Stevens has been tuned out!

[Ogaju]

Tatum on coach K vs Stevens.  JJ Reddick podcast

https://youtu.be/DwW0qGDoaEE

Here is the deal with his comment. One he sees as a dad like mentor from his youth turning him into a man.. The other he sees has his boss who treats him like the man he is. He himself says Coach K wouldn't work in the NBA.

His quote is exactly what a grown man should say. Brad is his boss coach was his mentor.

This says a whole lot. Respect for mentors totally different to the respect for the boss man. Besides, Tatum was still in need of mentoring when he came under Brad. Wasn’t he just 18? He was not, and is still not done growing. If he truly believes Coach K put out a finished product then he has a lot of learning ahead. He still needs a lot of mentoring. And if he believes Coach K would not work in the NBA, what kind of NBA mentoring could he provide. The comment betrays a lack of respect for Brad. I bet he would not have said the same about Phil Jackson or Popovich.

[Uncle_Stingfinger]

none of these nba guys listen to their coach.  they all know what to do.  i'm sure lebron was super interested to hear vogle's thought last summer in the bubble.    no coach would be doing any more with this limited amount of veteran talent.

and when people point to doc and the sixers, ok.  but who else has his type of voice in the nba locker room?    i can't think of anyone they could hire.

[GreenWarrior]

I've never been a fan of the logic - there's no one better so don't fire this person.

Not letting someone go because it's the middle of the season is similar logic imo. If someone deserves to get fired then they need to go.

The thing is "deserve" doesn't come into it.

The question is will it benefit the team or not.

The team isn't going to fire the coach because you feel he "deserves" it because you're frustrated or fed up with how the team is performing.

Ahh here's the thing I've said stevens needed to be fired since before this season.

He's one of those coaches whose philosophy on offense will only take us so far.

This team needs to make 30 three's a game to win a game. He has instilled a losing brand of basketball. And it is a losing brand because asking a team to make 30 plus three's a game in the playoffs is unrealistic.

[Donoghus]

I've never been a fan of the logic - there's no one better so don't fire this person.

Not letting someone go because it's the middle of the season is similar logic imo. If someone deserves to get fired then they need to go.

The thing is "deserve" doesn't come into it.

The question is will it benefit the team or not.

The team isn't going to fire the coach because you feel he "deserves" it because you're frustrated or fed up with how the team is performing.

Ahh here's the thing I've said stevens needed to be fired since before this season.

He's one of those coaches whose philosophy on offense will only take us so far.

This team needs to make 30 three's a game to win a game. He has instilled a losing brand of basketball. And it is a losing brand because asking a team to make 30 plus three's a game in the playoffs is unrealistic.

A losing brand of basketball that has helped this team make 3 of the last 4 ECF? 

Ummm...okay.

[Ogaju]

I've never been a fan of the logic - there's no one better so don't fire this person.

Not letting someone go because it's the middle of the season is similar logic imo. If someone deserves to get fired then they need to go.

The thing is "deserve" doesn't come into it.

The question is will it benefit the team or not.

The team isn't going to fire the coach because you feel he "deserves" it because you're frustrated or fed up with how the team is performing.

Ahh here's the thing I've said stevens needed to be fired since before this season.

He's one of those coaches whose philosophy on offense will only take us so far.

This team needs to make 30 three's a game to win a game. He has instilled a losing brand of basketball. And it is a losing brand because asking a team to make 30 plus three's a game in the playoffs is unrealistic.

A losing brand of basketball that has helped this team make 3 of the last 4 ECF? 

Ummm...okay.

Both of you are talking past each other. Brad is not coaching a losing brand of basketball, he ain’t coaching a winning brand either. Cs have become Atlanta or name any other team that just plays without realistic championship chances year after year after year.

[Donoghus]

I've never been a fan of the logic - there's no one better so don't fire this person.

Not letting someone go because it's the middle of the season is similar logic imo. If someone deserves to get fired then they need to go.

The thing is "deserve" doesn't come into it.

The question is will it benefit the team or not.

The team isn't going to fire the coach because you feel he "deserves" it because you're frustrated or fed up with how the team is performing.

Ahh here's the thing I've said stevens needed to be fired since before this season.

