play these hungry bench guys.

[86MaxwellSmart]

and our BONEHEAD owner tells us tough crap, no help is coming.

[Ogaju]

So can someone explain to me how Grant Williams somehow manages to get 21 minutes tonight. Like seriously, how are Nesmith and Timelord getting less minutes than G-Will in a lot of these games?? This guy legitimately has 1-2 meme moments happen to him every game, and I don't mean that in a good way for us.

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[NKY fan]

This is weird season .45 ball might get you the 4th seed. I also fully expect Kemba to request a trade lol

[hwangjini_1]

Where is everyone laughing at me for wanting Brad to play Waters from the beginning of the game?

In the 2 games this year where he's played meaningful minutes he's a combined 2/16 shooting and a -23 in 47 total minutes. maybe that is part of the reason why.

[Goldstar88]

Jaylen and Jayson must feel like two varsity players being forced to play with all JV teammates and then they have to go out and play against legit Varsity teams. They have no confidence in the guys around them and they are clearly deflated because of it.

This could not be anymore accurate lol. Forcing and trying to do everything themselves. Getting incredibly frustrated and bad body language.

Don’t even know if you two are serious or joking.

I'm being serious! I used to be a HS coach and when you have really talented players playing on really bad teams this is exactly what happens. The offense revolves around them and if things go wrong they can take it badly, everybody gets mad that you are feeding the good players even though it would be an absolute dumpster fire if you didn't. Good players force bad shots and try to carry to much of the load.

Except that this is a professional basketball team, and these players are all professionals. They belong on the roster, if they don’t, something is wrong with the management.

*Jaylen and Jayson must feel like two legit NBA players being forced to play with a bunch of G-Leaguers and then having to play against REAL NBA players each night. Better?

Jay and Jay owe Hayward an apology...they said they were ready to lead.....they are not.

Hayward is not a leader. He crumbles under pressure.

[liam]

So can someone explain to me how Grant Williams somehow manages to get 21 minutes tonight. Like seriously, how are Nesmith and Timelord getting less minutes than G-Will in a lot of these games??

Minutes need to be based on production not on some random Brad move. This is the same move that killed the Celtics with Hayward and with Kyrie in that last playoffs series. Force feeding minutes to players who are producing is a kick in the face to guys who are ready to bring it but don't sniff the court. Minutes shouldn't be guaranteed.

[JBJT619]

Where is everyone laughing at me for wanting Brad to play Waters from the beginning of the game?

Lol yes Waters played well in garbage time and had maybe 2 good possessions against Trae Young. I don't think Waters is a bad player, but I just didn't think he's the player that's going to stay effective against Trae for an entire game. Trae has struggled with length and athleticism and needs to be attacked defensively like we did when we won.
While Waters may have been good for a stretch of plays, it would have only been a matter of time until the Hawks started forcing switches and attacking Waters like offenses do with Kemba because of his size.

The biggest issue with this team is that to truly hold Tatum and Jaylen Brown accountable you'd basically just sit them. If you were to bench either of those players you'd drastically  cut the probability of your team to win any given game. At this point I think Brad is just hoping they learn as they play because honestly I'm sure he feels like he can't blame Tatum or Brown for trying to take too much of a load considering the roster around them. It's a really screwed up situation unfortunately.

Waters played great and we'll never know if he would've made a difference if he played earlier in the game. That's why they play the games. Waters played 8 minutes and had 4-4 fg 3-3 from 3 with 5 assists and a steal. Some of that against the Hawks starters and all of it against NBA players. Waters does not match up with a lot of teams in the NBA but he's a good match against the Hawks. I predicted it and it happened and you're saying what might have happened but didn't happen.

Not at all I'm explaining to you why you can't rely on Waters as a defender for any extended stretch as an NBA defender. Because even if he's a good on-ball defender there's more to playing NBA defense than being an on-ball defender.
Also I'm not sure if 3-5 minutes against starters up 20 points that are about to be pulled is indicative of anything.

[liam]

Where is everyone laughing at me for wanting Brad to play Waters from the beginning of the game?

In the 2 games this year where he's played meaningful minutes he's a combined 2/16 shooting and a -23 in 47 total minutes. maybe that is part of the reason why.

What about against the Hawks? That's what I said. Against the Hawks. +12 4-4 and 3-3 from 3 with 5 assists a steal and zero turnovers.

[Goldstar88]

Where is everyone laughing at me for wanting Brad to play Waters from the beginning of the game?

Lol yes Waters played well in garbage time and had maybe 2 good possessions against Trae Young. I don't think Waters is a bad player, but I just didn't think he's the player that's going to stay effective against Trae for an entire game. Trae has struggled with length and athleticism and needs to be attacked defensively like we did when we won.
While Waters may have been good for a stretch of plays, it would have only been a matter of time until the Hawks started forcing switches and attacking Waters like offenses do with Kemba because of his size.

The biggest issue with this team is that to truly hold Tatum and Jaylen Brown accountable you'd basically just sit them. If you were to bench either of those players you'd drastically  cut the probability of your team to win any given game. At this point I think Brad is just hoping they learn as they play because honestly I'm sure he feels like he can't blame Tatum or Brown for trying to take too much of a load considering the roster around them. It's a really screwed up situation unfortunately.

Waters played great and we'll never know if he would've made a difference if he played earlier in the game. That's why they play the games. Waters played 8 minutes and had 4-4 fg 3-3 from 3 with 5 assists and a steal. Some of that against the Hawks starters and all of it against NBA players. Waters does not match up with a lot of teams in the NBA but he's a good match against the Hawks. I predicted it and it happened and you're saying what might have happened but didn't happen.

I’m sorry, but there is a reason he only gets in the game during garbage time. C’s have a horrendous bench and he still can’t break the rotation.

[hwangjini_1]

Where is everyone laughing at me for wanting Brad to play Waters from the beginning of the game?

In the 2 games this year where he's played meaningful minutes he's a combined 2/16 shooting and a -23 in 47 total minutes. maybe that is part of the reason why.

What about against the Hawks? That's what I said. Against the Hawks. +12 4-4 and 3-3 from 3 with 5 assists a steal and zero turnovers.

CBS should have known the final stats of the game PRIOR to the start of the game?