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The value of Marcus Smart
« on: February 14, 2021, 02:49:02 PM »

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This team is lost without him. No leadership on the court and the players (and coach) don’t seem to hold each other accountable. Marcus is The leader on the floor, defensive anchor and the unofficial captain of this team. He’s invaluable and does so many things that don’t show up on the stat sheets.

The C’s need Smart back in the lineup and Danny absolutely should make a move before the deadline. Currently, there are just too many players on this team that are not consistently contributing with Kemba, Thompson, Teague, G-Williams, Edwards, Greene, Nesmith, Waters, and Tacko. That’s most of the roster....The pieces don’t fit right and Jaylen and Jayson are trying to do too much to compensate for it. They are in dire need of veteran players to help balance out the roster. Shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that the C’s are a .500 team.
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Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2021, 03:26:14 PM »

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This team has bigger issues beyond Marcus smart returning

Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2021, 03:49:27 PM »

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Smart will come back, the team will start winning again, and lots of people here will still insult him every game.

Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2021, 04:10:31 PM »

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This team has bigger issues beyond Marcus smart returning

I’m not sure that there are bigger issues than not having Marcus Smart right now. Certainly there are other issues, but not having the leader of the team, the best defensive player, and missing the guy that holds players accountable is a major issue.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2021, 04:26:01 PM »

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Just so long as we don’t play like this when he returns, I’m willing to anoint him our saviour.

But I’ve seen us play terribly with him around too
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2021, 04:38:34 PM »

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Smart will come back, the team will start winning again, and lots of people here will still insult him every game.

It amazes me how frequently people come up with trade proposals to unload him. He’s the heart of this team and yet C’s fan continue to discount the “non statistical” attributes that make him leader of the team. He’s everything a Celtic player should be.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2021, 04:51:49 PM »

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Just so long as we don’t play like this when he returns, I’m willing to anoint him our saviour.

But I’ve seen us play terribly with him around too

yeah, the issue is bigger than Smart coming back.  We are def better with him, but it feels like it is an overall talent issue as well.
When we have guys like Semi, Waters, and Grant Williams all starting at various times it should be obvious we have a talent shortage.
None of those guys should be close to starting on a playoff level team.


Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2021, 05:17:04 PM »

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Just so long as we don’t play like this when he returns, I’m willing to anoint him our saviour.

But I’ve seen us play terribly with him around too

yeah, the issue is bigger than Smart coming back.  We are def better with him, but it feels like it is an overall talent issue as well.
When we have guys like Semi, Waters, and Grant Williams all starting at various times it should be obvious we have a talent shortage.
None of those guys should be close to starting on a playoff level team.

The team certainly does have a lack of talent(and height), but eliminating the best passer and defender from the lineup exacerbates the issue. He’s shooting well this year and his ability to play multiple positions makes up for a good portion of the teams shortcomings. If the C’s can acquire a decent veteran wing player(Thad Young?) and some size at the PF/C position (hopefully over 6’8”...) plus get Smart back, they should be in really good shape .
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2021, 06:06:58 PM »

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Just so long as we don’t play like this when he returns, I’m willing to anoint him our saviour.

But I’ve seen us play terribly with him around too

yeah, the issue is bigger than Smart coming back.  We are def better with him, but it feels like it is an overall talent issue as well.
When we have guys like Semi, Waters, and Grant Williams all starting at various times it should be obvious we have a talent shortage.
None of those guys should be close to starting on a playoff level team.

The team certainly does have a lack of talent(and height), but eliminating the best passer and defender from the lineup exacerbates the issue. He’s shooting well this year and his ability to play multiple positions makes up for a good portion of the teams shortcomings. If the C’s can acquire a decent veteran wing player(Thad Young?) and some size at the PF/C position (hopefully over 6’8”...) plus get Smart back, they should be in really good shape .
No, he absolutely is not!
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SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2021, 07:00:27 PM »

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Just so long as we don’t play like this when he returns, I’m willing to anoint him our saviour.

But I’ve seen us play terribly with him around too

yeah, the issue is bigger than Smart coming back.  We are def better with him, but it feels like it is an overall talent issue as well.
When we have guys like Semi, Waters, and Grant Williams all starting at various times it should be obvious we have a talent shortage.
None of those guys should be close to starting on a playoff level team.

The team certainly does have a lack of talent(and height), but eliminating the best passer and defender from the lineup exacerbates the issue. He’s shooting well this year and his ability to play multiple positions makes up for a good portion of the teams shortcomings. If the C’s can acquire a decent veteran wing player(Thad Young?) and some size at the PF/C position (hopefully over 6’8”...) plus get Smart back, they should be in really good shape .
No, he absolutely is not!

Well, he was at one point lol. Jesus, his 3pt% dropped like a rock. I misread and thought his 3pt% was 39.4%, but it’s actually his FG%. But anyway, his FG% is still better than Kemba’s, which is ridiculous.
 
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2021, 07:09:31 PM »

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Just so long as we don’t play like this when he returns, I’m willing to anoint him our saviour.

But I’ve seen us play terribly with him around too

yeah, the issue is bigger than Smart coming back.  We are def better with him, but it feels like it is an overall talent issue as well.
When we have guys like Semi, Waters, and Grant Williams all starting at various times it should be obvious we have a talent shortage.
None of those guys should be close to starting on a playoff level team.

The team certainly does have a lack of talent(and height), but eliminating the best passer and defender from the lineup exacerbates the issue. He’s shooting well this year and his ability to play multiple positions makes up for a good portion of the teams shortcomings. If the C’s can acquire a decent veteran wing player(Thad Young?) and some size at the PF/C position (hopefully over 6’8”...) plus get Smart back, they should be in really good shape .
No, he absolutely is not!

Well, he was at one point lol. Jesus, his 3pt% dropped like a rock. I misread and thought his 3pt% was 39.4%, but it’s actually his FG%. But anyway, his FG% is still better than Kemba’s, which is ridiculous.
It only takes Smart a game or two to completely fluctuate his shooting %s ;)

Yeah, Kemba has been ice cold. In fact, ice cold doesn't really cover it. Allen Iverson levels of efficiency, but about 10PPG less...
However, it's not Kemba's least efficient season!
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2021, 08:54:54 PM »

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Smart will come back, the team will start winning again, and lots of people here will still insult him every game.
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Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2021, 09:20:16 PM »

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Smart has played 17 games this year.

The Celtics are 9-8 with Smart in the line up. They are 4-5 without.

Having Smart back will certainly help but let’s not act like he’s the savior of all saviors.

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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2021, 09:46:48 PM »

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grossly underpaid!!!

Re: The value of Marcus Smart
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2021, 09:54:54 PM »

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Smart has played 17 games this year.

The Celtics are 9-8 with Smart in the line up. They are 4-5 without.

Having Smart back will certainly help but let’s not act like he’s the savior of all saviors.

It’s not going to solve all of their problems, but it would help quite a bit..Let’s not forget that the Celtics were 8-3 to begin the season with the Smart, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Thompson starting lineup for most games. Season started to go south as soon as Kemba came back. 
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.