He's one of those coaches whose philosophy on offense will only take us so far.

This team needs to make 30 three's a game to win a game. He has instilled a losing brand of basketball. And it is a losing brand because asking a team to make 30 plus three's a game in the playoffs is unrealistic.

A losing brand of basketball that has helped this team make 3 of the last 4 ECF? 

Ummm...okay.

Both of you are talking past each other. Brad is not coaching a losing brand of basketball, he ain’t coaching a winning brand either. Cs have become Atlanta or name any other team that just plays without realistic championship chances year after year after year.

A little early to be proclaiming that given the two cornerstones are both under the age of 25.

[Ogaju]

I've never been a fan of the logic - there's no one better so don't fire this person.

Not letting someone go because it's the middle of the season is similar logic imo. If someone deserves to get fired then they need to go.

The thing is "deserve" doesn't come into it.

The question is will it benefit the team or not.

The team isn't going to fire the coach because you feel he "deserves" it because you're frustrated or fed up with how the team is performing.

Ahh here's the thing I've said stevens needed to be fired since before this season.

He's one of those coaches whose philosophy on offense will only take us so far.

This team needs to make 30 three's a game to win a game. He has instilled a losing brand of basketball. And it is a losing brand because asking a team to make 30 plus three's a game in the playoffs is unrealistic.

A losing brand of basketball that has helped this team make 3 of the last 4 ECF? 

Ummm...okay.

Both of you are talking past each other. Brad is not coaching a losing brand of basketball, he ain’t coaching a winning brand either. Cs have become Atlanta or name any other team that just plays without realistic championship chances year after year after year.

A little early to be proclaiming that given the two cornerstones are both under the age of 25.

True, but perhaps someone should have preached patience to the kids rather than hand them the keys to the franchise.

[Donoghus]

I've never been a fan of the logic - there's no one better so don't fire this person.

Not letting someone go because it's the middle of the season is similar logic imo. If someone deserves to get fired then they need to go.

The thing is "deserve" doesn't come into it.

The question is will it benefit the team or not.

The team isn't going to fire the coach because you feel he "deserves" it because you're frustrated or fed up with how the team is performing.

Ahh here's the thing I've said stevens needed to be fired since before this season.

He's one of those coaches whose philosophy on offense will only take us so far.

This team needs to make 30 three's a game to win a game. He has instilled a losing brand of basketball. And it is a losing brand because asking a team to make 30 plus three's a game in the playoffs is unrealistic.

A losing brand of basketball that has helped this team make 3 of the last 4 ECF? 

Ummm...okay.

Both of you are talking past each other. Brad is not coaching a losing brand of basketball, he ain’t coaching a winning brand either. Cs have become Atlanta or name any other team that just plays without realistic championship chances year after year after year.

A little early to be proclaiming that given the two cornerstones are both under the age of 25.

True, but perhaps someone should have preached patience to the kids rather than hand them the keys to the franchise.

Probably should've preached some patience to the fanbase too.

[Ogaju]

I've never been a fan of the logic - there's no one better so don't fire this person.

Not letting someone go because it's the middle of the season is similar logic imo. If someone deserves to get fired then they need to go.

The thing is "deserve" doesn't come into it.

The question is will it benefit the team or not.

The team isn't going to fire the coach because you feel he "deserves" it because you're frustrated or fed up with how the team is performing.

Ahh here's the thing I've said stevens needed to be fired since before this season.

He's one of those coaches whose philosophy on offense will only take us so far.

This team needs to make 30 three's a game to win a game. He has instilled a losing brand of basketball. And it is a losing brand because asking a team to make 30 plus three's a game in the playoffs is unrealistic.

A losing brand of basketball that has helped this team make 3 of the last 4 ECF? 

Ummm...okay.

Both of you are talking past each other. Brad is not coaching a losing brand of basketball, he ain’t coaching a winning brand either. Cs have become Atlanta or name any other team that just plays without realistic championship chances year after year after year.

A little early to be proclaiming that given the two cornerstones are both under the age of 25.

True, but perhaps someone should have preached patience to the kids rather than hand them the keys to the franchise.

Probably should've preached some patience to the fanbase too.

But the team was right there, until the kids executed a palace coup. I take issue with this being an impatient fan base issue. How long do the fans need to wait. Last NBA final appearance was 2010. The team was right there and the kids did not want to wait their turn...this led to an exodus of key veterans. Fan base has been extremely patient. It is the impatience of the young players that put the team in this rot.

[Tr1boy]

none of these nba guys listen to their coach.  they all know what to do.  i'm sure lebron was super interested to hear vogle's thought last summer in the bubble.    no coach would be doing any more with this limited amount of veteran talent.

and when people point to doc and the sixers, ok.  but who else has his type of voice in the nba locker room?    i can't think of anyone they could hire.

Riley, Spoelstra and Pops say hi

They do certainly listen to these three

Jimmy Butler in the ecf

“I actually think I recover quite fast after,” Butler said after Monday’s practice at Disney Word, "because all I can hear is Spo over and over again telling me how I’m not tired.

“That’s literally what he tells me in the middle of the game. I’m just like, ‘All right, Coach, I guess you know how I’m feeling, yeah, I’m not tired.’ So going into it, it’s like, you can’t be tired, you can’t be banged up. These guys need you.”

[Tr1boy]

Stevens response to recent fan base pressure/lack of intensity/emotion

One of the biggest critiques from the fan base about Stevens has been his perceived last of intensity or emotion. Stevens said that not a completely unfair assessment, but one that leaves out a lot of context.

“Your job is to coach the team to the best of your ability. And I think the number one way to do that is authentically,” he explained. “There are times, obviously, where I certainly will lose it and have certainly lost it, whether it’s in the locker room, whether it’s in practice, whether it’s in pregame, whatever the case may be. But by and large, I think it’s very important to be measured and to be myself.”

[wiley]

brad is a plenty good coach to win championships.  We can all pick something to criticize each game.  I'll pick one...why didn't he scream and yell at the ref when Sabonis charged Theis near end of game and they called it on Theis.  There.  I feel better now.

More pieces needed to go all the way.

Next topic.

PS:  I have to admit...I would like to see a few more Stevens type players on the team.  By that I mean defensive studs of all sizes who love to defend, but call also play team ball...decent but not superstar offense.  Keep the Jays, add another Marcus Smart, two DeAndre Hunters and another Robert Williams and a couple of L. Dorts.  (the Ok. City guy).  Oh, Payton Pritchard plays tough.  Add one more Pritchard and a Quickley. 

Smart, Smart, Pritchard, Quickley
Dort, Quickley, Dort, Romeo
Brown, Hunter, Ojeleye
Tatum, Hunter, Theis
Robert Williams, Robert Wiliams, Theis

 (I couldn't clone Tatum and Brown...would be greedy...)

Let's get the C's back to C's style defense under a Steven coaching regime....

(high hopes for Nesmith in all regards too)...

pss:  Imagine the Jays with Eric Williams and Walter McCarty to help them out on defense and 3 point shooting?

[GreenWarrior]

I've never been a fan of the logic - there's no one better so don't fire this person.

Not letting someone go because it's the middle of the season is similar logic imo. If someone deserves to get fired then they need to go.

The thing is "deserve" doesn't come into it.

The question is will it benefit the team or not.

The team isn't going to fire the coach because you feel he "deserves" it because you're frustrated or fed up with how the team is performing.

Ahh here's the thing I've said stevens needed to be fired since before this season.

He's one of those coaches whose philosophy on offense will only take us so far.

This team needs to make 30 three's a game to win a game. He has instilled a losing brand of basketball. And it is a losing brand because asking a team to make 30 plus three's a game in the playoffs is unrealistic.

A losing brand of basketball that has helped this team make 3 of the last 4 ECF? 

Ummm...okay.

It's the style of basketball that will win a lot of games and that's it.


Ya know what happens to those teams? They stagnate and then fall apart. Sound familiar?

[nickagneta]

Some won't be happy until the Celtics have a coach that acts like this every second of every game and in every interview and news conference:

[ChillyWilly]

Some won't be happy until the Celtics have a coach that acts like this every second of every game and in every interview and news conference:

I'm in the opposite end of the spectrum. I hate watching coaches like Nurse kick and pout all game.